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  • If you want to stop spinning your wheels and actually lose weight, CUT THE SUGAR AND FOODS THAT CONVERT TO SUGAR IN YOUR BODY. Learn about how your liver works (or is supposed to work anyways). Fat does not make you fat, sugar (i.e. grains, high fructose foods/pop, certain fruits) does. I’m living proof. Went Paleo and lost 20lbs in a month, that I didn’t think I needed to lose, just by eliminating grains and dairy from my diet. Can’t put on fat now eating the way that I am even if I try. Both our kids are also living it, and doing very well on it. We’ll never go back. My six pack is back at 42 years old. I work out hard with weights 3 times a week, half hour a day, and do hiking/walking, and biking in the summer (too cold for biking here in Saskatchewan in the winter!). No need to kill yourself with chronic-cardio. Mark Sisson explains it well on his site:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz2mkR8O1f1

    And I’m not sure why everyone here is so concerned about cholesterol.

    Read this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Cholesterol-Con-Disease/dp/1844546101

    There have also been several other books/papers written…some LONG ago.
    FACTS: fat doesn’t make you fat, and dietary cholesterol does not raise your cholesterol levels! Again, I’m eating eggs every day for the last 7 months, and my cholesterol level hasn’t increased (it’s always been good, although after reading the above book, you will question what ‘good’ is). There is no such thing as ‘good and bad’ cholesterol. It’s just a way for pharma reps (like my brother-in-law in Seattle) to push Statins.

    I am interested in the fasting diet however for the possible overall longevity/health benefits, and am going to give it a try. I’m more than a little disappointed after reading ‘The Fast Diet’ as Michael and Mimi seem to be espousing many of the conventional myths that are still out there, mainly regarding fat and cholesterol.

    I couldn’t have written a post more pompously!
    It is apparent from the many differing opinions expressed through this forums postings, that although people are starting by reading the single same book, what they remember, or take away covers a wide spectrum.
    It is clear that a lot of people only want to take on board that weight loss can result.
    I am not sure where the opinion got formulated that the book was out of date on the idea that fat leads to fat – maybe really read the book without preconceived conclusions? It’s well understood by a lot of people that scientific advice to the food industry led to fat being substituted for various forms of sugar and that has led to much worse general obesity.
    It is a forum and you are entitled to your opinions and if you try and force your opinions on people in a pompous, aggressive and condemning manner then maybe don’t expect to stimulate an open discussion.
    Good luck trying the fasting!
    Maybe try and chill out a bit? 🙂

    I don’t find the post pompous at all. I liked the booked. Enjoyed it and enjoy fasting. That being said you can’t read only one book and assume it is the only way. There is a lot of information out there about fat and cholesterol and it’s important that people take the time to educate themselves to find a truth they can live with.

    Obviously one book cannot be the only way.
    If you can appreciate that the book emanates from the BBC Horizon portfolio of science TV programmes then you would see that so many aspects of diet and exercise have been minutely examined in so many different ways – the conclusions have varied over the last 20 years or so, but the fast system espoused here, could be seen as a fairly central pillar of current thinking.
    Reading contents of ungrounded websites may be a way to self educate – but I like to rely on legitimate organisations and the BBC is still legit for me.

    alreader sent their post identically to two sub-forums – their only post – I would hate it if there were some commercial aspects to the web links within – that would be shady and I would never defend that sort of thing.

    Not really sure how posting facts and my real-life experiences is pompous, but if that’s how you choose to take it, so be it. I laughed out loud when I read that this may be a commercial pitch. If you actually read ‘the Fast Diet’, Michael makes mention several times about improvements to ‘LDL and HDL’ and talks extensively about ‘high fat diets’ in research studies (alluding to the ‘bad’ part of the study) with no mention of carb intake, although there is a good discussion of it later on in the book. Also, espousing a ‘eat whatever you want’ 5 days a week diet is patently ridiculous, although admittedly it may help people transition to a better diet.

