Ooo…Wi! Very Eurocentric statement re magnets! 😉😉
We read Fung’s epistles religiously. My gut feeling (😊😂) has always been that shorter, regular fasts better mirror our evolutionary path. P
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Morning/evening all,
Day 2 of food free fasting.
Yesterday was much easier that I had anticipated and I slept really well. Let’s hope today goes as smoothly.
Wiwi, everything I’ve read on the subject specifies Intermittent Fasting as being the answer to getting our bodies into the best shape we can so I guess the 4 x 7 days is more effective than 1 x 30 for all the reasons stated by Mosley, Fung et al.
I would not even contemplate a 30 day fast. I’m sure I could do it but Iwould be so unhappy. The physical process of eating and the pleasure it gives would be missed too much and I would be miserable.
Having done a 4 day fast I know 7 would be doable.
Have a good one everybody 😜
I’ve just read Fung’s blog and he says that 4 x 7 day fasts are almost as effective as 1 x 30 days but much safer.
I find it amazing that people are daft enough to try a 30 day water fast with no experience of fasting and without medical supervision and also retreats for those who want to pay to do so can be set up without being regulated or legally obliged to ensure that medical supervision is provided.
So dangerous.
Food free FD no 2 nearly done.
I am going to bed early as I’m up at 3.30am for a tennis match before going to the gym.
I’m fasting again tomorrow as last Friday’s fast was delayed until Sunday. I’m also aiming to be really strict on non FDs this week as it is my birthday on Saturday and I need to lose some weight every week between now and my holiday.
Hi Lizzi,
I hope that now you’ve stopped lurking we’ll hear from you more often 🙂
It’s no good Jo! I’m afraid you’ve implanted a mental image of yourself travelling in rags and tatters, don’t fall asleep or you risk being mistaken for a tramp 😀
Seriously though, I’m sorry to read about your back troubles. I know how disabling, debilitating and depressing it can be. Good luck with getting it resolved.
Jo, will I see your daughter in the Round the Bays run (walk for me!) next month? Hope your improvement is continuing.
Welcome, Lizzi. I lurked on the thread for quite a while before I broke in the conversation that these old hands are enjoying. But new faces are always welcome, it’s great to know that the message is spreading.
No doubt it was Kyle Edmund you were getting up for, Amazon? Well done, him, into the semis. Did I mention that second son is the lead technical advisor for the Australian Open website this year? After doing it forever, IBM pulled out, and his firm won the contract. He’s now obliged to stay until the end, as his boss has injured himself on his European holiday – can’t imagine what the daughter-in-law is saying as she juggles one child in vacation care, one in daycare, and a full-time job.
Morning/evening all,
Just out of bed after an early siesta to rest after the exhaustion of 4 exhilarating sets of tennis.
Kyle is playing so well this year but I fear he’ll come back to earth with a bump on Thursday when he finds himself standing on the other side of the net from Rafael Nadal.
Jo, you must get a proper diagnosis for your recurring back issue so it can be treated.
Thanks for the birthday wishes, I know I’ll enjoy it.
I’m going to a North African restaurant for dinner with friends. It is a firm favourite. It is like walking into a souk, with brass plates and North African artwork on the walls, beautiful intricate metalware typical of N Africa decorating the tables and brilliantly coloured fabrics decorated with gold and silver thread and sequins covers the ceiling like a huge quilt.
The food is invariably delicious and the service is friendly.
Back to the present, I’m on my 3rd consecutive food free FD. When I got uo at 330 I weighed myself and I did so again when I got up at 9.30 and I weigh 1.5lbs less!
I was also feeling really hungry earlier but it has passed and the movement on the scales has encouraged me to see this fast through without eating.
I’ve had a pain in the back of my knee since Christmas. I’ve been using anti inflammatory gel and a knee support to no avail so I gave that up on Saturday. I got up this morning and the pain has gone, and come to think of it my thumbs have stopped hurting.
Coincidence??????
Have a good one everybody 😜
You shouldn’t be looking at doing any more exercise until you’ve got a definitive diagnosis and a treatment plan for your back. You can dance and play bowls when it’s better. As for core strength a more gentle approach such as regular Pilates would be a much more sensible option, with a view to weights classes of any description once you’ve made a significant improvement to your core strength.
