In the absence of diet induced thermogenesis, more clothes definitely help! But increasing activity (exercise or non-exercise) would be better – it warms you up AND burns calories. Win win 🙂
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Thanks Purple and Happy! I am dressed as if going into the snow and trying to sit at a sewing machine making curtains – activity is limited to verbal abuse of the job at hand!! Why is everything made cheaply these days? I bought beautiful fabric and it hangs just as it should, but the string bits in the gathering tape are cr**p! They keep unravelling…… Maybe I need to get up and walk ……. Too cold and wet to go outside though!
Well I’m not well endowed at all anymore! But shockabsorber essential for running 😀
Jo, I live in a hilly area and my walks are brisk (average 4 mph) and, given the uphill sections, I think count as HIIT. So I’ve got a headstart on aerobic capacity and muscle strength.
Building up gradually is definitely a good idea, and incorporating a few ‘sprints’ or sections of fast-paced walking (adequately supported and without trip hazards!) will quickly see results without risking injury.
Too warm here today for running. Hoping it cools off this evening so I can get out… Sorry, upsidedowners….but how often do I get to say that 😊
Indeed we are P!
While I would agree that this weekend’s temperatures (24 degrees up north) are not necessarily too warm for strenuous exercise, you have to remember that is a very sudden and significant increase in temperature (a week ago it was single figure temperatures and snowing). So we’ve had no time to acclimatise.
Also it’s all relative of course, I’m sure if I lived in Australia I would agree with you. I count myself lucky that I don’t and we don’t experience your extreme temperatures 😎
You are right…a sudden change of temperature is difficult for anyone. It’s amazing how we become acclimatised though, isn’t it?
I enjoy the cooler seasons to enable more very active walking and running.
Enjoy your warmer weather finally arriving. Long may it last for you all. Salads, sandals and summer dresses? 🌞🌞 P
Hello from cold wet windy France
Glad for you up north sizzling!
A fasting Monday thought- if you are on a zero calorie fast and are cold like I am and you decide to warm up with a very big mug of hot water, aren’t you taking calories because the water is hot and calories are heat?? So the zero calorie fast isn’t that at all.
Is there an answer to my conandrum?
xx Wiwi
Hello,
Finally we have sunshine here and this week should be fine without rain.
I started my day not motivated at all. I have this ups and downs but started reading the thread and Fast it’s on as planned. I promised myself that May and June I should not let any obstacles interfere on my goal. Doing everything as planned 10 pounds should melt down.
My coffee today it’s a absolute treat! Put a little of 45cal per serving almond milk to keep me going and get busy.
Yes! Everything has a price and if you can’t stop eating don’t start then.
Be well there
Xoxo
B
Good afternoon everyone . I think summer is trying hard to get here . Gorgeous day here today 19 deg . First time out without a cardigan /jacket . Loving it . I am still maintaining and only go up OR down a few pounds . I have never said never to any food ( except ice cream ) 🙂 . But I never seem to think of bread now or pasta . I used to love bread . I have looked out my yonanas machine and yes it is nice but who am I kidding . Mackies honeycomb is my downfall . I don’t exercise and with the RA I don’t /not able to run or jog as I think I got 2 black eyes the last time . 🙂 wink wink lol.
Jim is due his heart scan tomorrow then hopefully it is all go for the op . He is getting fed up with all the waiting .
Enjoy the good weather everyone xx
Wee xx
Jojo get back into the swimming! I really dont think your hip will thank you for jogging and if it flares up again it will upset everything (sleep etc). I pay the gym membership as their pool is always quiet when I want to go, plus its warmer than the public pool! Swimming is so relaxing, easy on the knees and hips and if one wants to make an effort, can challenge your aerobic capacity too!
Wiwi trust your analytical brain to be thinking about the heat from your hot water! Sort of like the argument for eating raw celery and it taking more calories to digest than what it contains. I think research is needed! The heat from the water would be dissipated into your cold body as your body tries to warm itself. We need a physicist to tell us if that heat is the same as the heat generated by food digestion!! Even if it is, I am certain it would be used up in warming us and not interfere with our (lack of) digestion at a cellular level. Where are all the clever people- Happy? You must have some ideas about this!
Lovely to hear from you Weemam! Glad to hear the waiting is almost over for Jim – hopefully his test results will be great and he can get rid of that aneurysm for good!
Have a great day/night everyone. I hope Amazon is having fun in Rome!
Jojo I got a much better price by admitting I was a ‘senior’! We get a seniors card if over 60 and not working full-time. Great for discounts on things like this. Good luck! At least they dont eat sausage rolls around the pool!