    Since being diagnosed with an auto-immune disorder 3 years ago (Vitiligo) and told by conventional doctors/specialists that there’s nothing I or they can do about it, I’ve been reading (over 100 books and countless research papers and websites), and trying to find a solution. It coincided with some pretty serious back pain that turned out to be caused by grain consumption (not celiac, I’ve been tested 3 times with 3 different tests) and I don’t believe in coincidences. I’d been eating cereal (Nature’s Path organic, whole grains, blah, blah) and sandwiches (whole grain bread) every day for 39 years. Finally tried paleo (after my wife’s endless prodding – thank you Angie!) for a month and voila, no more back pain, dropped 20 lbs. Actually lost weight so fast I thought something was wrong, but it stabilized at what I now would say is my so-called ‘ideal’ weight, not what doctors say is. Did this all on my own. The only people that agreed with anything I had to say were homeopaths and naturopaths.

    Living in Saskatchewan (one of the largest grain-producing regions in the world), I get virtually no support for my decisions, but that is changing. I often call this place the ‘China of agriculture’, although all modern industrial monocrop farms fall into this category. If you actually take the time to see how grain (wheat, pulse crops, canola) is produced in 2013, you wouldn’t ever touch it. For example, they now use Roundup to ‘finish’ (i.e. ripen) crops early in the fall so they can get on with their trips to Hawaii earlier. The problem is hybrid grain and gliadins, look it up.

    Do what you want, just remember that carbs cause fat (and inflammation), not fat, and cholesterol has never been PROVEN to be bad for us. The studies are 100% clear all over the world…heart disease victims on average have ‘NORMAL’ cholesterol levels when they die. I suspect the biggest reason people resist is the difficulty eliminating carbs from one’s diet…they’re piled into everything we eat now. You have to be very vigilant where you source your food from. Misinformation is what corporations are all about. Monsanto has a 1.1 billion per year subsidiary that does nothing but go online and spread it…they don’t even try to hide it, relying on the ‘willful ignorance’ of the consumer that too preoccupied with big houses and shiny gadgets to care.

    Anyways, I digress…;-)

    Aleader, Just like to say, you do not eat what you want, you eat normally, which is a different thing altogether. If we all ate normally throughout our lives we would not be overweight now.

    Aleader,

    “Also, espousing a ‘eat whatever you want’ 5 days a week diet is patently ridiculous, although admittedly it may help people transition to a better diet.”

    Is NOT what the book says. On the five non fast days you can eat whatever you like but and this is a big but, you have to stay within your TDE.

    If you were to do alternate fasting then you could pretty much eat what you like and how much you like.

    I believe that people will have to find a way that works for them and so far it seems that the 5:2 way of life works for quite a lot of people who have tried a lot of different diets before.

    It is interesting to see how people who are convinced of their very own diet believe that it is the only way to go.

    Stef.

    Aleader – this surely is a forum for those who follow the 5:2/fasting WOE.

    You have found a different way which works for you – and you are obviously evangelistic about it – and that is great but since you patently have no real belief in 5:2/fasting, I’m not sure what it is you hope to gain here by telling everyone how wrong they are.

    The fact that you have posted identical threads on other forums suggest that you only do this to cause controversy and argument which is not in the least helpful.

    Your time would perhaps be better spent on a forum which espouses your WOE instead of making disparaging remarks on this one.

    All, just read yet one more article saying you can eat what you like on non fast days. Why don’t these critics read the blasted book properly?!

    Sadly toms, there are people who only see or hear what they want to or what they think it SHOULD be and not what is actually written or being said.

    Yikes, evangelical is certainly the word. I don’t know what supposed controversy there is? There’s nothing to argue about. Several people on this forum are struggling with their weight. I see that in post after post, yet none of them seem to be working within the biomechanics of their own bodies. The gist of my posts are not in debate…fat doesn’t make you fat and cholesterol causing heart disease IS A MYTH. This is not a ‘choice’ I made, it’s a fact. I think many of you need to do some reading by the sounds of things. If you want to lose weight and reduce your inflammation, eliminate carbs…period. It’s hard, yes, but it works 100% of the time. No willpower to do that? Get some.

