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  • Nama, you’re right. But this madness didn’t start with big business, it started with a huge ego and bad science by Ancel Keys in America. If you’re interested, the best book is ‘The Big Fat Surprise’ by Nina Teicholz. Keys was determined to be the man who found the answer to heart disease and he ‘found’ it in our most ancient food (fat). He didn’t even consider smoking. At the same time a British scientist called John Yudkin said the evidence against sugar was far stronger, but Keys viciously abused and silenced him.

    Big business saw the marketing opportunity of low-fat and jumped onboard. I think vested interests now keeps the thing going. It’s the only explanation for what’s happening in Australia where doctors and sane nutritionists are silenced. Look at the list of sponsors of the Australian Dietary Association. What an appalling list!

    This morning I was in Sainsbury’s looking at the sugar-added junk fest that is the modern supermarket. I have American friends who tell me it’s genuinely difficult there to buy a decent full-fat yoghurt or more than one decent butter. Fotunately, that’s not the case here, but I looked at display after display of packs and cans loaded with added sugar. Six spoons in a soup, seven in beans and so on. And the result is 5,000 new diabetics diagnosed each week, who will then be told to eat mostly carbohydrates (glucose). Medieval.

    Nama and Bigbooty, you might like this short talk by Nina Teicholz. I’ve added another one that I think is good by a likeable woman professor of bio-chemistry and type 1 diabetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CHGiid6N9Q

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIebxoTx408

    Hi AV,

    Yes Ancel keys has a lot to answer for. Not sure if you have access to this article, try the link and see if it works.

    Cristin Kearns is a dentist (I think??) and stumbled onto old documents held in a local library. It was letters going back and forwards between the American Sugar Association and a senior researcher at Harvard medical school. It was a targeted and sustained attack to discredit anyone that would say that sugar was to blame for the increasing health problems. Fascinating reading. They knew the science was bad even back in the 70s but there was no way they were going to lose market share and sales of sugar without a fight.

    http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2548255

    Keys shamefully “cooked the books” by eliminating countries that had a high fat diet and low heart disease from his reports. When all of his data was included the results pointed to high sugar not fat as the culprit!

    Booty, It’s now known that the scientists who wrote a report casting doubt on the effect of sugar on ill health were paid and showed drafts to those paying their fee to ensure they were happy.

    One of the many tragedies of the Ancel Keys affair is that I think he had real ability, but it was overtaken by a desperate desire to be proved right and a ruthless streak that he was willing to use against far more scrupulous scientists. Nina Teicholz describes a crucial conference where the senior scientists of the day openly mocked Keys’ idea that fat caused heart disease. Keys left absolutely detemined to be proved right and let nothing stand in his way. His treatment of the quiet, thorough and scholarly John Yudkin was a disgrace. The flawed and wrong connection with heart disease can still be seen in the low-fat sugar-packed rubbish on every supermarket shelf.

    This nonsense has probably killed more people prematurely than half the wars of the twentieth century and the casualties are still coming in every day.

    One more thing . . .

    Towards the end of his life Ancel Keys had a conversation with Dr Stephen Phinney, who I regard highly. Keys told Phinney that he’d written a paper backtracking on the supposed harm of fat and saturated fat, perhaps recognising the scale of his mistake, but couldn’t get it published! The false religion he’d created now regarded his paper as heresy. The bias against science that found no connection with heart disease and fat became almost absolute and findings have been unpublished or hidden for fifty years. You might be interested in the Sydney Diet heart Study, 1966 – 1973, short article linked below.

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2016/04/13/greater-cholesterol-lowering-increases-the-risk-of-death/

    Nice link. Poor science is not just the domain of biology/medical research. It exists in all disciplines of science. Science is a sausage making machine. You just crank the handle and keep churning out the product. Its just that branch of science has a profound influence on human lives. Its become almost impossible for such societies to come out and say “Sorry, you know that advice we’ve been espousing for the last 40 years, well we got it wrong”. Not going to happen is it. Max Plank was right, science advances one death at a time.

    Booty, I’m sure you’re right that bad science isn’t exclusive to the medical and nutrition world, but that’s where the money (drugs) and agendas (vegetarian and vegan) are. Gary Taubes rightly described much nutritional science as pseudo science, with its weak and agenda-driven association studies. I watched a talk earlier tonight with Mara Kahn, an ex-vegan journalist, who says how dishonest their supposed ‘science’ is, yet two of them have now taken over writing the guidelines for the American Dietary Association. Fanatics only tire when ill health sets in.

