Under 1200 calories

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  • I’ve never knowingly done a diet on very low calories before. And i’ve only just realised that my average daily calories are now under 1200 because of the fast days.

    I eat 500 calories on two days and 1400 on the other five days. This is average of 1142 per day.

    I am 165cm and weigh 61kg and i’m nearly 51. female.

    So i’m wondering, what sort of negative effects on body function do you think this will cause me.

    I seemed to reach a stall and without regard to that i started using a pedometer and trying to get my steps up to 10000 which started my weight loss again. This is very recent.

    I’ll consider increasing my calories to 1450 if i think its warranted but want to try to consider what health issues lower average calories might have for me. I mean it might have no effect since its only two days that my calories are low rather than being under 1200 every day.

    Any thoughts?

    @pattience, I say self experimentation – everybody is different and what works for you does not necessarily work for someone else.
    I too have a low TDEE of 1295cals (sedentary although I do walk 50-60 minutes a day) and find it quite an eyeopener how little I can eat now but the positive side is that you get used to it and as long as you don’t feel hungry it is OK. For me there are only two meals a day now with some fruit in place of the third meal – usually late morning breakfast.

    Maybe you could try a little higher (1500cals) on non fast days so that the body gets some work to do and see if you put on weight or not. I find that after a fast day I want to eat not because I am particularly hungry but because I think my body needs to rev up again or might otherwise settle for permanently lower requirements.

    How and when our weight moves is a mystery to me. For me the main benefit of fasting is that the sugar cravings are massively reduced, which makes me eat less carbs on eating days too. In the past I always felt that the reason I put on weight was because of my sugar cravings so if I can conquer that the calories will be kept in check automatically because I don’t eat big meal portions.

    I might try doing 2 x 36hr water fasts and then really rev up to 1700-1800cals on eating days (I am maintaining at the moment). I will let you know how it goes.

    “I mean it might have no effect since its only two days that my calories are low rather than being under 1200 every day.”

    Exactly that!

    It’s just 2 days, that’s the whole point. Far better for you than consistantly low calories every day and FAR easier to cope with and stick to. It’s not a miracle diet, just a low calorie one in disguise (as far as the weight loss aspect goes).

    Just to say that I know that Michael Mosley says that we don’t go into starvation mode doing 5:2 but I do think that even taking into account of increasing age and weight lost – my calorie requirements seem to have gone done more than what I would have expected.
    I might be wrong and it might just be an illusion but this is how it feels to me.

    Lichtie “For me the main benefit of fasting is that the sugar cravings are massively reduced, which makes me eat less carbs on eating days too.”

    yes its because you are doing low carb effectively and when you do low carb, you stop having cravings. But you only need to stop eating sugar to end those sugar cravings. And i mean sugar, not fruit.

    but i have also noticed how these low carb days affect my overall appetite. I did low carb before 5:2 and i can tell you they feel the same only the food is different. So just keeping your carbs moderate most days will help.

    My TDEE is up around 1500 i think still. I can’t remember but i eat below my TDEE because i wasn’t losing when i ate at my TDEE. You must be quite short to have a TDEE of 1295.

    Tracey, I hope you are right. its what i want to believe.

    My concern is that if it were not so , then biological function could be compromised and LIchtie you would not have much way of knowing this because its not all about appetite and energy. On the other hand, these, and particularly energy are probably good indicators. I think i might have contradicted myself there. What i mean is i’m not sure. It could be or it might not be.

    Anyway i guess i will stick with what i’m doing for now.

    Thanks all.

    @pattience, yes energy and overall health are good indicators. Yes I am small but also I am maintaining and I am working out at the moment “what I can get away with” without gaining weight.
    I will never go completely without carbs – I don’t do extremes. However I was brought up on a high carb diet with toast for breakfast, traditional lunch, and cold meats and cheese with bread in the evening – oh and a lovely coffee in the afternoon with a piece of cake. Now I eat processed carbs only two or three days a week, mainly at the weekend fast days are automatically no carbs. I think I can sustain that.
    As you said it is all about the sugar and I feel that it is the main culprit. I love fruit and I have it as a substitute.
    We all need to learn to listen to our bodies.

