Thin – not predictive text, lol, just my linguistic silliness – just checking out 5:2/the forum. Our old warrior is settling in reasonably well, thanks. Not real easy but OK.

It’s bringing up questions of how we handle our elderly years though. How long do we stay where we are etc. At least we will be going into those years as healthy as we can. How good it is that Dr Moseley and 5:2 came into our lives to teach us how to get our weight normal, learnnso much about our own individual responses to food, and give us the means to be confident we can handle our weight issues over time. It’s got payoffs in confidence and health that are awesome. I’ve even started recognising myself in shop windows when I catch sight …..you know what I mean.

Have a good day everyone. FD soup on the menu this evening.

Cinque, we usually have several self-sown tomato plants as I do a lot of composting – some of what I spread about probably isn’t quite ready. My OH’s mother used to call them ‘volunteers’ apparently. It’s hard to grow much where we live as it’s very sandy soil and the summers can be so baking hot & dry. So we mostly go for native, water-wise trees and shrubs and don’t grow many veggies. We do have a lime and an orange tree and lots of thriving herbs.

Merry, I think it’s good to think about such things. It’s better to be prepared and in control than having others make life decisions on your behalf. This is all good if you’re planning on sticking around in the same location but we will likely follow our DD so we can at least be on the same continent on which she eventually lands. This makes everything completely unknown but also a great adventure. Yes, joining you in toasting Dr M. for giving us what we all hope will be a longer and healthier life.

I forgot to mention that we followed a lone dolphin for 40 minutes on our walk this morning. Soul, a juvenile, was fishing close to the river bank, tossing fish in the air and generally enjoying life – or so it seemed. We hadn’t seen any for ages.

LJ, good for you for doing another FD today. It sounds like you had a nice evening even if it was a little more than you’d hoped to be eating. The roast cauliflower sounds tasty. Although it’s not funny, I did laugh about the man with diabetes being the only one to indulge in two desserts. I see the same when I go out for coffee. The very people who probably should keep walking past the cake display are the ones stopping to order.

We are the lucky ones – not only are we losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight, we’re also not getting larger with advancing decades like so many people around us. I saw one of my old faves, Michael Caine, in a movie last night – hardly recognised him – 5:2 for him.

Hoping the rest of your Monday FD goes to plan everyone. So worth it.

Hi everyone! It’s ages since I was here – I’ve still been doing 5:2, but now that I’m commuting for work each week, I seldom get to sit down and read this. That will change!

I’m pleased to report that I’ve lost 7.5 kg in the last 9 weeks following this way of life – 5:2 and walking 3-4 times a week. I’ve generally found the fast days really easy – except today, which is why I guess I’m back reading, gleaning tips and tricks, and general encouragement; it certainly is a great resource!

It’s also cooler tonight in Wellington (I work here, my home is in Auckland, where I live with my husband and two sons), and I hadn’t factored in the cold making me hungrier.

I hope everyone is having a great Monday! See you soon!

Hi Bay, not really for the length of time I’ve been at this! Ooops, sorry for my two long posts. A few glitches here.

Hi all,

Yesterday’s FD went well. Today I had a lovely lunch – a small bowl of the kasha & chickpea salad that I had made to take out to dinner on Sunday night and some felafel. Healthy foods that taste like a treat – that’s what I call having the best of both worlds.

My neck is giving me grief at the moment which I suspect is going to end in a migraine, I can feel the band of pain tightening around my head. I might lay down for a while this afternoon and see if giving my neck a break from having to support my head helps. I can’t fix the underlying neck issues as they are caused by the RA, but I usually can manage the problem with regular physio and remedial massage.

Have a good day.

P.S. Yes, Thin, loved reading of your dolphin friend ‘Soul’!

Cinque, glad you are feeling better!

