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30 Mar 16
I think that I will be ok. Dr Mosley did a full 4 days fast with no food and Dr Fung recommends the no food fast. I don’t think that I’m mentally strong enough to do a regular fast which is why I will still have my evening 500 calories. I do take vitamins and fish oil with my dinner.
MelindaShay – congrats on the 13 lbs.
So you have gotten me interested in Kombucha. I never heard of it before so I had to read up on it. I found something sold locally called Buddha’s brew kombucha. Do you think it would taste the same and have same healthy benefits? I personally would like to try it first before trying to make it at home.
I finished a 48 hour water fast last night followed by a nice meal. Today will be my second diet day of the week. Believe it or not, you will find that you are actually less hungry if you eat nothing. As you are eating, you probably will not experience the ‘bad feelings’ that come with your body going into deeper ketosis, which usually happens about days 3 and 4. The current research shows very important positive things happen to the body with 4 or 5 day water fasts, so your efforts at eating less now may lead to some positive actual fasting in the future.
31 Mar 16
LA Chubster, I get the Kirkland Optifiber at Costco. I add 4 scoops which is 2 servings and 30 calories and 6 g of fiber.
I used to do 2 consecutive zero cal fast days for my 5:2 which equated to 62 hours. After the first few times it does become easier. I actually found it easier than easting 500 cals per day. I now do 1 zero fast day per week 6:1 as Ive reached my target weight but still want to maintain the benefits of fasting. Try 2 zero cal days instead of 5 500 cal days. The more you can get your body into ketosis the better fat adapted it will become
Simcoeluv and bigbooty – thank you for your encouragement and advise. I think that I will try a 48 hour fast either next week or the week after. It sounds scary at first but I think that it will give me greater benefits.
I do plan to finish this week with my 500 calorie commitment as long as I feel well. I hate to switch it up in the middle of one goal. Yesterday went well. The only issue that I had was my stomach got very noisy in the afternoon. Did some loud grumbling.
I’m with bigbooty! Two back-to-back FDs are easier for me too. Once I start eating I just don’t trust myself to limit myself. At least that’s the way my life has always been. So I do back-to-back fasts and I don’t eat at all.
It’s MOST instructive. You really find out what hunger is and how it operates and that it isn’t really awful at all! You get to see how you behave when you don’t cave in. I find that impressive and liberating. It makes me fell calm and energized and, even if those 2 concepts seem mutually exclusive, they fit together in quite an empowering way.
So, following the excesses of my Easter, I have just done 3 water fasts in a row. My body actually WANTED them and relaxed into them and today at lunch I am ready to enjoy my salad and resume food days.
And that thing about not trusting my body to stop eating? Not so true anymore. Yesterday, while baking bread and making my husband’s dinner, I tasted some roasted oat groats (yum!) and some creamy corn chowder (yum!) and stopped at what was probably not more than 100 calories. One hundred calories in about 88 hours and I enjoyed them without feeling that they had taken over control of my life! FAR more significant, rewarding and life changing to me than merely losing weight!!!!!
Hope everyone is doing great today.
I am happily fasting today. I have an extremely busy week and when my stomach growled this morning I thought oh, cool – no food today – more time to get all my things done :). CRaZy TaLk! I plan to skip the 500 calories tonight but I like to give myself the option in case I need them. Costco has a delicious lentil soup/chili at 300 calories for two servings that I am looking forward to either tomorrow or possibly tonight. Quick, easy and hits the spot.
Thanks for the kind congratulations – I have a huge amount to lose so I think it is pretty normal to lose the first 10 or so quickly at this weight and now my losses are slowing down. I mostly report them as encouragement for others who wonder if this really works. (I have read so many posts and find others losses very inspiring).
Fast day #2. Happily made muffins said I can have one tomorrow. Who is this person who thinks this way? Hubby brought home a new flavor potato chip and wanted me to try one. “I will tomorrow” This shift in thinking may be the biggest change ever.
Same thing happened to me today with chocolate truffles!!
Hello everyone. Live in North Carolina.
Good job K-Lo
1 Apr 16
I hope there is just ONE left tomorrow!
You turned down chocolate truffles, K-Lo?! You are Wonder Woman and we’re proud of you!!!
In exchange for a half glass of white wine with my cod and asparagus
Fasting today! Putting behind my March failure and setting up a new goal for April.
Princess Cilantro and K-Lo! This is the hardest for me to turn down chips and chocolate. “I will tomorrow” is new mantra for this month.
Happy fasting on fool’s day!
Am I the only one who blips UP a bit after FD?
Thursday fast was a good day for me. Felt very energetic and not hungry. I think today will go great and then a normal feeding tomorrow. Is it weird that I am already planning what I will eat?
