Jo,

Carbs and sugar…these luxuries?!

Sounds like you’re still in the frame of mind that you’re denying yourself….

Jojo since you eat low carb what recommendations do you have for breakfast ? I wide my second fast day yesterday woke up today ravenous and had cornflakes!! I’ve l8st 4.4 labs this week so delighted .

I eat full fat natural yoghurt with flaked almonds and mixed seeds for break fast, but never before 11.30.

Hello fast trackers
I have been lurking for a few days, reading the Jason Fung book, clearing all my raised beds ready for planting. I got some artichoke plants while in Rome last as I love that vegetable, and I will buy some aubergine plants on our next trip ‘out’. We fortunately have a full tank of petrol, as there are strikes in France leading to especially diesel shortages. The fine weather is also making me want to spring clean and the mice which are inevitable when you live in the country are busy off-springing at present. Old houses are not mouse-proof.

I found Jason Fung’s book difficult to read on kindle, as he kept on presenting the problems. I was getting depressed about the problems and went to read the end. Phew!

I am maintaining 4:3 with almost zero FDs. This morning I made muffins with lovely farm eggs and using coconut and chickpea flour instead of wheat to break the fast( as we are still in the 8 week BSD, though not 800 cals everyday). I am not sure about these muffins, 4 eggs are necessary to get a moistish muffin and I added spinach to add moisture. Coconut flour is hard to manage and using a little only seems to be the answer.

Ply- you are not a lurker, but a linker- thanks for the link which was very well timed for me.

HCB, sorry about your back. It’s hard being in pain.

Ali- good advice from Bay as usual.

Jo, you sound busy. I wear Teva sandals for walking and try to get 800km out of them. I like open shoes for walking, and I am finding that as I lose, the shoes last longer. I am off for a power walk soon. In this village the difference between the lowest and highest points is 45 floors- 450 feet! I do fewer steps (6k-7k only because of the hills), sometimes with a 40 minutte stint on the treadmill when the weather is iffy.

Apricot- I thought athletes were slim too, until Dr Fung told me otherwise.

Purple, missing you, dear!

Nicky, aubergine lasagne- good idea. Interesting about training after food.

Bay- Is it warm enough where you are to have a winter garden? You said you were in the garden. Your Fast journey as usual is very inspiring to us all.

Amazon, Happy – your exchange over aubergine was interesting. I had never heard of Imam Bayildi, but now it will become part of our range of food. I love the Italian augergine dishes.

Ali- Lentil chips/crisps- never heard of those!

Nama- just read that the University of Melbourne Maths Dept is recruiting woman only as staff. Quite a bold step.

RT, looking forward to the Friday funnies!

Purple, missing you, dear!

AO, good to see you popping up preiodically.

Penti, where are you?
Barata, where are you, my kiwi mate?

Sorry if I missed anyone out. Welcome to newbies!

One question I have is that, when I started this FD and I have lost about 27 kg now, is where to stop. I was going to stop at 75 kg, which is 26 BMI. However, I realise that in fact the idea is never to stop. Am I right? I am going to see my doctor soon and I am going to ask him this question too. I guess the sensible answer is do the doable without getting miserable. Even now I feel so light on my feet, my varicose veins are no longer visible, my knee joints are virtually painless, I feel happy. I can run up from bottom to top of our house (3 floors). I would really appreciate advice on the end point if it exists.

An up day for me today, and tomorrow an almost zero FD again.

To you 5:2ers who seem to do a Thursday fast, happy fasting.

XXXX Wiwi

Thanks Amazon I think my gut is telling me off for an indiscriminate sparkly wine habit. Natural yogurt seems like a good start. Thanks for the advice.

Hi Wiwi

I forgot to answer about the garden. We are having the warmest year on record, and I am preparing the garden for growing vegetables in Spring. Between us we emptied the compost bin and mixed it with dirt and spread it around. I also planted two camellias that flower in late Winter and Spring. And some lavenders.