Also, are others starting to experience more technical difficulties on this SH thread, like I am? Is this because our thread has become too byte laden? I’m pretty sure it was Jo Jo who had to abandon her thread at 16,000 posts due to increasing technical issues that she was advised were due to the sheer size of the thread. I know we’ve still go another 6,000 posts to catch up to the abandoned thread and that the Aussie Determination group reached 14,000 posts though no one has posted in that thread for a month either, so makes me wonder if we’ll have to consider re-starting a new thead sometime in the near future. Maybe this thread is starting to exhibit signs of technical cognitive decline?

Minka, yes, as mentioned above, I have encountered some strange happenings with my posts and those of others recently. In some ways, it would seem a shame to have to start again from the bottom of the list of ‘Most Popular’ posts, (Cinque would have to instruct me on how to find it readily). However I would support your proposal for what might seem a rather obscure reason. That being that I would love a new name for this thread which has never sat well with me. The main reason for this is the use of two exclamation marks which is one of my pet hates (like your disdain for predictive text Joffy). Two or more exclamation marks give no increased effect over one so they’re just irritating!!!!!! See what I mean?

I also don’t care for the word, ‘Hemispherites’. It’s used in various places on the internet but I can’t find it in any of my dictionaries which I think is why I find it so annoying. This thread was started so that people could chat with and support others from their own time zone. Since August 2014, I recall one person from Durban joining us and everyone else overwhelmingly being from Australia and NZ. So perhaps any new name, should we decide to move, and should we decide to change it, could reflect that?

Equally happy to just carry on as we are. Your resident pedant.

Evening all. After laying down for the afternoon the headache is easing a fair bit now thankfully.

I had zucchini slice ready to heat up for dinner but just wasn’t in the mood for it. I felt like vegemite toast and a cup of tea, so that’s what I had. I really enjoyed it, hadn’t had vegemite toast in ages.

Cinque I looked at one of the articles you linked and it reminded me of something I remember reading by Dr Krista Varaday. She was conducting research into using intermittent fasting for weight maintenance on the subjects who’d successfully lost weight through her alternate day fasting research. For maintenance, her trials moved people from alternate day fasting to a 4:3 pattern and instead of using 500 calories on FDs she used 1000 calories. One thing both Krista and Michael continued to include in their programs is at least one fasting period of 12 hours or more (overnight at start or end of FD). I guess this means that it’s the regular fasting periods each week and some level of calorie reduction that is important. If I can stay around 500 calories on FDs while losing weight I will, but I may try one of these less restrictive options when I get to maintenance and see which one suits me best as a long term eating pattern.

As to a new SH forum thread – I’m happy for us to start a new one if others want to. Just make sure the last post on this site tells us the name so I can still find it under “Active Topics”.

Hi,

Still here. Still following basic 5:2 WOL. Still losing 1/2 kg per week and body fat % is decreasing. Now below goal weight.

– Fast days Monday and Friday; single meal in the evening of poached salmon and mixed salad/steamed veges, piece of fruit, <400kCal

– Always fast at least 12 hours overnight on NFDs, from immediately after evening meal until breakfast.

– No longer eating white flour, pasta or rice; eat small amounts of barley, quinoa and home-made dark, seedy, nutty, grainy bread. (Sugar, cakes, biscuits and chocolate were never a problem, nor were snacks between meals.)

– Hula hoop every day for 10 minutes (for fun and cardio)

– Short free-weight session 4 or 5 days a week

– 15 minutes on Rebounder 3 or 4 days a week, incorporating 3×15 secs HIIT

– Yoga class one evening a week

– Out on my bike 5 or 6 mornings a week, cover between 25 and 30km most days.

All good.

Good morning all,
FD completed breath smells means I’ve been losing weight and am feeling good. A couple of soda waters with a slice of lime in them have been a nice addition on the hot days we are having (34C for the last week and this coming week) as water get a bit thin after drinking it at work all day trying to keep hydrated.

I have thought about the report on 800cals a day allowed in Dr.Mosley’s review and reminded myself this is first a way of helping your body repair itself with the side effect of weight loss so if he has done further research and says it works also I am all for it if it means more may stick with it. As people join in and see others on the forum doing less cals, once they get a month or two of fasting under their belt the new comers may reduce their cals naturally trying different things. If you remember the 4 day fast was the big reset of his blood sugars, etc. on the show but it had to be done every 4 weeks to keep the benefit up and that is why Dr.Mosley decided on the 5:2 way of fasting due to being more sustainable for a lifetime.