For those that have done a water only fast for 48 (or plus) hours, how often do you do those? Are they every week or less often? After my success this week, I am really considering a complete water fast.
I did 48 hours water only fast twice so far (once per week), but found out that I had uncontrollable eating after the fast. I am switching back to 36 hours. 🙁
But I never planned my eating during the fast. Maybe that is good idea.
Dr. Krista Varady is the researcher who came up with the alternate day or Eat Every Other Day diet. And she’s one of the researchers whose data was the basis of Dr. Mosley’s 5:2 program. If you’ve seen Dr. Mosley’s BBC documentary, you’ve seen him interview her. The question she was asking in her research was actually would subjects overeat on food days. She found out that hey did. A little. But it in no way amounted to what they had deferred on their fasting days and that they lost more weight than a control group who “dieted” in a conventional way. She went on to refine the concept into EEOD (or, here, ADF).
So I wouldn’t worry about some eating above the TDEE. Particularly if you can wean yourself down to theTDEE over time. And I’m sure you will.
I don’t even count calories. I just aim for 2 simple sensible meals on my food days and let my body deal with it on its own time. Not the approach for everyone, I guess, but I’m satisfied with that. I mean my body functions better and stays calm with that, so I feel I can *stick* with that. And the lack of pressure to “get results” on the one hand or to eat insatiably on the other is just wonderful to me!
I do back-to-back water fasts every week. They have become a part of a pattern and get easier all the time. I even looked forward to it after Easter and added a third to make up for the excesses of the holiday.
I have always started a diet with a fast. It inhibits the outrageous impulses that used to lead me to eat when I was well aware that I wasn’t even hungry. When I was young I could fast for 4 days. And if I did that there were results I could count on. My sinuses decongested and I could actually smell things and feel better. But then I’d return to eating and be overeating again in no time. I couldn’t fast forever but, STUPID me!, it never occurred to me to fast *cyclically*. I suppose that’s why I adapted to IF like a duck to water.
So, if you feel like trying a water fast, I’d encourage it. If only to see how it feels and how you CAN get past the urges to eat. But I’d also recommend that you take at least a multivitamin and some electrolytes if it’s more than a day. And don’t forget to stay hydrated. When you don’t eat you’re greatly reducing the amount of water your body takes in from veggies and fruit as well as their bulk.
I always do diet day water fasts, and do two to ten day water fasts sporadically. There is no real need to do them on a schedule – I do them whenever I feel like it and have the time. The only water fasts I ‘schedule’ are 4 or 5 day fasts, which I do every three months or so.
My wife and I both started down this path 2/1/16 and both have seen nice results. I’ve lost about 13 lbs and my wife about half that. We both have lost several inches and are feeling much better about ourselves
I think the fasting days are really quite easy. That being said, I think the calorie counting, food weighing and measuring to be a bit of a pain on those days. I would find it nearly impossible without a decent kitchen scale and a good tracking app.
About 5 years ago I lost about 30 pounds through religious calorie counting and exercise but found that unsustainable over the long term.
I’m very optimistic that the 5:2 diet will be sustainable with the added benefits that come from calorie restriction.
Hi, MTFaster, and welcome to you and to your wife!
Everyone’s methods and results vary, of course. And it’s important to know how Dr. Mosley and the researchers set up their programs. But, in case it’s worth knowing, I don’t count calories at all.
My fast days are simple — I don’t eat so I’m very clear that I haven’t exceeded 25% of my TDEE. On my food days I eat sensibly. I have an enormous salad with beans for protein for lunch. At dinner I have protein (usually grilled salmon) and veggies. A food day probably doesn’t exceed my TDEE but I’m not sure and I don’t care because I’m more invested in something that improves the quality of my life and makes me feel better and that’s what I’ve accomplished.
I have all the food I want. I eat what I enjoy the most. I occasionally have other things or an extra meal or whatever as life or social events come up.
It works for me.
And you should know I’m not a young, active person who’s obsessed about 5 extra pounds. I’m a 69yo chronic overeater who’s been fat all my life and clinically morbidly obese for half of it. But fasting routinely has changed the way my body works. It now burns fat and it is satisfied by natural, sensible foods. I have died and gone to Heaven!
Dang!! Found out that I have an infection and have to take meds twice a day with food for the next 2 weeks. So I guess I won’t be starting any water fasts soon. Guess I’ll just stay with 5:2 which has been working for me.
Wish this was an April fools joke.
2 Apr 16
Yesterday was a binge day. Unbelievably triggered by white rice we had with curry. I can’t remember having eaten so much my stomach hurt in along time. Thinking the fast day depleted my glycogen stores and I did a major rebound. Will watch this next post fast eat day. Will be very careful what high glycemic foods I have on a post fast day because yesterday went out of control once I ate the rice.