Cheers, Bay 🌺🌺

Jo,

Nope, still don’t know why you think sugar and carbs are luxuries. Never mind 😀

Now for something to put you off your spuds…!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/eating-potatoes-could-increase-risk-of-high-blood-pressure-study-finds-a7035066.html

Hi everyone,

I had an appointment for a haircut so decided to take a walk along the high street beforehand, then sat and had a coffee in a shop where the smell of the cakes was making me feel nauseous 😮 and I’ve come home with a haircut and a new pair of shoes. No idea how that happened……

Happy, that’s an interesting read but as it says, they’ve not taken what else these people are eating, and my guess is that those who eat a lot of spuds and have a raised BMI are eating lots of processed cr*p/carbs/sugar (delete as appropriate)

I had hypertension already when I embarked on this WOL. Despite increasing the amount of medication it was still creeping up. It is now much lower, not enough to give up medication but I am hoping that continuing to lose weight plus the effect of regular cardio vascular exercise will reduce it further.

I shall continue to eat potatoes. I’m not going to jump on the spuds are bad bandwagon yet as the scientist in me wants proof 😉

I’ve just has an enormous plate of salad, topped with slivers of cheese and asparagus dressed with oil and balsamic vinegar and only 300 calories 😇

Amazon,

It’s a great scare-mongering headline though isn’t it? I couldn’t resist it 😀

Well hopefully your GP will be enlightened at some point soon, you’d have to hope the pharmaceutical industry would get found out for the money-chasing peddlers of snake oil that they are…

On a newspaper related theme, I see the telegraph reviewed last night’s BBC programme Lose Weight for Love. The headline for that piece reads “Tanya Byron’s Lose Weight for Love shrouded the useful demonstration that eating less and exercising more produces solid results” .

No comment on whether the dieters continue to lose weight, or keep it off, of course!

Well sucessful fasting on the flight from Vancouver. Just had water, 2 20 calorie crackers and a glass of orange juice on the plane. It’s super easy as the food is so disgusting and if you have ever tried the gluten free option yuck!! Sure jet lagged now, but had a small nap so will try and stay awake as late as possible

My hubbie is super fussy about his food and I am allergic to gluten. We do eat the same sometimes, but I won’t force my gluten allergy on anyone else.

Just had a few trolleys rammed into me at the supermarket, Dutch people do not have excuse me in their vocabulary. I miss Canada!

Hi Fast Trackers
Nicky Emel and Aussie O in South Australia Nama in Victoria Bay in ACT PVE in NSW WiWi France Barata in NZ and Jojo HappyNow Amazon Herm Lizzy Ply Tartan lass Smiffy Weemam Lor_PA CakeyWakey Sarah103 HealthCoachB Tessy pen nib Iona72 Pentimento pranayama and Hello World (You All know Who You ARE) 😉

In no particular order, because that would require some amount of work
• Two blondes walk into a bar, the brunette ducks.
• A young brunette goes into the doctor’s office and says that her body hurts wherever she touches it.
“Impossible,” says the doctor. “Show me.”
She takes her finger and pushes her elbow and screams in agony. She pushes her knee and screams, pushes her ankle and screams and so it goes on, everywhere she touches makes her scream.
The doctor says, “You’re not really a brunette, are you?”
She says, “No, I’m really a blonde.”
“I thought so,” he says. “Your finger is broken.”
• A Blonde was down on her luck. In order to raise some money, she decided to kidnap a kid and hold him for ransom.
She went to the playground, grabbed a kid, took him behind a tree, and told him, “I`ve kidnapped you.”
She then wrote a note saying, “I`ve kidnapped your kid. Tomorrow morning, put $10,000 in a paper bag and put it under the pecan tree next to the slide on the north side of the playground. Signed, Blonde.”
The Blonde then taped the note to the kid`s shirt and sent him home to show it to his parents.
The next morning the blonde checked, and sure enough, a paper bag was sitting beneath the pecan tree.
The blonde opened the bag and found the $10,000 with a note that said, “How could you do this to a fellow Blonde?”
• A blonde went to the appliance store sale and found a bargain. “I would like to buy this TV,” she told the salesman.
“Sorry, we don’t sell to blondes,” he replied.
The blonde was very angry about this. She hurried home and dyed her hair, then came back and again told the salesman, “I would like to buy this TV.”
“Sorry, we don’t sell to blondes,” he replied.
The blonde did not know how the salesman had recognized her. This time, she got a haircut and new color, a new outfit and big sunglasses. She then waited a few days before she approached the salesman.
“I would like to buy this TV.”
“Sorry, we don’t sell to blondes,” he replied.
Frustrated, she exclaimed, “How do you know I’m a blonde?”
“Because that’s a microwave,” he replied.
• Did you hear about the blonde that put lipstick on her forehead so she could make up her mind?
• Did you hear about the blonde that threw away her weight loss video because she noticed that the people on the video were not losing weight either?
• Why can’t you tell blondes knock-knock jokes?
Because they go answer the door.
• What do you call a blond with a Chainsaw?
Dead.
• There were three third graders walking down the street a redhead, brunnette, and a blonde. Which one had the best figure?
The Blonde, she was 18.
• What’s the difference between a blonde guy and a blonde girl?
The blonde girl’s sperm count is higher.
• Why don’t blondes like to breast feed their children?
Because it hurts when they boil their nipples.
• How do you sink a submarine full of blondes?
You knock on the door.
• What do you call an intelligent blonde?
A Golden Retriever.
• What do you call five blondes laying on a beach
A public access.
• What do you do if a Blonde throws a pin at you?
Run, she’s got a grenade in her mouth!
• What’s the difference between peanut butter and a blonde?
Peanut butter is difficult to spread.
• Why do blondes have more fun?
They’re easier to find in the dark.
• Why do blondes like tilt steering?
More headroom.
• A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, “Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can’t figure out how to get it started.”

