Hi all,

Jo you have my sympathy – evenings always my hardest time, unless into a sewing or similar project. I don’t watch much TV but am often in and out of the kitchen and that is dynamite – once that little voice in the head starts making suggestions! I try to keep busy in the evening of a fast day, only way for me. Its so frustrating to blow a whole days good work!

Amazon Kew sounds beautiful, and wherever you are sounds gorgeous too Apricot. Just as well you are driving to Cornwall Amazon, with all those new clothes you would be paying for excess baggage! Spring and early Summer are absolutely the best times. We are freezing and wet down here. NSW and Tasmania having serious floods.

I just warmed up by scrubbing the shower, so boring but I am warm now and feeling very smug! (I am not a regular shower scrubber, just when essential).

Almost thru my Tues B2B fast and doing ok. Out for lunch tomorrow, so need to persist! I stole a crumb of tasty cheese when feeding the magpies earlier, didn’t seem fair that they got it all. Gosh they were dripping wet, I couldn’t resist when one came back for seconds an hour later.

Good luck if you get the storm Barata.
My suggestion re snacking at night is to rid the house of snacks! If it’s not there, or is safely frozen, you have to stop and think first. Dr M’s Ask Me I’m A Doctor, last night, covered exactly those things. Don’t have tempting food around. Serve the meal and store the rest before you sit down (eg on the freezer). Noone is perfect, but we can all develop methods to avoid bad habits. 😯P

Only about 5 more hours before a light feed Jo? You can do it.
It is hard with others nibbling nearby, but see it as poison for you and rise above it. You can do it!
Iff to bed now. ‘night. P

Well done everyone on their fasting. I am fasting tomorrow, as I have been up since 5am with jet lag and feeling very hungry at the oddest of times. Managed to drag my arse to hot yoga though and do a Gillian Michaels DVD to get myself back into the swing of things. Super bloated today though, which is weird as I took my own food on the plane. I guess the 9 hour flight takes its toll on your body and I am not 21 anymore!

jojo58 – I have the same issue with my husband, he is really slim but nibbles all day. His kids are the same. Its very difficult in the evening seeing him munching away, but if I do it I gain so much weight and feel horrible.

Going to have an early night and a healthy dinner in preparation for fasting tomorrow.

Where are you from? I know many of you are from New Zealand and figured UK for some others. I live in Vancouver but spend a lot of time in Holland as my husband has a son from a previous marriage there. So jet lagged it’s not normal, but my body can’t take these flights any more! We try to go back every 2 months but I am really suffering. Fell asleep at 9pm but now 12.37am and so hungry!

Starting Monday I am doing another 10 day detox as in no caffeine, salt, booze etc. We really overdid things in Europe the last 2 weeks seeing friends and feel I need to reset things. My stomach is so swollen I look like I am a 43 year old pregnant lady! Not a good look for the summer.

Waiting for my cat to return so I can go to bed. Never had kids of my own so she really is my baby and a little worried when she doesn’t come home in the evening….

I haven’t seen the program in Aus yet Jojo so can’t really comment, but an injection because we have too much genetic predisposition!!! Ah, so the drug companies can make more money! I guess its less drastic than the surgeons making money on gastric banding, but surely education is the better route? We may be predisposed but obesity is not infectious like whooping cough! Sorry, but I am very cynical. If there is money and big business involved, the governent might do something about the obesity epidemic.

exercise ..right portions and water are the way to go 🙂

Morning/evening all

Jo, as adults we are all repsonsible for what we eat and I disgree that we can all blame it on genetics. None of us know if we carry the so called “fat” gene and I would hazard a guess that there are millions of overweight and obese people out there who don’t and have just got bad eating habits and/or are plain greedy or are so out of tune with their bodies that they don’t understand what hunger feels like and eat because it is “mealtime” or have a snack because someone told them they need to eat every couple of hours or their blood sugar will drop. We all know that is what is meant to happen and it isn’t harmful but the myth arose and has been perpetuated and even nurses give such (misleading and inaccurate) advice to patients.

I cannot agree with negating the resposibilty we have to keep ourselves as fit and healthy as possible, something I did for many years and am so grateful that I finally opened my eyes to what I was doing to myself.
I’m with Nama 100% as far as drug companies making more money out of obesity. The answer is simple and free, eat less and ensure it is a healthy balanced diet and by that I mean LCHF and fast to get our insulin levels under control.
Take exercise if we can. We don’t need trillions of pounds being spent to cure obesity we need to stop people getting that way in the first place, and the medical profession and scientists across the world need to eat humble pie and admit the advice they’ve been giving for years is inappropriate.