Hi all,
Apologies for long silence, extremely busy with granny duties at present. Eldest son, his wife and toddler are staying with us between sale and purchase of their homes and its been a bit chaotic. A 16 month old really thinks the world revolves around their every whim and although I am delighted to have her staying, she is full-on! I have been giving her parents some time-out which they greatly appreciate, but I am worn out every night! I am not complaining, just explaining my tardy posting. Fasting sort of fallen over at present, but avoiding eating baby leftovers and crusts and very active, so not too concerned!
Sorry to read about your painful back Jo….what Amazon said! I hope you get the referrals you need and slow down enough to allow some healing.
Well done on your great efforts Amazon, you will be rewarded on those lovely new scales. I have had glimpses of the tennis, but Miss Chloe much prefers to be outside! Summer is in full swing here and my main “sporting” activities have centred around the paddling pool!
RT you really have been ‘born again’ …. I cant believe you are meat free at present and I look forward to your assessment of it! We have just ordered a new BBQ and am anticipating more outdoor cooking…just too hot to turn on the oven at present!
Yes Barata I have been deliberately staying mum and keeping a straight face with no comment in regards to undies/knicker’s/pants minimal clothes wet hair new knickers old knickers falling panties and pre-5-2 bras Gee Whizz life is not without its challenges I can assure you 😉
It is my intention to continue on meat free until Australia day but there is a small part of me like Amazon that actually believes I can function quite well without it. 💡
Well done to you Amazon food free fast days is such a deeply personal achievement and once the process has been completed successfully one wonders what all the fuss is about.
Nama yes it is true I will report back next week I will have some really interesting observations as a self-experimenter to share however I have
Blown the families minds completely 😯 and a meeting has been called because Dads gone quite mad & peculiar 😆
“and a meeting has been called because Dads gone quite mad & peculiar”
Have they only just noticed……………🤣🤣🤣
My long term plan is a veg based diet with meat or fish/seafood when I really want it rather than buying it out of habit and when I go out for dinner and discover the veg option is an after thought 😶
Due to social arrangements last week I ended up doing 3 consecutive food free FDs.
I didn’t find it too difficult but today was definitely the hardest day mainly because I got up at 3.30am to watch tennis and my stomach was grumbling very loudly. Once that passed all was well.
I’m very much looking forward to eating something tomorrow.
IMO it is more of a psychological issue as not eating 3 times per day is the opposite of everything we’ve been told for as long as we can remember, and we are here because we all like food and eating rather too much.
Not eating on FDs is definitely doable on a regular basis so that is my plan from now until goal is finally reached. And as you say, what was all the fuss about 🙂
Hi RT:
My children are at least raising their eyebrows. I currently have a pot of cabbage soup simmering on the stove, complete with tomatoes, potatoes, onions, garlic and parsley that were first sauteed in olive oil. And eating fish two or three times a week is also a basic change for me (I love and ate fish, but not that often).
The Longevity Diet has caused me to reconsider my diet. For decades, based on my research and observation, I have been a proponent of the LCHF diet. While the Longevity Diet and the LCHF diet are not mutually exclusive by any means (I am having trouble eating to the recommended level of fats allowed), I have been forced to reconsider the types of fats I have been eating and the amount of protein in my diet.
While I have never been a fan of trans fats and ‘vegetable’ oils, I have believed natural animal fats were OK. I am now reconsidering. And it appears protein is like food in general – it is amazing how little the body needs to both maintain muscle mass and build new muscle, just as it is amazing how little food the body needs to maintain a healthy weight.
The Longevity Diet and Dr. Goldhamer’s SOS diet are similar, but disagree on the ‘O’ part. Also, the Longevity diet does not really address salt. In addition, on Longevity you can eat rice, potatoes and pasta (not to mention alcohol).
Dr. Longo points out that nutritional knowledge is changing rapidly with the rise of microbiology and the tools that have allowed it to progress. So future changes to what might be the ‘best’ kind of diet for humans are likely. But right now I am pretty convinced that the Longevity Diet represents the current high point in nutritional research.
Time will tell, and live and learn!
Take care.
Hi Simcoeluv I agree 100% I have been intrigued by some great presentations that I have watched recently that has sparked some self-reflection namely the doco film on Netflix called forks over knives
https://www.forksoverknives.com/
and I watched a youtube presentation by Dr Gregers
Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death here
If you have not seen this “it’s a must”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
He is also the author of the book with a very catchy title of
How not to die 💡 whole foods plant based
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. Albert Einstein
Peace RT
Hi RT:
I watched the Leading Causes of Death video. It carries a strong message. Dr. Longo’s research formed the basis for some of his points, and the Longevity Diet pretty well takes into account all of the points of the video.