I haven’t had any problems with the site with uploading posts. I know Minka did and maybe Cinque? I remember seeing the forum list saying Cinque was the last post a while back and the post was not there. If the thread needs retiring and a new thread started so be it. There will have to be a line of final messages with the same form to let others know where to look on the forum list. As to finding the new thread I have only saved the forum list page as a favourite and due to the continued posting on this thread it is normally within 10 of the top of the list of last posted.
A new name for the thread is a tough one, it was started by others and left for us to look after so if it breaks we do get adjust things within it including tinkering with the name maybe “South Hems” or “Aus & NZ Fasters”. You could go with “11 hours before Greenwich” but newbies could have trouble understanding where we are from but I like the 11 hours thing which puts it in the middle of the Tasman Sea between Australia and New Zealand.

Well enough blabbing for today. Happy fasting today.

Meals for Thursday:
2 x white coffee’s 375kj, 500g minestrone 800kj, 100g kidney beans in the soup 400kj Total 1575kj or 376cals.

Hello all,

Perthgirl love your post…well done. I tried hoolahoop with my daughter & it was so much fun although i suspect i looked like a jellyfish out of water – my hips just couldnt get the right action.

Have been steady at 69.5 the last few days even though i havent had a fast day for over week. My days are Tues and Thurs as its easier while at work – i just cant manage it while im home. Last thurs went to the pub for tea so no point in a fast day there. Also went out to lunch on friday so again no point. With monday being a public holiday here in sa i totally forgot to fast yesterday.

Ive increased my exercise by taking the pooch for a walk most days on top of my usual 5 mins intense exercise bike, 5 mins weights, 5 mins stretch band & 5 mins on the stepper most mornings.

Ive noticed for a few weeks now that my double chin has vanished (they run in my family) and have just noticed my cheeks are slimmer. Losing weight off my hips was the first thing i noticed only after a few weeks of being on 5.2.

Home from work today. Had 3 glasses of red last night and ive noticed of late i dont sleep too well after a drink. I only managed to get 2 hrs sleep and feel absolutely exhaused this morning. Im thinking of cutting out alcohol altogether.

Back to serious fast days again starting tomorrow. Will feel good to get back on track.

Welcome Goldenheart. Thanks for posting a profile, quite a few of us are around your vintage. Where do you live (if you feel like saying)?

FD for me and I’ve been drinking my coffee with almond & coconut milk while reading the posts. The memorable points were PG doing the hula hoop, Joffy’s halitosis signalling ketosis and GDSA forgetting to fast, all of which made me laugh. Hula hooping sounds great fun but I fear I might also resemble GDSA’s description and it would have to be carried out in a private place.

Glad you’re feeling better now LJ. Enjoy that lunch. If we were to move, a final post on this thread with re-direction instructions would appear. People would still keep posting on it (see JoJo’s thread) so we’d have to re-post our final message now and again. I love the name, ‘Fat Busting Brits’ (except for the !!). It makes you think they’re really getting the job done. Despite the negative connotation, I also like the terms incorporating the word, ‘losers’.

Thinking more about Dr M’s revised 5:2 cal allowance and having read all your comments of approval, perhaps more emphasis should be placed on the quarter TDEE and removing the blanket 500/600cals. It seems to me that learning to go without food, eliminating snacking and the constant need to put something in your mouth along with the requirement to make every calorie count all help shape our portion control and food desires long-term. Adding that extra 200cal ‘lunch’ would seem to contradict all that and be giving in to the very problem that led most of us here in the first place. Not to mention making a bit of a mockery of the term ‘fasting’.

I wonder if I feel a little antagonistic about this because, with every new book and new ‘diet’, it seems to further undermine the premise of the original 5:2 just a little bit more. I suppose what I want is for Dr M. to validate that 5:2 works and perhaps glean further information from the scores of people practicing it. The articles suggest that even 5:2’s most ardent adherents find it hard to stick to. I strongly dispute this. I and many others found FDs easy from the very first day, it’s the NFDs that need attention.