Just had a strange experience, started my refeed/nonfast after 5 days at 500 calories. Tried eating breakfast in morning but stated to feel really sick eating like I couldn’t do it. After trying to eat a few bites, I just threw it away. I’m feeling better now that I stop but I thought that I was going to toss my cookies for awhile.
Hidden-star, are you taking antibiotics for your infection? They may be the cause of your stomach distress. That always happens to me. I always add pro-biotic caps a few hours before and after the anti-…. Plain yogurt helps too but you want to consume, again, a few hours before or after the anti-.
4 Apr 16
Hello fellow fasters!
Hope your week is starting off great.
I am fasting today – hooray! My eating day yesterday went better than usual – I enjoyed a few potato chips which I ate very slowly and crunched tiny little bites out of each one. Same enjoyment with about 1/8 the total number of chips. A new experience for me – just thought I would share. It was also my son’s birthday last week so I have been surrounded by cake and ice cream for several days now but it really hasn’t been a problem. (Very excited about that!)
The scale has been utterly lame (just staying the same – but this is my weigh in week – I don’t weigh myself the rest of the month. I should be happy about maintaining, I know, I know). However, I can feel a huge difference in my body. My waist is shrinking and my energy is phenomenal. I have also started biking around the neighborhood. So fun! Really can’t complain about that 🙂
Hidden Star – hope you are feeling much better….frustrating!
Princess Cilantro – occasional overindulgent days are pretty normal – just have to wipe yourself off and keep going. White rice can definitely trigger me too! (That and all grains, breads, sweets and especially chocolate!)
Hi everyone. Today is my fast day too.
Was really looking forward to it to break the white rice kabuki dance I had going on. 30 min on elliptical also helpful. Definitely see the fluidity of the scale. I am looking for progress not linear perfection. Hope today goes well for everyone.
MelindaShay, neat potato chip trick! Knife and fork next time!
I’m fasting today and relieved to be after too much eating last week. I need to reset my appetite, I’ve been eating around the clock.
I’ve been fasting on and off for about a year. I always stop because I feel like I’m overeating on non-fast days, at least that has been my excuse.
I think I have a better perspective on it now, and want to focus on the health benefits that fasting can give me.
I know the first 3 weeks back on can be tough, so I’m making sure to take it easy and focus on having a successful fast. I meal planned and shopped yesterday, so that I wouldn’t have to worry about anything today. I’m also not going to eat any carbs tonight and see if that will help. I also may have to take an advil pm to help with sleep, if necessary.
Good luck to everyone today and Happy Fasting!
Pea Jay here… I just found this thread. It is good to have Americans talking to each other. I too have found it strange that this is unknown here. I got Michael Mosley’s “5:2 the fasting diet” in Costco. Some of my good friends know about this plus my family. I thought well if I am successful then they will want to know more, but? I began Aug 2013 and in 9-10 months I lost 26 lbs. getting to 131 lb. but most remarkably I have kept it off with 5:2. Should mention my husband is also doing this. And my sister and husband are doing it although they appear to have quit. Also one close friend went on it for maintaining her weight. She continues.
I appreciate this thread as I need encouragement at times. Some of you are staying away from your trigger foods. That is for me sweets. Of course on a fast day that is easy, but on the five days it is not. I have not found a need to have a fast from all but water ( I am not a coffee drinker). I am not adverse to it. The documentary Michael made definitely talked about the health benefits of 3 day fast from all but water. Lately I have eaten high sugar foods. I was thinking about doing two fast days in a row and then having another late in week. I am about 3 lb over right now. I am 70 and had given up on diets because I was on the yo-yo thing, loosing gaining never maintaining. I do really like 5:2. Socially we can work fast days around our calendar. We don’t have the stress of daily being bombarded at work with treats or lunches out. I am glad to know others here in U.S. are doing it and write on this blog!
Good health to all….Pea Jay
I am fasting too.
For me it is so helpful to know that other people fast AT THE SAME TIME, it does not feel lonely any more.
My husband are so thin,and although he is supportive of my fasting, he simply cannot fast with me.
Princess and K-Lo!
You make me laugh aloud at my working place. The picture of plate with some potato chips and fork and knife on each side stuck in my head now.
I also planning to Zumba class today evening. Plus steam room relaxation.
Hello everyone !
Today I started my fourth week on the 5:2 plan. This is my seventh fast day. It seems a little tougher than the ones before, probably because I just did a lot of shopping for my college daughter’s care package. Lots of delicious treats for her, none for me (at least not today)! Oh well, I am determined and it will be all right.
