@ruthi
“I read recently that people who take vitamin pills live longer, ”
I don’t know for sure but it’s so easy to take a multiple vitamin – just in case.
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@ruthi
“I read recently that people who take vitamin pills live longer, ”
I don’t know for sure but it’s so easy to take a multiple vitamin – just in case.
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Hello to you all out there. Speedy, just to confirm some of the points you make about sugar etc. I have just read an article in “The Sunday Times” which for those across the water is one of our up market broad sheet newspapers. An article reports on how some of our “countries most popular drinks and snacks are so heavily laden with added sugar that they can contain more than 13 times the amount found in a Krispy Kreme doughnut”. A report by Credit Suisse “brands Britain the fattest country in Europe”. “A large Costa Red Berry fruit cooler contains 97.1g of sugar, equivalent to 24 teaspoons of it”. A recommended maximum daily consumption of added and intrinsic sugars is 90g for a woman and 120g for a man.
8 out of 10 doctors in its global survey considered that sugar consumption was linked to the development of obesity and type 2 diabetes. About a quarter of our (British) population is considered obese making Britain the “Fat man of Europe”. The sugar industry claims there is no proven link between the consumption of sugar and serious ailments such as heart disease and diabetes.
I could go on with other quotes but for those interested try and find the article on line.
I am not evangelical about sugar or its effects on our health but the article makes interesting (and scary) reading.
Good luck to you all out there.
USA, trynot to feel too down hearted. You weighed and that’s just one moment snapshot. You know how scales go up and down, you may well have happened upon a higher moment so I’d try to put it out of your mind – and, as you said, that wasn’t your main goal.
Just a couple more days. Hugs 🙂
I was also wndering if the 2 months – if it’s needed and it may not be – has to be done back-to-back? That would get it over with of course but I was wondering if a series of 11 days, as you are doing now, might not also have a good effect?
This is a FAST day for me. I try to do water/tea only fasts and my biggset problem isn’t hunger but boredom: I miss my day being punctuated by meals.
Anyway, just sending a hug really 🙂
Hi USA, just got back from my grandsons 3rd birthday party and have read your post. I share your feelings about this and yes have a hug from me also. Take time to evaluate all of this, do not go overboard with rejection of the results and give yourself a hug for all of the research, dedication and application you have given in this endeavour. Lots of posters have followed your progress and those with similar problems live in hope.
Will post again later.
Good luck and best wishes.
Just back from France, and back to normal!
So first of all a big HUG for a feisty lady!
USA why are you even thinking of giving up? You experimented for 11 days, and it wasn’t what you hoped for, although you did find your inner vegetarian, and learn all sorts of stuff about yourself. But in the battle for health its just a skirmish, and you CAN do it, although maybe not via shortcuts.
Even if you may not lick the diabetes totally, getting lighter and living healthy WILL improve your health, so please don’t give up! Pat yourself on the back for being so very determined, and lets go back to what works – healthy eating and 5:2!!!!
You know by now that I don’t go in for mincing words – so lets cut to the chase. You are at risk of veering off into another wild and weird byway. I love reading the medical research as much as anyone, but boy, do you beat me at that one! And then you decide that you’ve got to implement the findings. In short, you are a sucker for a fad diet, as well as medical research – but not that keen on sticking to plans long term!
I really think you could do with just concentrating on doing 5:2 and healthy eating really, really well. While pacing the floor with a crying baby I was looking at your 11 day diet, and thinking how many of your calories came in snacks, many of them processed.
Instead if rushing to put something – anything – in your mouth when you feel hungry, how about just waiting for the hunger pangs to subside, which they do. And are they truly hunger – or just the munchies?
Try recording what you eat with My Fitness Pal which I think is independent of the US Government ups and downs. Ignore the targets, or edit them. But just look at where the nutrients are. How much of your food has been processed by some company before it gets to you? How far can you go towards everything being raw, or home cooked (by you) and divided into 3 or 4 meals a day?
I am beginning to wonder if the reason I am so interested in your quest is because I see myself writ large in you. I too am impulsive, and if I am honest, enjoy the novelty and experimentation much more than the grind of plugging away working at changing lifelong bad habits. I too have trouble keeping away from food between meals (and its not true hunger that drives my snacking!), and particularly at 4.00pm. But I am developing strategies to keep myself on track. I’m also not getting better at keeping my impulsive nature under some degree of control.
Hi USA, I was thinking about you today. I hope things are going OK.