    And I’ve never bashed the 5:2 fasting system at all. As a matter of fact I came on here in support of it (end of my first post). I actually have fasted on several occasions, as recently as yesterday. I re-watched the Michael Mosley PBS special I have taped to re-affirm what he says several times over: “eat whatever you want 5 days a week, reduce your calorie intake to 600/500 on your fasting days”. Same as in the book. He then proceeds to scarf down a beer, burger and fries…the worst part of that meal of course being the bun and the beer. I agree, some people only see and hear what they want to hear…

    Hi aleader-This topic has been discussed extensively on the forum-and the series by Dr Jason Fung on Obesity
    is very informative on youtube explaining at length just what you are saying about carbs causing weight and fat, not fat causing fat. Also a show on Australian TV exposing statins being over used, and cholesterol in food not contributing
    to high cholesterol, in fact how the whole myth about cholesterol started. Sorry I don’t have the links for these shows.
    They were on here last month I think. I know from my own experience that cutting carbs works and 5:2 works, so I try
    to combine the two.

    There is no “one” way to do things like weight loss. There are many, many ways. 5:2 works. Cutting carbs works. Calorie restriction works. Hell, juice fasts work. I think it all comes down to people finding out for themselves what works for them.

    Aleader, you’re very enthusiastic about your own method, and that’s great! It worked for you, and it probably will also work for others – but you can’t force people to share your views. Do note that not everyone is like you, so making comments like “No willpower to do that? Get some.” really has no use and can be seen as quite aggressive. Especially for the people on this forum who have found a different way, not your way, to reach their goals and feel healthy. It kind of feels to them like you’re attacking their ideas. And when others then return that favor to you, you just keep lashing back. Nothing personal, just my observation 😉

    Me? Like said, I think a load of methods work. I use both fasting and carb restriction and they work fine for me. Any of these methods separate would probably work as well, but I’ve chosen this.

    So everyone just stick to what you want to do! To Aleader that’s carb restriction, to other’s that’s just doing 5:2 without carb restriction. Whatever you choose, make the choice yourself and let others choose for themselves as well. Without saying their way is worse than yours, preferably.
    If anything you read on the forums makes you experiment with other things, great. If they then work for you, even better!

    Aleader, please feel free to look around here for information and motivation towards the fasting you’ve been planning!

    Alreader, I am sure reducing carbs helps to lose weight.

    Frankly though for me this is no fun and not sustainable. Also low carb diets do not seem to be very successful in the long term. See amichael’s book or numerous websites such as this one: http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/atkins-diet
    I know quite a few people who went on the Atkins diet, but all of them gave up after a couple of months and worse, they all gained their weight back and some more.

    The 5:2 diet allows you to eat what you want and that is the benefit of it. I do not have to cut down on food I really enjoy. Everybody has to follow their own path and frankly in my opinion there is no right or wrong.

    If you look around this forum you will find quite a few success stories that proof that this way of life seems to work, similar to your way of life, albeit with a bit more fun 😉
    Stef.

    Well said,Stef. You hit the nail on the head by saying ‘no fun and not sustainable’ I’ve done ‘diets’ before that were neither fun nor sustainable. This WOE is both,and nearly 5 months in I’m not even remotely tired of it. (I think I lasted 10 days on Dukan and felt absolutely terrible.)

    Absolutely Stef! The problem with every other diet I’ve tried (…and I’ve tried a lot of them…) is that they are not only unsustainable…but they set you up for failure. Seriously, who is going to eat cabbage soup forever or not enjoy a crusty chunk of french bread or a piece of chocolate cake? Then, when you do eat them you feel guilty and binge. Or give up.

    With the 5:2 I have lost 20 pounds since August…and I’ve done it while not feeling deprived of anything. I feel and look better and my labs last month were wonderful (and I use real butter, eat whole eggs, and use lard in pie crsts) and had a perfect cholesterol level.

    Not sure if I am going to make the goal of 30 pounds by the end of the year…but the beauty of this lifestyle change is that you can pick back up the next day without the feeling that somehow you’ve failed.

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