    Some science is free of this nonsense. I haven’t seen it in engineering, my original field, because bridges collapse or planes crash when you mess with the real world. It takes thousands of drug-related deaths before the alarm bells even begin to ring. Vioxx, for example.

    Hi:

    Seems it may not be a slower metabolism that ’causes’ weight to be regained – it may be increased appetite: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20161014/how-your-appetite-can-sabotage-weight-loss?src=RSS_PUBLIC#1

    That’s so interesting thanks Simco. Tick for lifetime 5:2ing I think!

    Hi:

    Vegetarian diets may not be more heart healthy than diets that allow meat: http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20161018/are-vegetarian-diets-heart-healthier?src=RSS_PUBLIC#1

    Hi:

    Another study, this one aimed at people over 65, that shows resistance training (like weight lifting) by itself does not cause weight loss or improvement in ‘metabolic markers’, but reduced calories causes both weight loss and material improvement in those markers: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/10/20/cutting-calories-may-dial-back-metabolic-syndrome-in-older-adults.html

    Americans believe that obesity is tied with cancer as the biggest health threat in the nation today. But though scientific research shows that diet and exercise are insufficient solutions, a large majority say fat people should be able to summon the willpower to lose weight on their own.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=fb-nytimes&mccr=NovHighADLowMC&mcdt=2016-11&subid=NovHighADLowMC&ad-keywords=AudDevGate&_r=0

    Another interesting article in the never ending search for the reasons, and treatment for obesity. This particular research, funded by the American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery, (no financial interest there then.) says that obesity in America is a result of environmental and genetic dispositions and not the fault of the individual. Well, if the environment is full of the hard sell of unhealthy foods like high sugar content fizzy drinks, fast food burger joints, larger portion meals and free sugary drink refills then yes, the environment has a massive impact on weight and health. In this article there are several links to weight loss and health that are worth reading. In an Italian village many inhabitants live long healthy and sexually active lives in old age. Researchers suggest this may well be a result of a healthy diet that includes a particular type of herb, Rosemary. Yet another article focused on the reduction of high sugary fizzy drinks on an American college campus. One particular lady lost 5lb in weight merely by cutting out high sugar content drinks from her daily diet. What it shows is that as individuals there is likely to be no one cause of obesity but given the lack of professional knowledge in the medical world it is left to the individual to seek out the best way to lose weight and live a happier and healthier life style. For myself and my experience it is a simple matter of willpower, healthy food in coupled with the right type and amount of food equals a healthier life style and weight loss.
    Thank you for the article Cinque.
    Good luck to you all out there.

    Although renowned for creating delight in children, farts are not considered the best way to make friends and influence people. But there is an upside: the production of gas means that your body is hosting the right kinds of bacteria. To encourage these ‘good’ bugs – known as our microbiome – we need to eat fibre.

    https://blog.csiro.au/22424-2/

    Hi Cinque, your “fart” post is interesting. It made me go to Google Scholar, enter “Effects of Fibre on gut health” and a number of interesting articles appeared, some quite long but also some interesting abstracts (much easier to digest!!!). At the moment I am reading an easily readable book “GUT” by Giulia Enders which explains so much about how our gut microbes affect our health. (I can recommend it as a good health read.) She agrees with your comments. “People who never need to break wind are starving their gut bacteria and are not good hosts for their microbe guests”. She also goes on to remind her readers that antibiotics, taken by many to combat certain illness kill gut bacteria a statement also confirmed by a clinical dietician I recently visited. Anti Histamine I was told, also has a negative effect on gut bacteria so it is important to gain an understanding that the effects of some medication has on our gut health.
    Inulin, a pure prebiotic which can be bought at the chemist is said to be effective at feeding our gut bacteria.
    Keep the info coming.
    Good luck to you all out there.

    Thanks Couscous!

    Why Australian dietary recommendations on fat need to change

    https://theconversation.com/why-australian-dietary-recommendations-on-fat-need-to-change-67543

    Why frequent dieting makes you put on weight – and what to do about it

    https://theconversation.com/why-frequent-dieting-makes-you-put-on-weight-and-what-to-do-about-it-69329

    Dr. Mark Mattson (found that mice who were bred to develop Alzheimer’s and were forced to intermittently fast, lived long and didn’t develop symptoms until they were near death) went on to study the effects of IF on humans by measuring brain function and cognition. Those findings underscore the mice study and explained here…

    https://sa.fightdementia.org.au/sa/about-us/news/intermittent-fasting-may-improve-brain-function

    Oh dear I am stuffing it up with my easier maintenance fasts!