A final note to ponder – antarctic outdoor workers are required to eat 6000cals a day just to stay warm!

It’s later, so here I am again…

Welcome, Goldenheart! I too started 5:2 in my 59th year and am so glad I did! I reached maintenance a couple months after turning 60 and with the support of this thread and forum, I’ve happily continued ever since and now consider it a way of life.

Good to hear from you Perthgirl and that you’ve been doing so well! Loved reading of your hoola hooping, rebounding and yoga! How I wish I could be out cycling too.

I’m impressed with anyone who hoolahoops GDSA. No wonder you lost off your hips first! I can’t say that happened for me. …I’m a dog lover. What type of pooch do you have?

Lol! Joffy, continuing on with catching up on posts, I realize you fasted yesterday! I hadn’t realized that breath smells indicated weight loss! I’ll let Mr. M. know that! Your name for this forum could be fitting for me figuring out when others have actually posted, though agree that newbies probably wouldn’t understand.

Cinque, I so understand how others’ moods can sometimes be more draining than physical exertion. I’m hoping that though your passenger’s defenses were strong that somehow the seeds you planted will someday sprout.

What I question about the revised 700 – 800 calorie 5:2 is whether or not it will reap the same health benefits, meaning those that are a side benefit of actual fasting, or severe caloric restriction, beyond weight loss. So, will the new plan still help prevent breast cancer? Will it still help delay onset mental decline or Alzheimer’s/dementia? I’d always thought that the these specific benefits were only related to the more severe caloric reduction since our body then goes around mopping up mutated genes and conducts extra house cleaning of sorts in a way that doesn’t take place with calorie reduction that is spread out more evenly through the week.

…Though as you pointed out Joffy, I can understand Dr. M. wanting to cast his net even wider and invite those to return who just couldn’t tolerate the level of hunger 500 calorie fasting requires or for those who fear hunger and never tried in first instance. That BBC documentary some of us watched entitled “Weight Loss Ward” where numerous patients were undergoing gastric reduction surgery, it was cited that if the trajectory of obesity continues unabated in the UK that within a couple of decades the whole current NHS budget will be required to meet the demand for bariatric surgery. So maybe Dr. M. is really attempting to help turn this around so is attempting to appeal to an even wider audience?

LJ the plan you mentioned about Dr. Krista Varaday’s maintenance program was very interesting. I’m not sure I completely understood it, though sounds worth looking into, out of interest.

Hi Cinque (and other SHs)

With a BMI of 20.4 and a current weight of 59.x kg (a number I haven’t seen since my mid-teens, more than 50 years ago) I don’t really have a new weight goal. However, I do have a body fat % goal of 25.x%, it was 30.4% when I started 5:2 in late February and is currently 26.2%.

We are going on a 2000km cycle touring/camping holiday to Germany and Holland in May-June and I want to start the holiday with as high a level of ‘healthiness’ as I can achieve.

Meals on holiday will involve carbs (in the form of pasta and rye bread) as we have a limited repertoire of foods that we can cook in a single saucepan on a single burner camping stove (we cook all our meals from scratch using locally sourced food). However, eating like this whilst cycling >60km a day usually sees us returning home a couple of kgs lighter than when we start 🙂

After the holiday, we will replace our second fast day each week with a 16:8; so our planned maintenance will be 6:1 with at least one 16:8 day. For both of us this will be a sustainable WOL as the only real changes we have had to make were to remove pasta, rice and white flour from our previous flexitarian diet, and do two fast days a week (lots of water with lemon slices, green tea, fruit teas and black coffee during the day).

Our fast days will continue to be under 400/500 cals – 1/4 of our TDEE – as my understanding of the science is that this level of calorie deficit puts our bodies into ‘repair mode’ for a few hours. I haven’t seen any science reports, yet, to support the proposed, new ‘800 cals’, but if it helps more people with weight loss and improved health it can only be beneficial.