I posted this TEDx/Longo presentation on another thread, but I post it here for those that don’t scout around the site. The Longevity Diet has two parts – food and fasting. This short video addresses why fasting is so important in the diet – sort of like a fountain of youth: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tedxtalk+valter+longo&view=detail&mid=EB50A882798904571C8FEB50A882798904571C8F&FORM=VIRE
By the way, my soup was excellent and I really had nothing to do with how good it tasted – just put a bunch of veggies in water and boil. Not the kind of cooking I’m used to doing, but, I think, the kind of cooking I will be doing more of!
Hi Jo,
You might prefer yoga to Pilates, but I’m afraid Pilates is widely acknowledged to be kinder and more beneficial for people with back issues.
In terms of what to expect/ hope for from your doctor. X-rays are next to useless for most back trouble. They may reveal disc compression or abnormalities, but that doesn’t automatically equate to back pain. And to be honest, from what you say, I would be surprised if you are a case for an MRI scan on the NHS. Your GP is not qualified to interpret a scan in any case, and it doesn’t sound like you really need to be seeing an orthopaedic consultant/ considering surgery yet (which is obviously where MRI scans are useful). You have repeated episodes with your back, as do millions, but you aren’t permanently disabled by it, and you manage the episodes with pain relief, rest and light exercise. You’re apparently seeing a physiotherapist, who will be better able to help you than your GP. Do the exercises, walk lots, avoid activity that causes the flare ups, avoid sitting down for long periods, invest in some lumbar supports and aids. From my recent experience over the last two years, it’s as much about taking personal responsibility and helping yourself as it is expecting some sort of miracle from a doctor.
Simco and RT,
Well, I think I’ve seen it all now! Two men who have apparently been hardened meat eaters and who have both posted that humans can get everything they need from eating animal products… now eating vegetables 😀
Thanks both for the links and info. I don’t think Longo’s book is out in the UK yet, but I will be interested to see how his diet varies from my own.
Moring/evening all,
Jo,
You missed my point so I’ll put it in a more straightforward manner and hope I don’t cause offence because I’m really concerned you’ll make your back worse rather than better and I’m speaking from experience having finally overcome more than 30 years of barely a day without back pain.
You are over 60, overweight and have an ongoing issue with your back. You lead an active life but none of the activities you do including your weekly yoga, appear to be helping your back but making it worse so you need to take a step back from everything and take a different approach if you want your back to get better and stay that way.
As I said before, get a definitive diagnosis and have whatever treatment necessary then think about what you need to do to get your back in better shape and keep it that way.
It is obvious that your core strength is the place to start and after all the issues you’ve had you need to start with something gentle. Weights do not fit into that category. Hopefully you will be referred for some physiotherapy which will give you a start on the road to a healthier back but jumping into the deep end of something your back isn’t strong enough for isn’t the answer and it might be worth investing in one-to-one tuition with an experienced physical trainer rather than going to a class where it is impossible for the teacher to keep an eye on everyone to ensure they are doing things properly.
shannon,
I am the only person who has mentioned fasting 3 days per week so I’m wondering if you are referring to me.
I have lost a lot of weight doing just that and it works fine. People vastly over estimate the contribution of exercise in weight loss. Caloric restriction is 90% reponsible for weight loss and exercise 10%. Working out in a gym for an hour only burns up 500 calories. I know that because I’ve been going to the gym regularly for several years. It tones my body, makes it more flexible and makes me feel good, but it doesn’t make a significant difference to weight loss.
You said it yourself in your advice “eat less” and that is the most important factor in losing weight. Choosing to fast 3 days per week is an excellent option.
Miserable day here, wet with winds so strong people in the street are fighting to stay upright. I’ll be working out at home today as I’ve no intention of going out in such foul weather.
simco,
thanks very much for your info and links. I shall take a look at them later.
RT is our guinea pig, he tries something out and we all learn from him 😉
Talking of guinea pigs, they are a delicacy in Ecuador………..😧
Have a good one everybody 😜
Hi again,
It took me so long to write that post that Happy and RT posted in between your post and mine.
I had so much to say that I forgot to mention that medical imaging might not be the answer but they should be able to eliminate certain conditions.
This might sound crazy but have you had your bone density checked? It is a long way down the list of reasons why you might be experiencing such problems but it might be worth ruling depleted bone density out.
Happy,
Longo’s book is out in the Uk on Feb 8th and available for pre-order on the website of the company that copied my name 🙂
Time for me to get the exercise mat out and get moving 🙂
I think it is very important to strike a balance between what is the healthiest diet, our beliefs and convictions and what we enjoy eating.