Her boyfriend asks, “What is it supposed to be when it’s finished?”

The blonde says, “According to the picture on the box, it’s a tiger.”

Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle.

She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table.

He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says, “First of all, no matter what we do, we’re not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a tiger. Second, I’d advise you to relax. Let’s have a cup of coffee, then ………..

“Let’s put all these Frosties back in the box.”
• A blonde suspects her boyfriend of cheating on her, so she goes out and buys a gun. She goes to his apartment unexpectedly, opens the door and, sure enough, finds him in the arms of a redhead. The blond is furious. She opens her purse to take out the gun but as she does so, she is overcome with grief. She takes the gun and aims it at her head. The boyfriend yells “No, honey, don’t do it.” The blond replies “Shut up. You’re next, you bastard.”

Have a happy Weekend all you beautiful losers 😆
Peace RT

Good morning all from cool damp Adelaide. Barata, autumn has definitely arrived in the SH.

RT, loved the Friday funnies. I was always sensitive about being a blonde female scientist. Fortunately now so grey I care less but not completely over it. 😉

This thread is such an interesting read – discussions on exercise including HIT, fasting, recipes, slim spouses/partners (like mine) and doing the doable.

Bay, I agree, you should call yourself ‘Sage’. Like you, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I always cook the same basic meal for both of us but just give OH more and supplement with extra calories in the form of potatoes, pasta or whatever carbs would normally accompany the meal.

As a trial for Lent I avoided anything with added sugar but still, on non-FDs, ate my own bread at lunchtime, rolled oats with natural yoghurt and berries for breakfast and for dinner, lots of veg. and some protein but no carbs for me. I rarely eat the biscuits and cake that I bake for OH and have always cooked meals from scratch because I like to know what we are eating in terms of ‘secret’ additives in convenience foods.

I enjoy being active and, like Amazon, I feel fidgetty if I’m tied to my desk because of some pressing work. Even then I find excuses to move every 15′ (I set a reminder on my computer) such as using the printer 2 floors up or making a cuppa in the lunchroom upstairs – although can’t go there around lunchtime because of the smell of toast. 🙁 The big change this year and, I believe, the key to my extra progress is not eating between meals. The best health benefit of losing 20kg is that my hypertension has disappeared. Eating less and no drugs are easier on the pocket too!

Keep up the good work everyone and take care of aching backs and other joints. n xxx

I like your idea of a 15 minute reminder to get up and move, Nicky, especially as our office is going (trying to) paperless so there are not the frequent visits to the printer. I agree about no snacking – cuts back on those sneaky calories! I think I mentioned earlier that at my last check my blood pressure was, to quote the nurse, what could be expected in a 20-year-old 🙂

Hi there, dear Wiwi. You are right – 5:2 will never stop, at least for me. I find I need it to maintain, and of course all the health benefits. Do you try to catch the mice, or agree to live in harmony?

Blonde and sexist! RT How can you?
The microwave/TV was my favourite too!