For those already achieving their goals with 5:2 Version 1 – “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.

Val

Third post for Wednesday. Aren’t I the chatty one today?!

LJ …Food for thought about the Krista Varaday plan. Thank you for posting the links. Interesting that Varaday actually knocks 5:2 as unsubstantiated in the first link you posted. She doesn’t go with the premise that the health benefits of her mice study convert over to benefiting those on 5:2. Hmm. Am I on the wrong program? Then again, I’m in maintenance and so is there evidence that her mice continue to reap brain benefits on the maintenance plan of 1000 calories on her AD maintenance plan?

In any case, like you, I tend to binge and find 500 the perfect reset after struggling with the throes of a binge. So from that respect, 5:2 as is works for me perfectly.

In reviewing Dr. M’s quips about the “updated” 24 hour 700-800 calorie 5:2 plan, I’m concerned by his use of the word ‘seems’ and ‘almost’. He says in referring to the calories a male would consume, “You don’t need to stick to 600 calories. Cutting down to 800 calories a day seems to be almost as effective and for some people much more ‘doable’.”

Hi GDSA! Good for you for adopting a rescue dog. I’m assuming she’s very grateful for her new home. Your homemade pasta sounds delicious especially with the two fillings. I’m picturing you there in your kitchen with your pasta maker and can’t make out whether you’re busy with canneloni or ravioli?

I promise that this will be the last post for the day and since I start my school and work week tomorrow, you may not hear from me for awhile!

All those interested in this 5:2 revision and discussion around it and health consequences, weight loss prospects and Varaday’s way, here’s a bit more gossip on the Varaday/Mosley philosophical divide and about how Varaday handles those who reach plateau when practicing ADF. See the first post on this link for the low down:

https://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/my-alternate-day-fasting-experiment-no-thank-you/

Kudos to the GDSA family for adopting rescue dogs. The deeper our DD gets into the clinical aspects of her vet science training, the more it becomes apparent that breeding dogs is not a great idea regardless of whether the breeder is considered reputable. It’s not just the brachycephalics that are plagued with disease, deformity and complications.

Have I told you S.A. posters about the dingo x that adopted us while camping around Australia? We found her in Victor Harbour, a bag of nervous bones. We called her Vicki. She wouldn’t come anywhere near us so we threw food to her as she was clearly starving. After a few days, as we were leaving, she jumped into our campervan through the driver’s window and sat on the console between our seats ready to go. We had no home at that time as we were new to Australia and were travelling around for six months but we made it work. After the first night camping with her in the van, we opened the door to let her out and, after the dust settled, we realised that she’d chased and killed a rabbit! That dog remained our loyal and wonderful pet for 15 years and she’s buried in our front garden. Hurray, for the ever-grateful rescued mutt!

Now where’s my earlier post got to? I’m hesitant to re-state what I said earlier for fear of annoying people with spam-like doubles but I’d like to join in the conversation. Perhaps it’s just a natural way of getting me to shut up. So, back to the garden.

Thinatlast what a beautiful heartwarming story about Vicki. Weve had our current dog for 6 years now and my older dog who passed away 2 years ago we had for 13 years. The one who is in doggy heaven will always hold a special place in my heart – we had a connection that i am unable to put into words. I am certainly in favour of rescue dogs rather than pedigree.

Homemake Ravioli tonight was nice but i much prefer my Canneloni.

Goldenheart you will love Michael Mosley’s book. I devoured it over 2 nights after waiting eagerly for about 3 weeks for it to arrive in the mail. The Fast Exercise is a great read too.

Back into fast day regime tomorrow.

Good evening everyone,
So glad your post turned up Thin! Yes I like to edit my posts too, as they often need a bit of fixing once I can read the whole thing, and that is when the trouble starts!

Welcome Goldenheart! What a gorgeous name!

Lovely to hear the dog stories!

Antipodean! I knew there was a word for us I had forgotten!

Ooo home made pasta Gday! the best!