    Just a suggestion, but have you heard of ‘Set Point’?
    Maybe our bodies have a natural, genetic, set point once you get into the low-normal BMI range, which means your body starts to really struggle when you try to push it further down.
    That’s how it seems to me, anyhow.

    I think you might be over worrying tbh. If your TDEE is 1500, you’re not going to lose hardly anything if you up your Calories to 1450 a day, are you? In fact if you have a treat day every now and then, you’re probably even going to put on at that rate. An average of 1200 Cals for a 1500Cal tdee is fine for weight loss, and should result in losing about 0.7 of a lb per week, if you’re consistent.

    Yes i know about set point. In the past I’ve easily lost weight to much lower than this (but with a lot more activity) but haven’t kept it off once. Mind you i haven’t kept it off at 60kg for any length of time either. I don’t feel i’m struggling at the moment though. I’m trying to do things differently this time.

    My question is more about health than weight gain/loss. I’m wondering if eating below my BMR for two days a week would have any health effects. I’m hoping not.

    And thanks for your supportive message yesterday on the other thread. I’m not suffering. But i do need to get on with life a bit more. I’ve been trying but i come and go from the computer all day.

    2f2f, my average is below 1200. I’m not sure if you are suggesting i should change things to get it up to that. But never mind, I’ve stopped worrying about this. Actually you’ve given me an idea.

    I would be curious to see what my weekly average is when i work it out from what i actually eat. Its usually not strictly speaking 1400 calorie per day and 500 on fast days. Usually its a bit over and sometimes a bit under. Yesterday was quite a lot over. I’m finding if i don’t get my meals properly balanced for satiety then i tend to want to eat again. I do better with bigger meals that have a lot of vegetables in them.

    Today’s a fast day so i’ll be having sautéed and steamed vegetables and grilled fish with some olive oil in the mix. If i was inclined to do it, i’d cook a fish/seafood stew as these are good for me too on fast days.

    Hi Pattience, pleased to see you are still posting. I find your openness refeshing. People should celebrate differences more and not try and make everyone conform to some ‘norm’.

    Thanks Happy.

    Its a fast day and I”ve just worked out my food. And i can’t wait lol. I’m trying a new thing. Instead of grilled fish, i’m going to try grilled seafood (100grams) . I’ve got a variety of things in the freezer – prawns, mussels, scallops and even calamari thingos. If they need it i will make a dressing of lemon juice , garlic and olive oil to add to it afterwards (1tsp each). Oh and maybe a little parsley. I had lovely seafood salads in France last year. I just don’t know what plain grilled seafood would be like. It will need salt.

    with it i’m having 3 veg steam-saute in olive oil (10g each potatoes pumpkin and zucchini today. The pots make it especially delicious and they don’t have a negative effect on me).

    Dinner will be a great deal of green leafy stuff (lettuce, rocket, parsley) with low fat salad dressing + a big expresso with half cup of milk.

    And lots of Twinings black tea throughout the day. I’ve rather taken to it since i began drinking it recently.

    All that comes to just over 500calories .

    Hiya Pattience, regarding your question about how the 2 ‘very low cal’ fastdays will affect health.

    To be honest I didn’t come to 5:2 as a ‘diet’ diet. My whole reason for starting was that I saw Michael’s documentary on BBC2 in August 2012 and thought “Oh my goodness I bet I have loads of visceral fat too!!!” (he was trying out lots of different forms of fasting looking for a way to reduce his visceral fat and improve his indicators for health issues that his father had died of). Fasting and the ‘IGF-1’ effect were what brought me, and many others to 5:2.

    I can’t tell you how the diet has affected my IGF-1 levels, as I doubt the NHS would be interested in testing mine regularly, however I have vastly improved my BP (now perfect, formerly consistantly but not quite dangerously, high), my menstual issues have gone, my eczema has gone and my spotty skin (in my mid-30s it was getting beyond a joke) has been replaced by lovely baby soft skin. All of these are side effects of the long (14 hours plus) fasting periods injected into my life as a consequence of 5:2. Fasting is good for you and I fully intend to do it forever, as I like the benefits it brings.

    Best of luck in your journey – take note of the positive health benefits you notice as you go. They will help keep you going whenever you feel like you’re not getting very far. 😉

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