Most exercise that people take is aerobic, walking, running, cycling, swimming, keep fit classes of many descriptions and they are all excellent for cardio vascular fitness but it takes a long time to burn up a substantial amount of calories. It takes me an hour of hard work to burn 500 in the gym. Most people don’t have the time to do sufficient exercise for it to make a significant difference to their weight.
Weight training is targetting particular muscles and working them to the point that they become damaged in order for the body to put a lot of energy into repairing them and making them stronger which also makes them bigger if you work hard enough at it so it is no surprise that it burns up more calories.
Once again it would be necessary to devote a lot of time to it for it to have an effect.

I wasn’t fasting yesterday but I only had one meal at lunchtime and then met a friend in the pub last night. We only had two drinks so it was a very good non fast day for me. I’m fasting again today and am having the last of the asparagus wrapped in parma ham with a salad.
I decided to experiment and froze most of the asparagus. I blanched it for a minute and froze it in portions. I’ll try defrosting one portion and puttin it in the oven for five minutes and if that is not a success I’ll make some soup with it.

Have a good one everybody 😜

Jo, you are missing my point,

I wasn’t talking about you taking responsibilty for your body but EVERYONE and not looking for someone or something else to blame which seems to have become the norm for almost every situation.

The definition of a drug is “a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body” so administered hormones are drugs.

I do not agree that nobody chooses to be obese because if we all did something about it the first time we noticed a tight waistband there would be no obesity and diabetes epidemic along with all the other health issues that arise from obesity but we must take into account that many people have taken advice and gone down the low fat route and regained weight which we now know makes the problem worse. Also society has evolved in that cheap takeaway food is readily available and as a reuslt everywhere we look, in the street, on buses, trains, in cars, the workplace, people graze and it has become commonplace along with being overweight.

Nama is correct in that education is the answer. As I said previously the medical and science establishment need to change their tune.
All pregnant women should recieve the correct dietary advice for themselves and their child and general physiology and nutrition should be on the national curriculum from primary school onwards. The majority of children would be fascinated by how their bodies allow them to walk, talk breathe and eat, and what happens to the food they eat once it has been put into their mouths.
There should be a nationwide drive to get healthy food into company canteens and cafeterias. The government need to legislate in order to ensure that food manufacturers put the whole truth on processed food packaging.

As for giving hormone injections for something that is preventable for the majority with the use of education and a healthy diet, I disagree. I would guess that very few people who comply with a LCHF regime alongside fasting would not be able to lose weight and keep it off and only a very small percentage would actually require medical intervention.

I don’t agree with menopausal HRT either as it seems to cause as many problems as it solves including increasing the risk of certain types of cancer.

I am not crticising the program for pointing out that some people are genetically predisposed to gaining weight but that doesn’t mean they have to let it happen.

Whoops we crossed posts Amazon, its seems we are on the same page!

Hi Weemam,
No matter what we say, you will be worried sick tomorrow. Just know that your cyber buddies are all here, saying a quiet prayer for Jim. Try to remember, the docs would not consider this surgery if they were not confident it would be successful. xx

Wee it is far safer for the surgeons to repair the aneurysm in a controlled, safe environment than to risk it bursting with potentially deadly consequences. These guys do this stuff every day, its like you and I ironing a shirt! I am not religious at all, but I pray regularly and tomorrow I will be praying for you as much as Jim. He has the easy bit, he gets to sleep through it all. You will be the one with the thumping heart. This time tomorrow you will be feeling much better xxx

Hugs from me and best wishes from us both, Wee. Dear Jim will be relieved when it’s over and his Weemam will still be smiling. ☺ xxP

When he got the triple bypass it was the first op he had . he panicked and burst his stitches . he was taken back into surgery and put into an induced coma to let his body relax . I know what you mean about the relief as every time I see him wince I panic inside thinking the aneurysm is going to burst . this surgery will take all that stress away . When he had the bypass he was very poorly before that . He is now pretty strong for an auld guy ( our joke lol) so he will be able to walk without pain too if they can do the groin one as well . The main one is the AAA. Thank you all so much . I feel as if I know you all so well now . Sorry if I have gone on BUT although Jim knows I am worried I am being so positive for him . I will pop in and post whenever I know anything .

Thanks again guys xxxxxx

Anaide,

I understand what you are saying and yes you are correct. We must eliminate old bad habits and make new healthier ones. The bad habits have been with most of us for a long time so it take time to get used to new ones.