Joffy I looked up about bad breath and ketosis when someone was asking about it on another forum. It takes more than two days of severe fasting to reach ketosis, but it is much easier to get bad breath on a 5:2 type fast day because the bacteria in our mouths are not being kept down by saliva since we are not chewing (which produces saliva) and also if we are a bit dehydrated.
This does mean bad breath is still a sign of some good fasting! 😉

I’ve also been thinking about the new take on fast days. I posted one of the articles on the reddit 5:2 forum and the only comment was “Oh ok I get it. He needs to sell a new book.” (Very cynical)
And I am a bit annoyed we didn’t hear about it on this site first. It is the official 5:2 site after all.
I am also aware that (as someone mentioned in a post a few days ago) we are still waiting on the research about 5:2 longterm benefits.
But the only info we have is a couple of newsy articles, and it isn’t really enough to go on. As you said Minka!

LJoyce, I am still playing around with maintenance. I have a feeling that what suits me best is an 800 day on Wednesday and a 500 day on Sunday. But I need more time to find out.

My fast day is over! Or will be when I break my fast in the morning! I have my sister from Swan Hill visiting tomorrow and Friday so that will be such a treat!

best wishes everyone!

Hi there!

I am conducting a research on the effect of intermittent fasting on mood as part of my final year dissertation.

The participation for this study involves the completion of 3 short questionnaires while fasting for a period of 12 hours.
You are free to choose the date and time you will be fasting, I would recommend choosing a rest day.
(I need 50 of them)
You could for instance start fasting at 7am and break your fast at 7pm and have your breakfast and dinner and need to only skip lunch.

If any of you are interested in participating and contributing to the results of this study please click on the link below! If the results are interesting I intend on publishing my study.

I will truly appreciate your participation 🙂

https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_3dwO574aCRDccL3

Thanks a lot!

I would love to hear your thoughts after you have completed the study! So please let me know by contacting me at the following email address: u1245810@uel.ac.uk

Good morning fellow fasters,
On a FD today and just knocked down my morning white coffee and now looking at what’s to come, black coffee, water, soda water and soup. Doesn’t sound to inspiring though tomorrow when looking back it will be inspiring. Is that a minus equaling a plus?

Cinque and Minka, my noting of “bad breath means weight loss” was just meaning the noticeable sign of bad breath in the morning normally would mean I have been fasting. I don’t believe I had gone into ketosis, I believe that the morning after a FD my breath is more noticeable to me. I thought it might be the empty stomach leaching a small amount of gases? up as I have my meal late for dinner normally around 8.30pm and lots of water and some soda water which is washing my mouth out all day.

I put on an old pair of shorts that had stopped fitting me a couple of years ago for some unknown reason and yesterday mysteriously fit properly again. My wardrobe is getting bigger by the month now.

I must say I have not done measuring of myself because I am a bloke and we don’t do things like that, except when getting a new suit. I know I have lost dimensions in all area’s most noticeably >(obviously word of the day) from my backside but I am now getting fearful of losing it. I know it is because I am not doing hard running or bike riding to get the muscles back to give it shape, this is one of the little fears men go through as they get older going with grey hair turning up, hair from the ears and nose and our backsides disappearing.

Off to get my eyes checked and new glasses which is, good for a new look, or bad as it is probably going to cost me $400ish if I remember.

Happy fast day all, I think I will go have a glass of water.

Cinque- hope today is much cooler for you, and not too humid.

Minka- it is so lovely to hear the confidence in your voice now from when you first started. Awesome result, and wonderful to have been there while you went through your 5:2 journey to maintenance. Enjoy those next few weeks and till September(?) even though it will be so busy.

Re the other big southern thread, somethibg Downunder, (just doing a blank memory thing) you know the one, I think the longtermers decamped and went to a closed facebook group of their own. I’m happy to stay on here and help the newbies.

Re-reading all the posts of yesterday and realised that I completely missed large chunks of various posts – including the part in which, Minka, you mention ‘Antipodean’. And there I was taking all the credit! And ha ha to the Chinese Monkey!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks also for pointing out that we can go to Active Topics to find a new thread.