    If you didn’t happen to catch this excellent documentary on Alzheimer’s on SBS Australia, it’s worth watching! It’s still available via SBS On Demand for another couple weeks. Though fasting isn’t mentioned (which is a bit of a shame given Mattson’s research) it sheds light on maybe why fasting acts as a preventative measure. Putting 2 and 2 together my guess is that IF helps clear the brain or even prevents the production of ‘Tao’ another catalyst in the development on Alzheimer’s.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/748239939773/curing-alzheimers

    Actually in relation to my above post, what I suspected about IF and ‘Tao’ appears to be correct according to this interview with Mark Mattson. What I heard as pronounced ‘Tao’ I think is actually ‘mTor’ protein… At 27:36 in the interview Mark Mattson explains, “During the bio-energetic challenge of exercising or fasting, autophagy is increased; in part by inhibiting mTOR. Cells go into a protective mode, reducing overall protein synthesis, and at the same time, improving their ability to remove “molecular garbage.”

    28:55: The cells’ recovery period is important for increased protein synthesis, and the growth of muscle cells, dendrites and new synapses.

    What I found most interesting in reading this interview with Mattson is what his own diet comprises of…

    33:04: Mattson himself practices time-restricted feeding. For four to five days a week, he doesn’t eat breakfast or lunch. Then he will eat after working out and in the evening. “I think I’m more productive this way.” Following this regimen, he has also maintained the same body weight for thirty years.

    37:00: Mattson’s diet includes fruits, veggies, nuts, fish, yogurt, whole grains, and beans. “At least half my calories are from complex carbohydrates.”

    Here’s the link if you’d like to read the whole interview transcript:

    https://www.ihmc.us/stemtalk/episode007/

    Why so many people regain weight after dieting

    Why is it so hard to lose weight and keep it off? Weight loss often leads to declines in our resting metabolic rate – how many calories we burn at rest, which makes it hard to keep the weight off. So why does weight loss make resting metabolism go down, and is there a way to maintain a normal resting metabolic rate after weight loss? As someone who studies musculo-skeletal physiology, I will try to answer these questions.

    https://theconversation.com/why-so-many-people-regain-weight-after-dieting-65095

    Seven essential tips to breaking up with sugar

    Global recognition is building for the very real health concerns posed by large and increasing quantities of hidden sugar in our diets. This near-ubiquitous additive found in products from pasta sauces to mayonnaise has been in the headlines and in our discussions. The seemingly innocuous sweet treat raises eyebrows from community groups to policy makers – and change is in the air.

    https://theconversation.com/seven-essential-tips-to-breaking-up-with-sugar-69439

    Anyone got any questions relating to Inulin? This should have it covered.

    Ultimate FAQ Guide to Inulin.
    90+ questions dedicated to how, what, when, why, where, which, who and many more.

    https://www.supplementplace.co.uk/blog/ultimate-faq-guide-to-inulin.html.

    From the author, “We get so many questions relating to inulin, we decided to create the ultimate FAQ guide as a resource for all our customers, as well as the World Wide Web. So if your question is HOW, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE, WHICH related, we would like to think we have it covered.”

    Hope it is helpful, was for me…

    CLBetter, thanks for posting about inulin. I am wondering if there are any concerns about inulin products from China — even if marked “organic.” The article does not address this, but I’ve seen a lot of comments in Amazon.

    I’ve also noted that some companies source from Belgium.

    Here is an interesting one on the psychology of learning new habits (making 5:2 part of life is incorporating a new habit!). Timely too, Happy New Year!

    https://theconversation.com/a-behaviourists-guide-to-new-years-resolutions-69221

    An international team of researchers from Spain and the UK has found that the protein TLR2 (Toll-like receptor 2) — a critical detector of the microbiota found in the intestine — regulates levels of serotonin, a neurotransmitter intimately connected to the brain’s regulation of appetite, sleep, and mood.

    http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/gut-microbiota-physiology-04500.html

    Here is an interesting page which explains the benefits of ‘resistant starch’ as found in cooled cooked potatoes. The beauty of resistant starch is that it doesn’t break down to glucose. It isn’t broken down at all in the body, but instead it becomes food for the gut microbiome in the colon. The gut bacteria digest the resistant starch into short-chain fatty acids, which are absorbed by the body.

    Feeding the good gut bacteria – and the cells of the intestinal lining – seems to be able to affect hormone levels in the body (GLP-1 etc.), that in turn has an effect on blood sugar regulation and insulin sensitivity.