So far I’m down about 8 lbs. I can’t overstate how helpful it is to have this forum for encouragement and support. Just reading about everyone else’s struggles and successes helps me stay in the mindset that I need to go forward. So I thank you all, and wish you all continued success, determination, and good health!
5 Apr 16
Third fast day went well. Now I need to transfer the same resolve to eating well on non fast days. I approach the fast days with mindfulness to set myself up for success. I need to do the same with feed days. Even though I am not calorie restricted I should not be turning off my brain.
My first fast (in a while) went well yesterday. I was crabby with my kids at night, but I hope my mood improves (during fasting days) as I go on. It felt like I only had enough willpower to fast and not do anything else. I did try an adult coloring book for the first time last night and was surprised at how it relaxed me. I’ll definitely put it in my toolbox to help with late night eating. I also bought a new journal — just like this forum, it helps to work thorough what you’re experiencing.
The scale was very good to me after my first fast. I know that I shouldn’t rely on it, but it was encouraging. I don’t have much to lose, I’m using fasting more to control my emotional eating and for health reasons. I’m aiming for 10 lbs. by June.
Princess, I’m right with you. I know that I drink so much more water on a fast day, so I’m going to remind myself of that between meals today (no snacking!).
I’ll fast again on Thursday.
Have a good day everyone!
On feed days is there an optimal time gap between meals to shoot for. If Iam hungry I will est something but is it beneficial to delay so 4 hours have passed for example?
There is no optimal time between meals. Some people believe there is, but the research shows that you will get the same results regardless of when you eat your calories.
Ah, but Simcoe, you yourself choose not to eat all day on fast days. ☺ Leaving as long as possible between eating sessions is good self discipline. It teaches you that you don’t need to eat often and seems to reset the appetite . PVE
The issue was non diet days.
For diet days – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25251676.
The same applies on non fast days, Simcoe. None of us should be nibbling every couple of hours. That’s why the world is full of obese people. Self control needs to be developed every day. That doesn’t mean making yourself miserable or obsessive, just mindful. As we should all be eating less, isn’t it better to eat excellent food 2 or three times on normal days, instead of continuing old habits of greed? PVE
Hi! So far my feed day today is going fine. I am staying away from my trigger foods. The hardest time for that is evening it seems and I am not there yet. I am encouraged by the blog. It helps to express myself and I get some good tips. One very nice raw food I like are the multiple colored small peppers that come here from Mexico. They are wet and tasty offering plenty of chewing. They work for fast and feed days. Hope you are each having success in your fast or feed day.
I don’t think people nibbling every couple of hours is why the world is full of fat people, and lack of self control often has nothing to do with why someone is fat. In addition to being taught by our governments, doctors and school systems to eat massive amounts of carbs, it seems genes and a new virus have a roll, too: http://documentaryheaven.com/why-are-thin-people-not-fat/.
YOUR government, actually. 😕
Easy cop out to blame genes etc. As you say almost every day ….( to paraphrase) ..if you eat more calories than you expend, you gain weight. Simple.
Reducing food opportunities is a good habit on the path to lowering excess consumption.
Check out the BBC program – it has information in it.
7 Apr 16
Hello all you quiet Americans!
I was a good little faster yesterday and today am focused on being a good little maintainer and staying within my TDEE. Have started the day off right and the offending banana bread (cake really) from my last eating day is safely tossed into the trash where it can no longer taunt me with it’s constant whispering. (“you deserve me, I am home baked sweeet comfort…..I won’t be around next week, what are you waiting for….?”)
Pea Jay, love your name! Thanks for the peppers reminder – those are great!
Princess Cilantro – I think the spacing bw meals is probably personal for what you are eating in addition to what is satisfying you. If you eat carbs frequently throughout the day it will likely drive your cravings through the roof, but if you are eating high fat meals/snacks it might level you out so you end up eating fewer calories which will determine how quickly you lose weight.
Hope everyone is doing great and hanging in there!
BANANA BREAD TOSSED INTO THE TRASH!!! Wow! MelindaShay, you are my hero. 🙂
Fast day today. All the best to fasters and feeders. Getting used to the scale moving around. Learning to focus on trends.
You are not alone, I am fasting too.
I’m fasting today, too. It has been a couple of months now that I have been doing 5:2, and the fasting has become pretty routine. I don’t know that I even think of it as fasting, really – I just don’t eat breakfast and lunch a couple days a week. I can’t say that I enjoy it, but I no longer get headaches or feel desperate to eat by dinner time on fast days. I’m down about 10 lbs in that time, and think I’ll go for another 5 and then maybe drop to once a week fasting – that won’t make be thin, but will get me within shouting distance of normal weight, which would be lovely!
Hope you all have a good day. It is cold and pouring down rain here in Maryland, and here I was hoping for a more spring like day…
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