Morning/evening all.

So sad to hear Wee, hugs to you both.

It’s time I got back off the doldrums wagon and hopped back on the fasting one … still feeling a little off colour due to sinus pain but that will ease as the day goes on 😀

Have to run as I’m running a little behind time today … will catch up with all you lovely people soon (hopefully tonight 😀 )

Cheers, AO 😆

Obviously Jojo isn’t going in the “naughty corner” Nama. Her poem has redeemed her! Good one, Jojo.
Well Smiffy? P 🙂

Wee, so sorry to hear your sad news. Thinking of you and OH xx

AO I have said this before but please try it . Chew raw onions . They are great for coughs colds and sinus xx

Jojo love the poem pal . I hope you manage to get a good sleep tonight xx

Wee xx

☆ Gold star Smiffy
Next…the 5:2 Book of Poetry! 🙂

Wee
Thinking of you and Mr Wee and your loss. Like you, we are a close family and try to be there for each other.
Bay xx

Thanks RT. Thoughtful comments. My husband actually is a marshmallow (tho he only shows it to family), I think he is just apprehensive, as he has seen me lose a lot of weight in the past only to regain it. Both my sons have been raised with a lot of affection, the eldest is very relaxed showing it and the youngest is quite shy – but give him a drink and he is all over you! This is improving as he grows up and becomes more comfortable in his skin. Men really are from Mars. But I love Martians! Sorry to hear your son was hurt so badly, I hope he finds the right girl one day. I am sure she is out there.

Jojo – you troublemaker! GO TO SLEEP!

Tasa
Truth? My first three attempts at 600 cals failed.

For the first few months I was very interested in the scale. Just to see that it was working. But in hindsight it was making journal entries into what foods helped me get through the fast days better than others.
For me it was beans. 300 cals at noon and 300 cals at 5pm. Then going to early.
That is made intermittent fasting such a keeper for me.
I could use foods that work for me on my schedule. The eat normally the next morning.
A few months into it and the weight losses slowed, so I had gotten used to the fast days, after getting very good at them started more focus into feed days, putting healthy nutrition dense foods on the feed days.

So it’s like a series of low hurdles , picking up on info and by trial finding what works, but not stressing over what doesn’t . I know for a fact , I’m one of only a few that can thrive on 600 cals of beans. And love every bit of it. That’s the great thing about 5:2. Everyone has the flexibility to find what works for them personally . I believe most beginners do well eating much carbs the night before and eating more protein the day of the fast. But after getting used to the portion sizes. Follow the recommendations in the book.
I find them spot on for the long term.

I’ll never go back to uncounted calorie gluttony. That’s who I used to be. I forgive my past! I know now I can lose fat 1 week at a time wether 5:2 , 4:3, ADF , or CRON/CRAN .
As long as do what is doable as often as I can it adds up over time. So far I’ve transformed from 274 to 201lbs in two years. And I’ll just keep on keepin on.

Best wishes.

Hi Sam
You talk about gluten free products. Gluten free flours are still high in calories and give an insulin spike.
The issue with breads seems to be far more related to the modern highly processed flours and the fast acting yeasts. People have developed gluten intolerance due to the fast rising of bread. When slowly rising, natural yeasts consume, or break down, much of the gluten, leaving the remaining gluten more digestible for most people. That is why I switched to making my own sourdough with organic, GMO free, stoneground, wholemeal flour. It is SO easy, keeps for ages and is a healthy addition to a good, diverse diet. Mr P, a long time gluten intolerant, eats it, in moderation, on non fast days, with pleasure. P

Hi Samm

Love your post. One thing to say re women and fasting. Many of us find that high carb the night before makes fasting harder.

Tasa,

I found that I needed to have an egg for breakfast with spinach on a fast day, plus coffee, then a little tuna for lunch with salad, and lean chicken or fish or meat, plus tons of greens for dinner. After I learnt to how to fast, I dropped to two meals, breakfast and dinner.

You notice no traditional carbs at all. This seemed to make the fast day easier for my body. No sugars, or grains, or fruit, no white products at all.

I am a full fat person, no low fat products. And no takeaways or processed foods.

Tasa, the first few fast days are the hardest. You need to drink two litres of water spread out through the day. And go to bed early, as Samm says. I measure the water out in the morning, and drink a glass an hour at the minimum. The water is extra to tea or coffee.

Anything worth doing, is worth a little endeavour to learn how 😉

All the best, Bay 🙂

Sorry to hear you are suffering so much Jojo – shame the pain killers have caffeine, hopefully you can get some stronger ones without. I am not a doctor but from personal experience I reckon you have some form of bursitis, an inflammation of the fluid sac over one of your hip bones. Its more painful at night cos the muscles tighten up when you are resting. Its got to be an inflammatory thing as it always worsens when you overdo the walking or exercise. Tomorrow get to a shop that sells over the counter anti inflammatory drugs and get a stock of ibuprofen or the strongest you can get without a script. Naproxen or Voltaren. These are hard on your tum so you must must have food with them, but they will work better than codeine for your sort of pain. Dont do it more than once (at bedtime), but kick of with a bit extra. Eg if the dose is two tablets, take three. JUST ONCE as otherwize its dangerous. But it will kick start the anti inflammatory process. And heat pack, and rest from whatever sets you off. I know you said you had a steroid injection, but it may not have been effective without adequate rest, you gym junkie! Good luck!!!!