Hello,
Little 30 minutes break to recharge my brain right now. Too much running today trying to have one of our rentals ready and search for the perfect tenant.
Great thread folks! We are all so blessed to be here with our eyes and ears open in search of what would be the best for our ultimate health. The exposure and lure promessing help it’s everywhere. Right there are health claims numerous associations on the food packages, surgery, pills, diets and celebrities with solutions for everybody. Very hard to decide which road to take and I’ve been in many of them.
If I would go to my mother and ask her to limit her rice and beans and slowly adopt a fast she’ll kill me. Her doctor told her to eat every 3 hours for her blood sugar and she is God period.
I try to be a good example to my family 😘
Mrs Wee I’ll be thinking of you being strong for yourself and Mr Wee. I am sure when I am up tomorrow to read good news from you 💋🙏
Be good there everyone
B

Hi RT,

That is a very interesting article and I would say that I am fat adapted which is good news 🙂

I’ve been trying to improve my exercise rate on the rowing machine and exercise bike at the gym over the past couple of weeks, and doing a few other things with a view to increasing both strength and fitness. As a result I have sore shoulders due to using some of the resistance equipment at the gym that I’ve not used for months. I started doing lower body work again a few weeks ago now that my back and hip are so much better, and decided that this week I should restart upper body work.
I found it hard going and was unable to shift the same weights as previously so I’ll have to work my way up again. I’ll give it another go tomorrow 😫

Not sure I know what you mean when you say youre a “fat burner”? We all burn three energy substrates ALL the time regardless of what activity we are doing. Glucose, glycogen and fat. The percentages change depending on the intensity of the activity and what we have available to us at that particular time. Activity that is about 50-60% of our max effort usually pushes up the fat burning percentage but its not a huge percentage change.

You can become more fat adapted (i.e. your liver’s ability to efficiently process stored fats into glucose and ketone bodies and your cells ability to utilise fats rather than glucose) but this takes a lot of effort and continued water only fasting. A reduced 500 cal fast day is not going to get you there. You have to continually put yourself into ketosis or stay in ketosis. The body is continually performing autophagy (the controlled killing of poorly performing cells). By continually entering ketosis (or staying in ketosis) the poorly performing cells will be the ones that are reliant on glucose as their preferred energy substrate and the ones that cant process fats very well. They will be the ones that are replaced first during autophagy and they will be replaced by cells that have the ability to use fat as their preferred energy substrate. I.e. Keto adapted. If you are not putting yourself into ketosis I cant really see how you can become fat adapted? It has taken me about 9 months of water only fasting and it is only in the last month or so that I think that Im actually realising any difference.

Morning all,

I agree the Mercola definitions seem overly simple. It seems to be more about diet/ carbohydrate intake/ cravings than fat adaptation per se? Anyway, all a bit academic really if what you do works for weight loss and maintenance….

Wee,

Thinking of you and Jim today. It’s going to be a long day for you, but he’s in good hands.

Ali,

My cat found a nest of baby rats in a border this week. Maybe a week old, but still blind. He dragged them out onto the lawn, killed them all, then went back throughout the day and ate his way through the lot. Luckily he doesn’t think enough of me to bring me ‘gifts’ 😀

We had guests for a long weekend. I had fasted last Wednesday, then didn’t eat all day Thursday (too busy) but made up for it in the evening. Very pleased to see only 1lb up on the scales on Monday post-visit. I think it helped that our friends were both slight, and not at all greedy. Fasted on Tuesday to shed the lb, and it’s now as if we never had visitors 😀

Happy fasting or mindful eating!

Morning/evening all,

big booty, did you read the link to the article we were discussing?If you did you would know what we were discussing, if you didn’t shame on you 😉

I know you are a water fast disciple but many of us are not and we just do what works for us which is 500 calories. The state of ketosis is discussed endlessly but is irrelevant is we are losing/maintaining weight as a result of 5:2 or one of its variations.

Purple, Happy, I agree it was a bit simplistic and my post comment smiley was meant to be a 😉 typing finger malfunction!!!!!

Jo, the hormone treatment you had at the age you had it is not the same as giving HRT to someone who has reached menopause at a natural progression and is suffering from various associated issues. Early menopause due to ovarian malfunction can cause many issues in later life so drug therapy using hormones is entirely appropriate as the benefits outweigh the risks.

Slightly overcast start here but it is warm and sunshine is promised later. I’m off to the gym again soon, I’m not an addict honest 😆

Have a good one everybody 😜

I’m only going 3 times per week at the moment. I would like it to be 5 but some mornings my head is stuck to the pillow or there is something more exciting on offer 😎
I have to say that my overall fitness is much improved and along with all this healthy eating I feel better than I’ve done for years and have lots more energy, although no longer working makes everything easier!

Not until Saturday and I can hardly wait 😄

Good Morning,
Gorgeous day here! Looks like spring. I will be going to my Pilates and after my Chiro. Still not 100% better, it’s 6 months now.

So it means that when I have my very well needed cup of coffee with some milk in the morning and trying to have my 400 calories around the 18th hour I am not in ketosis stage?
Not that clear to me… Doesn’t matter really I keep going. I mentioned before my scale is the one that gives the BMI, fat (sensitive type of creature :)… According to my instinct, on that scale tomorrow I will be 5 pounds away from my goal. No reason to celebrate yet. Been there done that.

Happy Day to everyone 😍
B