Had a short chat with my GP today. I’m one month into 5:2 to try to get my suspected pre-diabetes, high bp and (I now know ) too high cholesterol under control. It’s a fast day for me today and the evening here so I’m in that ‘not hungry just a bit bored not eating’ phase! It will pass.
I’ve given myself to mid -December doing 5:2 and exercising more to try to get these things improved. Otherwise I guess I’ll just have to start taking the advised pills – at least for a while.
But I was thinking how very hard your experiment must have been – just from boredom at what you are eating if nothing else. It’s a bit of a contradiction that fasting or eating less can hugely increase how much you become aware of food and eating. You did very well to stick to it I think.
Anyway, I’m going to go on thinking of eating like Gollum thinks of his ring. I like it very much but letting it take over too much is very bad for me! I have I think about another 28 kilos to lose (that’s about 4 stone) before I will be back to bmi 39 – where I last felt healthy.
Hope things are OK with you.
Hi USA, we all need a break from routine sometimes 🙂
I’m sure you are right about going low carb/ low GI on feast days. I try that for about 90%. That means for me not eating pasta or rice or bread or potatoes. I sometimes have some bread or potatoes because I think one huge strength of 5:2 is that I don’t banish any food – otherwise I start craving it and you know what that leads to. Binge binge binge!
Fast days like today I try to just have water + tea + coffee. But can have 2 hard boiled eggs with mayo if I give in late on in the day. But I try for 36 hours without food.
I just started buying those lowering cholesterol lowering yogurt drinks. They are said to contain plant sterols and lower cholesterol. I THINK it is more than just a marketing think.
I’ve read that when you are losing weight your good cholesterol can go down. That makes a sort of sense to me as all that fat has to be used up and through your blood before it disappears I think. THat side of losing weigh I find a bit scary; that all that blubber is going to have to go back out through our systems and ograns. But it’s the only way apart from liposuction lol!
Typically/ideally on a feast day I’d have a cheese omelette for lunch then dinner a veggie burger / soya / tofu quorn thingie with a heap of spinach/broccoli and maybe mushrooms and tomatoes. Love mushrooms!
Also an apple or orange or blackberries or blueberries, walnuts (just a closed handful). Yogurt drink. Milk in tea and coffee.
I have a strong feeling that grapes are very, very healthy – but they are high in sugar and I can eat A LOT! I think it should be grapes with seeds not the seedless ones the supermarkets sell and you have to eat the pips. But I have to be careful as grapes are very moreish to me and before I know it the whole bag has gone!
It’s been useful writing this all down – shows me how easily and often I stray from the way 🙂
phew USA you are back. I have been thinking of you over the last week and really missed you!!
I’ve been toying with the idea of going onto non fast day low carb/high fat/Diet Doctor plan too. As I’m such a carb addict though, I’m feeling a bit fearful and still procrastinating.
Great to have you back from vacay.
Good to see you back, USA!
And glad to hear that I am jumping to conclusions re processed!
I agree that low carb is the way to go. All the evidence is that in evolutionary terms we are probably best on about 10% (of calories) carbs, and very little in the way of sugars. Pre agriculture there were very limited grains and no potatoes. But root vegetables were probably fairly plentiful judging by what modern day stone age groups consume.
Not sure what you mean by ‘high fat’ but I agree that the calories that aren’t coming from carbs and sugar probably need to come from fat, especially the fat in nuts and seeds, and legumes.
Have you faced the scales in the last couple of weeks? I am wondering what the effect of the 11 day regime was longer term.
Family are fine. Baby (who will be bilingual) doesn’t do a great deal of sleeping, but he seems to be screaming less as they suss out his little ways. Parents could do with more sleep!
No, I hadn’t missed the one measly pound! I just wondered what had happened in the ensuing two weeks.
Of course your measly pound may be due to going into starvation mode, which, if I read the article correctly is no bad thing.
Baby is 1 month old today. I may return to claim cuddles in mid November, if I can sort out staffing issues. I came back to a complaint from a customer that forced me to sack one of my girls. So I can’t leave until the team is settled and work covered.
@wiltldnrusa
“All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles, pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels, crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), corn and cornstarch-based products (sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos, tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies.
Avoid processed foods containing wheat, such as soy sauce, Twizzlers, Campbells Tomato Soup, salad dressings, taco seasoning–examine ALL labels and avoid any food with mention of wheat. …
If you suspect you have a wheat “addiction” and are struggling to break it”
No mention of crepes, chocolate crepes, ..so I may hang on to that.