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/category/food/resistant-starch

    Shifting what we remember shifts what we eat:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150121-a-memory-trick-to-lose-weight

    A really interesting article Onel!

    Early research, but interesting!

    You know the feeling; you head out for a pub lunch at work, or a big dinner on the weekend – and then end up curled up on the couch or staring blankly at your computer screen as your food coma kicks in.

    But while the feeling is often blamed on carbs, a new study conducted in the US suggests that it is protein and salty foods that cause sleepiness after eating a big meal, rather than carbohydrates.
    Read more:
    http://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2017/01/30/maybe-its-not-carbs-causing-your-food-coma-after-all

    Mediterranean diet can help in fight against depression, Australian study finds

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-31/mediterranean-diet-can-help-in-fight-against-depression-study/8224522

    The CSIRO (Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) research on dieting came up with 5 types of dieters.

    https://blog.csiro.au/loosening-diet-expectations-might-stop-derailing-diets/

    I currently have some reservations about how this CSIRO study is presented, primarily because it might feed into unhelpful stereotyping. This study, as presented, verges on the type of finger pointing which the food manufacturers and marketers would love, because the pointed finger is aimed nowhere near them. This might be misdirected and even misleading science, and presentation of science? And this might come from requiring scientists (like CSIRO scientists) to fund themselves increasingly through associations with commercial organisations whose aim is to make us consume more? Coca Cola would love this study and how it is presented.

    There are major physiological changes that occur to people on Western diets. To suggest otherwise is to ignore the evidence. These physiological changes impact on many things, including cravings. To simplistically classify people as (for example) cravers, and end there, is to ignore and dismiss these causes.

    As a race, we have not transformed from non-obese (middle of last century) to obese (now) simply because of the strength of our willpower, or because natural selection has weeded out the non-cravers. A baby conceived in 2000 has a hugely greater risk of becoming obese compared to a baby conceived in 1900. This suggests studies (like this one) looking into inherent differences between the natures of people to explain obesity are missing the point. The changed environment is what has overwhelmingly driven this change. Surely.

    If the CSIRO want to investigate cravings, I would hope they would focus on identifying the underlying causes of cravings. I fear that, increasingly, this investigation will not happen (or will be unpublished/buried) if their masters are food companies or the like.

    Here’s what happens to your brain when you give up sugar for Lent

    https://theconversation.com/heres-what-happens-to-your-brain-when-you-give-up-sugar-for-lent-37745

    Research by Valter Longo and others showing fasting (called a fasting-mimicking diet) being used to reverse diabetes in mice.

    Amazingly, the reversal included regeneration of beta cells in the pancreas and associated restoration of destroyed insulin production capabilities. Appears to have major potential implications for both type 1 and type 2 diabetes.

    As benefits of the fasting appears to include a mimicking of production of stem cells, this may also have wider implications for other diseases.

    Note: Valter Longo was interviewed by Michael Mosley in the TV program leading to the 5:2 diet. From memory, he was the one who suggested to Michael the 5:2 diet to enable better compliance.

    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-02/cp-dmo021617.php

    http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30130-7

    Correction, I think it was Mark Mattson, another researcher interviewed, not Valter Longo, who suggested 5:2 to Michael.

    Valter Longo is a recognised expert in the field of ageing and fasting research.
    As a result of his research and experience I understand that he is connected to the development of a firm developing, producing and hopefully marketing a product called L. Nutra. I believe this is a low protein, low sugar, low calorie product that has its origins in the research that Valter Longo is connected with.
    Reading some of the recent research documents it seems that L.Nutra or a similar product has been used in the research. The product is taken over a 5 day fasting regime resulting in the positive results alleged.
    If the human trials are finally ratified and passed by the relevant medical and health and food authorities then I believe we may soon see the product L.Nutra being marketed aimed at those at risk or with conditions such as t2 diabetes.
    What the costs of the product will be remains to be seen but I guess it will not be cheap.
    Good luck out there.

    Thanks Znj13 I hope you get lots of participants!

    Mediterranean diet may reduce risk of form of breast cancer – study

    Eating plenty of nuts, fruit and fish may cut risk of getting oestrogen-receptor-negative cancer, Dutch research finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/06/mediterranean-diet-may-reduce-risk-of-form-of-breast-cancer-study

    Thanks I hope so too 🙂

    Humans have three times more brown body fat

    A study of 3,000 PET-Scans yields new data on the proportion of brown fat

    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/tuom-hht030117.php#.WLykreENmaU.reddit

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