Speaking of Spain, I have been wondering about Pentimento in (?) Portugal…. hope you are ok Penti, you have been uncharacteristically quiet…..
Well another lovely day has dawned up north! Sunny and warm, and yesterday’s galeforce wind has dropped.
Jo, I’m pleased your running went better today. I spoke too soon about mine! Saturday was clearly just a fluke. Last night was awful, too warm really, so windy I couldn’t catch my breath or pace myself, and my legs were really heavy.
On the upside (or down, depending on your point of view!) I might get away without a fast this week. I don’t know why, both swimming and cycling make me ravenous, but running suppresses my appetite.
If you want to improve your bridge, you will need to play more frequently than monthly I’m afraid and immerse yourself in it. Some newspapers have a bridge column, they’re worth reading. And I don’t know if you’ve got any books on the Acol bidding system, but well worth digesting.
Hello,
Looks like we are having a beautiful day here today. I went to bed at 10:30 and woke up rested so may well hunt in the post early.
My fast went smooth yesterday. I could only clean one room but as super detailed. Once a year I move the furniture around to do it right. With that I drank lots of liquid and was more like a 20 hour. I hate to think about to eat. Menu was the entire head of a romaine lettuce, 3 ounces of chicken and 1/4 cup of quinoa.
I survived this one!
Jojo you have an unbelievable full schedule.
Sarah a water fast and 36 hours!
Weeman hope there good news there.
RT thanks for the links.
GLAD everyone is doing well and trying.
Today more cleaning and yoga.
Xoxo
B
Another awful wet cold day in the south of France.
Now at 40 hours into my water only fast and my head is turning a bit, as f I have been drinking wine. Not unpleasant, but a bit strange. I am going to try to maintain the fast for another 24 hours, but no longer. Strangely I feel less hungry today than yesterday.
Any ideas on how to get rid of my floating sensation other than eating?
Weighed in this morning, but no change.
RT, I watched your links and I’d be frightened into fasting if I wasn’t convinced anyway. One amputation a week in Australia, because of diabetes related ulcers.
Horrible!
Let me quote Amazon to remind myself
“We fast for health, restrict calories to lose/maintain weight and exercise to tone our bodies”
Happy Day
XX Wiwi
Good morning from rain-soaked southern France, where my tulips look a bit bedraggled and the lilac refuses to fully flower.
Now 60 hours into the fast and feeling great. I will break it in about 7 hours.
The scales were happy, showing a 800g drop( 5600 calorie deficit), though that must be because I have been plateauing, as I can’t see how that is possible in 3 days where our TDEE is about 1500 cals. I did a 200 calorie romp on the treadmill yesterday, and some walking, but not enough to account for the calorie deficit.
Whatever.
Now 7 kilos from my upper range level, and BMI firmly under 30, never to rise above that again!
It’s housework time (which is good exercise too)
Happy Fasting
xx Wiwi
Wi, last week I went back to basics, 3 fasts, alternate days, and eating whatever I wanted in between…mind you, after 3 years, that’s pretty restrained! I dropped nearly 2kg and no risk of lowering my metabolism.
The fasts were easy and my waist reduced by 1cm. That’s why I’m trying to remind everyone to make sure you eat well between fasts.
P 😊
P,
Great result!
And you make a very important point. There are so many people across the forum who miss the point of intermittent fasting, thinking that just eating less and less is the answer, and effectively just turning 5:2 into yet another calorie- restricted diet. And we all know how successful they are long-term!
Yes Happy
Good point, timely reminder. However those of us who are not at maintenance yet need calorie restriction as well as IF. If we go back to first principles so to speak and Karen Varady’s experiment that on the ADF on the up days you can eat what you like, and still lose weight.I think that the qualitative aspect is ignored.
By doing IF, you become more attuned to what you need to eat, and not any old junk. You are eating better and not in such large quantities. The BSD is a calorie restricted diet with the old 3 meals a day which most of us have given up. However the range of things to eat is very wide and this is where it is useful.
I analyzed my 6 week experiment with BSD and my conclusion was that the ideas are great, but yes it was all too involved to do all one’s life. Jo found this- too much kitchen time. However it keeps me on nutritional track even though I am not a slave to it, and more than anything kick started me back to maintaining 4:3, after a undisciplined 3 week stay in Italy.
These long fasts are interesting studies, but a five day one like Jo did, rather worries me. I won’t do a 70 hour one again for a while, but a 40 hour one is fine.