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Now, now, Rocky! What do you make your crepes with?
Clearly there has to be some other cause of T2D than being overweight, since 20% or so of sufferers are of ‘normal’ weight. And there is no doubt that wheat and other grains do all sorts of other nasty things.
Trouble is that it is REALLY difficult to avoid them unless you are a self-sufficient hermit! And I went gluten free on medical advice a few years ago, and all my friends go to the shops specially for gluten free goodies (except they aren’t that nice). I am gradually educating them, LOL!
70% chocolate is easy to get here in the UK, Lindt do one, or, at the other end of the price scale so do Lidl, if I am going to eat chocolate, that is my first choice. In fact here you can get chocolate right up to 100%, although its no great pleasure to eat for me.
@ruthi
” What do you make your crepes with?”
Coincidentally, they are made with cocoa powder. I found that mixes well in the batter & gives it flavor & color.
“A polyphenol-rich diet includes at least 650 milligrams a day.
Cocoa powder (3448 mg)
Dark chocolate (1766 mg)
Black olives (569 mg)
Green olives (346 mg)”
I was pleasantly surprised to see it at the top of this list. All my favorites.
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@wiltldnrusa
“they sound good may we have recipe?”
Can’t go into details now.
Fasting and discussing food in detail does not mix well for my resolve.
If I did go in to details, afterwards my arms would raise in front of me and my legs would point me in the direction of the kitchen. Since I know how to create my crepes consciously and otherwise, boom!
My weekend fast would be shortened by 48 hours.
So, no recipes today.
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What do I think of this doctor? I think his claims are a bit far-fetched, although I agree that grains and starchy foods are not good news.
If you think of it in evolutionary terms, we certainly did not evolve to eat large quantities of carb rich foods. But whether it will cure everything is another matter. In terms of diabetes, I am sure that cutting out grains and spuds will help stabilise blood sugar. Whether that is a total cure I am not sure. Clearly, from the point of view of the sufferer, simply not needing meds or insulin is good, but whether the pancreas is truly returned to full function (in order to allow you your occasional carb fix, for example) I would need more convincing.
It seems to me that the docs (the ones that do the research, that is) have fastened on the fact that in most cases of T2D the pancreas is clogged with fat. But is that ALWAYS the case? Or are there other forms of ‘late onset’ diabetes where other things are going on to compromise sugar metabolism? Logic would suggest that in some cases there is something else affecting insulin production, and of course in that case the drugs they currently use may or may not be altogether helpful.
There’s a huge difference in the approach of British writers, and the Americans. Over here we are just as excited, but we don’t tend to write in terms of absolutes to the same extent. For many years the American style of writing used to annoy me so much I wouldn’t read American authors. I’ve got myself over that, but I am still aware that with American writers its almost as if they can’t say ‘This is my best guess. Unless you are very unlucky it will work for you’. But actually that is what is really going on.
If you can overcome your addiction to carbs, it cannot possibly do you any harm to change to this form of diet. The more slowly your food releases sugars (or even better don’t release them at all) the better. In addition his arguments about wheat sound convincing, but they are based on very limited research. I am not addicted to wheat – although I like the taste of good bread, but I can do without. I AM addicted to sugar!
I wouldn’t say I love sugar! But it keeps finding its way into my mouth!
And no, not diabetic, and BMI is now under 25 thanks to 5:2. But I have other health problems, and so much I’ve not yet done that I need to live to 100!
Anyway, I have wasted the afternoon sorting out a leak in the downstairs loo. It would have taken an hour if my darling OH kept his (and MY) tools in something like a logical order! He is on his way to Japan (for work, no fun allowed). But the dogs are getting very, very agitated at their lack of supper!
@ruthi
“I wouldn’t say I love sugar! But it keeps finding its way into my mouth!”
It’s probably ok to say you love sugar, but sugar doesn’t love you.
It’s a toxic relationship.
You know it. I know it. We all know it.
Time for an intervention.
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@ruthi
“Anyone got any ideas? ”
There is the old trick of too much.
I remember a story of a smoker who went to the therapist to stop smoking. The therapist told him to buy cartons of cigarettes and told him to chain smoke in front of the therapist, even after the smoker got sick.
It worked. Temporarily.
For a while. Then the session would repeat at scheduled times until the behavior went away.
The therapist couldn’t continue this approach because the smoke was affecting him. The smoker eventually went back to smoking.
There is a better way that did work.
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