GDSA, there’s nothing worse than the loss of a beloved pet. I know what you mean about the special bond. My DD and I cried for a week when we had to put Vicki down. Do you know Victor Harbour? I’m sure like everywhere, it’s changed a lot in 25 years. We didn’t get another dog, instead we boarded others’ dogs from overnight to 4 months at a time. We got to know a lot of different breeds through that process. Nowadays our DD sometimes brings greyhounds home from uni at weekends. The uni rescues them from the racing industry, uses them for students to study anatomy and then they get re-homed where they can retire in comfort which is a lovely end to a horrible career. They make great pets for inactive people – 50mph couch potatoes!

Joffy, what a picture you paint of the ageing man. My OH would say you’re lucky to have any hair to turn grey. I bet if you just measure your waist in secret, you’ll have plenty to sing about. We won’t tell anyone. Looking forward to hearing of your progress in kgs.

LJ, glad you had a good lunch and stuck to your menu choices by the sounds of it.

Cinque, I agree with your comments about ‘5:2 revised’. I’d like Dr M. to validate what’s been/being achieved by thousands of people – all the evidence is right here on this official site. Concur with you too Merry. I think the evidence lies in the fact that, years on, many of us are still a work in progress when it comes to NFDs. That’s because we don’t have the restriction imposed upon us. Slackening that discipline on the FDs doesn’t serve any purpose in my view. I can see a value in a higher FD cal allowance for obese people as long as it’s adjusted to their TDEE as they lose. Then again, I’m not writing the books.

Hi Scared. Don’t be. Welcome to our thread. As you see, there is plenty of discussion on anything and everything here. Many of us had never read, let alone contributed to, a forum before this one. And I have now even met several people from this thread. Make sure you work out the calories in the food you’re eating on your FDs. It’s a bit of a chore at first but most of us found it quite an eye opener. I love Indian food and know that a lot of the veg. dishes can include a lot of carbs. Get those FDs sorted and the rest will come. Good luck to you!

Hi again Scared! So glad you made it to this thread.
I am remembering how first I found my clothes more comfortable, and that felt like success! But then I’d notice something was quite loose, and that was really exciting! And then I would realise it was so loose I couldn’t wear it any more! I didn’t always notice a change every week, but certainly every few weeks.
It didn’t seem like a steady loss at the time, but looking back it does!

I love Indian Vegetarian food! I was a vegetarian for a long time and when I discovered Indian Vegetarian cuisine, I was in heaven! I still think rice and dal is the most wonderful simple, comforting, delicious dish!

Good luck with that calorie counting, I find it hard too, but I just looked up ingredients and things until I felt confident that I wasn’t going over on fast days, and then I stopped!

Merry the weather here has been so easy and pleasurable. The garden has revived, and so have I! It was cool last night and just gorgeous this morning.
I am still struggling quite a bit CFS wise, just have to keep doing the good things. I hope things are better for you now or, if they aren’t, that they soon will be.
You are right about the confidence in Minka’s voice. Isn’t it lovely!

Joffy, I’m another one who has lost my bum. It’s a wonder I can sit down!
I should have known you’d be up on the bad breath/ketosis knowledge. Congrats on fitting into those shorts! A lovely benchmark.
Enjoy your new glasses, I’ll bet they will be well worth the money spent. (Note to self: make optometrist appt)

Intesha, so glad to see your post. It sounds like you had the perfect storm and I am just glad you didn’t suffer from your binge. It is the best sign when binges become smaller and further apart, and easily recovered from. It makes them just about normal.
Good luck with the prac part of your course. I hope you are paired with someone you can really enjoy.
And good luck with the next cake decorating adventure!
And I hope the rain has stopped!

Best wishes everyone, it is my lull day! Cheers to the Friday fasters!

Hi all,
I meant to re-post the food tables for Scared and others to help with calorie counting.
http://www.weightloss.com.au/diet/food-nutrition-tables/food-tables.html

They are very comprehensive but do help when starting.

Ha I see Cinque popped up whilst I was posting obviously a faster typist than myself and with some great points too.

Off for bacon and eggs now.