I have no desire to give up eggs, milk and milk products. I would be absolutely miserable without cheese and I don’t want to become a miserable old g*t but live a long, healthy and HAPPY life.
I am completely with you Amazon. I too would be miserable without certain foods. I have realized that sugar was the main culprit in my previous diet and thankfully fasting has enabled me to overcome the hold it had on me in the past. I dont eat great chunks of meat, but it remains an enjoyable and important part of my diet. I enjoy far more nuts and seeds than previously but they will never replace meat for me. I await with great anticipation the outcome of RTs experiment!
Enjoy your birthday celebrations!
Jo,
My comment wasn’t directed at you but an expression of the fact that all of us need to remember that life is never without a degree of compromise and we need to find a balance between doing what we believe is best for ourselves (and our loved ones) and what is doable.
I believe Nama was responding to my comment regarding finding a balance in our diets by telling us what works for her.
I’ve caught up on all of the tennis, done some chores, worked out and had a shower so it is now time to break my fast. I have a small plate of cheese, olives, nuts and some of the leftover Christmas chorizo which will be followed by the last of the squash soup. My mouth is watering…………. 😃
Hi:
I posted this on another link some time ago. It seems there is some interest among people on this thread. It is an interview with Dr. Longo. Long and technical, he covers eating windows, cancer and MS results with his fasting mimicking diet. He points out that the power of the fasting lies in the breakdown of various body parts and the subsequent rebuilding of the body (the TEDx talk info). He said that does not occur with short, eating window type fasts. He explained that he was unable to get doctors and patients to fast, so he developed the diet. Now many doctors and patients are using it with apparently great results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PyyatqJSE
If you have the time, its worth it. Much of the information is in the book, but I found it worthwhile to review it after I read the book, and picked up quite a bit of helpful information.
Enjoy!
Hello,
Happy Birthday Amazon 🎂
Jo I am thinking you know how far your body can go. I know your brain is restless. Full schedule that is always.
For some reason and the advent of algorithms Facebook feed come up with the latest from Dr Valter Longo today as you were talking about.
Thanks for all the resources from you 2 vegan Guys 😘
The weather is beautiful here! I started slowly some weight and strength training from my old videos. We’ll see how my body accepts it. No pushing beyond extra. That shoulder still showing personality.
Hi to all other hard working fellow Fasters 😘
Hi Fast Trackers and Hello World (You All know Who You ARE) 😉
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Have A Happy Weekend All You beautiful Losers 😆
and
Happy Australia Day to my Aussie comrades.
Peace RT
Morning/evening all,
Saturday morning here with mild weather but slightly overcast skies.
I’ve managed 4 food free FDs this week and stayed in control on non FDs, declined cake twice 😇 and am pleased to report a 5lb loss in the last 2 weeks. Very low carb and no alcohol (which often leads to unplanned eating) have helped.
I’m having a more relaxed day today and then nose back to the grindstone tomorrow.
Egg and avocado on toast for brunch and out for dinner tonight which I’m looking forward to.
Have a good one everybody 😜
Hi Jo,
Well I would have been relieved to see no kraken (legendary giant sea monster) but disappointed to see no cranachan (raspberry, oatmeal, whisky, cream) on the menu!
I don’t agree with your doctor, that your back will be healed in 6 weeks, if it is disc damage. Discs have no blood supply so are slow to repair. Also, when you hurt your back, your muscles go into protective mode around the injury, and other muscles compensate, and you can develop some scar tissue, and the muscles then don’t necessarily ever work in pre-injury mode even when the damaged disc is better without retraining. Once the worst is over, in a few weeks, it might be worth booking a session with a good physiotherapist just to check that your muscles are working properly. It’s quite common to end up with gluteal amnesia after a bad back, and hence permanent weakness 😩
Amazon,
Good work on the weight loss! Have a great day today. You deserve to let your hair down a little! I’ll raise a glass to you later 🥂🎂
Well it’s damp and dark here today. We had a lovely sunny day yesterday (probably the only one in January!), but it always seems to be the way that the best weather falls during the working week. OH has got a 🐝 in his bonnet about decluttering the 🏠 though, so I’m taking advantage of the poor weather for a clear out. Trying to be ruthless…but maybe this or that will come in handy…!
Actually I’m feeling lighter already – I’ve had several inches of hair chopped off this morning. Not even enough for a ponytail now, can’t remember the last time it was this short!
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