As RT reminds us: “It is easier not to eat as that opens the floodgates of hunger”
xx Wiwi
Hi again Wi
We aren’t talking about maintenance but the weightloss phase.
It does seem important to eat your TDEE on non fast days. Not the Vardy idea of ADF with unlimited hamburgers and chips!
Daily calorie restriction runs the risk of your metabolism lowering so that you regain the weight. Fasting and feasting does not.
My comment was to suggest people go back to basics with how they approach this wol. Balance the lows with healthy highs.
You seem to be well and truly on the right track. Keep it up…you’re nearly there. 😊 P
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Nicky Emel and Aussie O in South Australia Nama in Victoria Bay in ACT PVE in NSW WiWi France Barata in NZ and Jojo HappyNow Amazon Herm Lizzy Ply Tartan lass Smiffy Weemam Lor_PA CakeyWakey Sarah103 HealthCoachB Tessy pen nib Iona72 Pentimento pranayama and Hello World (You All know Who You ARE) 😉
10660 steps in the bank this morning we have a lot of rain down here this week 15 mil the last week the land is looking green and beautiful the fire gently rolling and another fast day is here lets get our fast on people
“It is easier to avoid eating than to stop eating once started”
Peace RT
Hello,
I haven’t received any e-mails notification from the posts today and I thought it was weird. Well that little button bellow was uncheckded, dah!
Fast and Fest! Great point. I was always concerned how not to repordize my metabolism. I will make sure to be careful there.
Jo thanks for reminding us about how important the now is.
RT – I didn’t know in Australia diabetes was that bad. Looks like our SAD diet here.
Maryanne welcome! You have very experienced Folks here to give you great tips and support.
Fast postponed from tomorrow to Friday! The cleaning still going. Trying Zumba follows by Pilates in the morning. 😘
Xoxo
B
Hi Jo,
I am confused with what you have written – you say if you go over 1200 cals on non-fast days you gain weight, but in the next sentence you say you don’t restrict calories on non -fast days…. Sorry to nit pick, but I really am confused…
Your dream sounds horrible. I find scary movies do that to me so I avoid them. Recently had a dream about a spider that kept coming back all night. He was friendly and just wanted to play (more of a puppy than a spider), but the weird thing was that he was growing thru the dream and kept getting bigger! I got up really early as I was so sick of the dream recurring! Must have been overdoing it that week I think!
Good luck with you Northerners fasting today, my turn tomorrow! Still ‘undoing’ my big weekend!
Hope your Crows thrash the Cats RT!!
Jo,
Having been reading your thread since its inception, I am well aware of the struggles you have with weight loss.
The point P was making I think is that you need to remember the ‘intermittent’ in intermittent fasting. If you severely calorie restrict every day then you might as well be doing weight watchers as you certainly aren’t intermittent fasting!
P is a similar age to you, and has successfully lost a significant amount of weight and kept it off. Don’t fall into that trap of thinking ‘it’s all right for you, you’re thin, you’ve got no idea what it’s like for me, and nothing of relevance to tell me’!
And of course P’s point won’t have been intended solely for you! Do you really want newbies to think the extreme lengths you go are what everyone needs to do?!
Jo, I would never underestimate the huge gains you, and many others like Wi and Nicky, have made through your embracing of intermittent fasting.
What I was raising was the topic that has been all over this forum, the internet and mainstream media in the past couple of weeks: the implications of the Biggest Losers regaining their weight due to significantly slowed metabolisms as a result of daily calorie restrictions.
Dr Jason Fung wrote an excellent retort to the NYTs article which started the debate. His answer is that fasting, intermittently, as opposed to permanent calorie restriction allows your body to keep its metabolic rate up.
I think it is an important issue to understand.
5:2 and losing 30kg (me) and 33kg (him) was not easy and is still not easy to maintain. It takes a total change of diet, portion size, when to eat and regular fasting to maintain. But anything worth having is hard work.
I wish you, and the others, continued success with whichever path you choose.
Purple Vegie Eater
Jo,
If you gain an extra lb a day on holiday, without going ‘mad’, then you are either woefully underestimating calories consumed or your insulin level is chronically elevated (and don’t tell me you have normal blood sugar, read the Obesity Code!).
And I wasn’t suggesting that your five day fast was extreme (you made that leap!). In fact I think you should probably be zero calorie fasting for extended periods on a more regular basis in order to get your insulin levels low.
As P says, have a read of what’s been all over the forum (The Biggest Loser; long-term effects of constant calorie restriction; Jason Fung’s response). Food for thought 😀
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