I’m reading GUT by Giulia Enders and it is a must read for us all. Her subtitle says it all. The inside story of our body’s most under-rated organ. Cheers, Bay 🌺🌺🌺

Bay, have you read Brain Maker by David Perlmutter?

Wow, Amazon, dancing around in joy for your size S!! And the sleeps 🙂 (dream on, Barata, not for you yet!)

Sounds like your friend should stop being responsible for her mother and daughter though, Jojo – hard to do, easy to say.

Can the roll. There are better alternatives. Bread is on offer in sight in my kitchen, for feeding of the males, but doesn’t tempt me too much fortunately. And rolls are easily resisted when eating out, always white. Some of these outings coming up in my near future, too, birthday, wedding anniversary, both milestones. Life is tough 🙂

Yes, Barata, life is tough! Glad you have visited us. Give my love to Wellington which I miss. However trips soon to the South of France, Rome, Naples, then Porto, then Wales, etc and a trip to Chile in November, there are compensations. We arrive in NZ in January again(22nd we leave Rome).

FD for me today. Jason Fung has inspired me to do the as close to zero as possible fast as often as possible (max 3 times a week)
I have been out in the garden digging for an hour, and due to the exertion and maybe the coffee, I have the shakes. I’m hoping ketosis is kicking in.

Thanks for the clarification, Bay. Good sense as usual. I shall stop thinking about goal weight and calorie restriction, and think fast-feast.

In fact once I got to 66kg after biking through The Rockie Mountains on a 2-speed bike, and I was skin and bones. My stomach was concave.

That’s the trip where I spent the 3 days on the train getting to Edmonton, knitting a sweater as I didn’t have one and it was September. Folie de jeunesse!

But I am going to join the maintenance thread when I get to a point = x (maybe 3 months) and pick up 5:2.

Nama, I love the image of you looking at the label inside your trousers to see if you really are wearing the right sized ones. I hope you don’t do that in Collins St.
BTW, Nama, I have just planted my Cavallo Nero today.

Off to sort rubbish if we have the patience as there is 6 week’s worth! That will keep my mind off my growling stomach. OH is eating a plate of potatoes, I’m not even tempted!

This weekend I am writing my magnum opus – Twinkle Twinkle set to 4 voices in the style of Mozart! I guess I should do an extended fast and have the twinkle twinkle going on in front of my eyes, and float!
Sorry HCB, not in London in mid-July, in Rome for grandies 2nd birthday- sorry to miss you.

love Wiwi

Nama,

You’re not the only one to check…and re-check…clothes’ labels. But I’m pleased to report that two years on I do finally believe I’m the size I am 🙂

Hi everyone,

Just home form a 10,000 step walk in Kew Gardens. It’s overcast but the sun is breaking through occasionally and it is warm. Rhododdendron dell is in all it’s glory at the moment and things are growing all over the place, leaves, shoots, buds, it was such a lovely walk. The goslings have quadrupled in size in less than three weeks, they must have eaten a lot of grass!!!!!

I had a coffee in one of the cafés and the girl at the till tried to tempt me with special offer cake for members but my will was strong and I declined 🙂

I bought a huge piece of steak and half of it is in the fridge for another day.
I have a lot of mushrooms in the fridge so I’m going to make mushrooms à la Greque.

I am going to keep myself busy this afternoon watching tennis and reading my Keith Floyd autobiography so I can start the low carb living book.

Time for more caffeine ☕

Thanks, Amazon, I will look up the book. 🌺🌺🌺🌺. Bay

Dear me Jo,

Where to start?!

I suggest you read Dr Fung’s recent blog on fixing metabolism before you give up on zero calorie fasts and a proper quantity of calories on non-fast days.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fix-broken-metabolism/

Jo,

You didn’t zero calorie fast last week to counterpoint the increased non-fast day calories. So weight maintenance was a good result. Who knows what it might achieve if you gave it longer and did zero calorie fast.

You gave it one whole week. Wow, talk about impatient!

Given that you don’t lose weight each week on your ‘normal’ 1200 calories regime, you absolutely cannot draw any conclusions from your one week trial.

Given how long you’ve been trying to get to goal, making progress and back-sliding, and how generally ineffective your daily calorie restriction and fasting regime is in producing weight loss, I can’t believe that aren’t prepared to give this longer than one week.

You’ve been mostly getting nowhere for a long time now. Isn’t it time to stop doing the same thing and expecting different results?