Thank you wee for reminding us, as we try to get cars, boats houses, educations, and every other thing. That we will always have what is most important to us all along. And appreciate those family and friends wether we or they have all that stuff or not.
Keep On Keepin On!

Seriously Jojo, the biggest bonus to the lower weight is the comfort my body gets. My feet used to scream at me. Let alone my knees, hips, back etc
The exercise can wait until the weight is down some more. Exercising with additional weight really stresses all your joints. You will be much more comfortable with another 3 stone off and you WILL be able to move freely. I promise. P 🙂

Another vote for sourdough from me! Ate it as the weekend instead of my usual ‘treat’ of fresh baked white bread. No stomach ache or bloating, and no water retention. Woke up on Monday too light to fast, that NEVER happens after a weekend normally!

Think I may reintroduce bread during the week 🙂

Jojo, Re: your hip and knee. Are your legs different lengths? If so, orthotics might help?

Morning/evening all.

What a chatty group we are! Lots of interesting posts AND poems 🙂

I have one more inch to lose from my waist to have the correct ratio.

Jojo, sounds to me like a lumbar spine or sacro iliac joint issue, although it would be unusual for you not to experience any back pain at all. The difficulty is getting the correct diagnosis, so you’ll need to go back to your GP who can decide who to refer you to.

Try 10 minutes of stretching hips, back and legs before you go to bed and see if it helps. enjoy your dsy on the beach, and don’t get burnt.

It is a lovely day here, and I’m off for a long walk.

Have a good day everyone.

Lost my last post. Aargh!

I was trying to refer you to the myfitnesspal blog article by a dietician. It is called :

Are all Calories created equal? No surprise, they’re not in the effect they have on the body. 😉

We lose weight better if our diet includes protein and fat (no artificial transfats)

Sorry Jojo that you’re in pain.

Cheers, Bay 🙂

Bay, I read that article yesterday, and found it to be a clear, yet simple enough for the layman explanation of calories and macronutrients.

Amazon
What a lovely description of the bulbs and your walk. Must go to bed now. See you all tomorrow.
Bay 🙄

I consider myself very fortunate to live so close to Kew Gardens and visit as often as I can. Every day there is something different to see 🙂

I experimented with sourdough a year or so ago, but after an exploding starter incident, I gave up on it. I plan to try again at some stage as it is so good to eat and keeps well. I need to get my bread addiction under control first 😉

I recently read an article similar to the one you mention Bay. It is good to know that it is OK to eat fat when trying to lose weight as it has been vilified for years without discriminating between essential fats that carry vitamins and minerals, and trans fats.

Hi Wee,

This is the thread for mushiness, if that what mood you are in. What a lovely poem about Ross, he must be made of steel, just like his wee mam! It must be so hard for Mr Wee, with his brother being so far away. I have a friend who just made a dash back to Ireland to be with her mother whilst she died. It was so hard for her as she has two young sons here. Fortunately her husband excelled when he was needed. I am sure your husband is grateful for you just being there.

Amazon you are lucky to be so close to the Kew Gardens. They must be magnificent at present, your descriptions are lovely. I can smell the crisp air.

Its 10.30pm here and I am still in the kitchen. Trying to get organized! Lots on already this week, then a lovely surprise that Purple is making a quick trip to Melbourne and has managed to squeeze in a breakfast catch up on Thursday with moi! She has timed it perfectly (typical) as I have so much on already. How exciting to meet a fellow fastracker in person. Also lunch with friends tomorrow, dinner guests at home Thursday, then Friday I am running away to Jamieson for a “girls weekend” for 3 days. I need to leave lots of precooked meals for my husband, he can barely boil an egg.. probably guilt on my part too. Thank god for fasting!! Fortunately the friends I am lunching with tomorrow are used to me just ordering green tea. Next week will be a recovery week, nothing planned but swimming and gardening!

Jojo I have heard good reports re dry needling too, some say it gives great results. And I agree with Purple re getting the rest of your weight off for your joints benefit. It will still happen with less exercise. But I guess you really need a diagnosis first. I hope your current bout of pain has settled.

Cheers all x

That will be brilliant if you get to Melbourne Amazon! We could have a Fastrackers Convention at Jamieson, its half way between Sydney and Adelaide (well, close)! And Bay could just pop across from Canberra. Pity none of us work, we could claim it on our tax!! I really need to get to bed, I wont wake up tomorrow otherwize x

I’ll definitely get there, it is just a question of when!