Hey just thought
What it we invent a hover sofa , no pressure, no fat bum?
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applecrisp: the”worried about your health” brigade make me want to puke. They are usually smug, stick-insect individuals who have never had a weight problem in their skinny little lives.
They are in the same league as the health fascists who appear to think that paedophiles and kiddy-porn pushers are more worthy of their approval than smokers. I speak from experience as a former smoker. Thanks to vast improvements in quit-smoking aids, I finally succeeded at my 10th attempt and will soon begin my 13th smoke-free year.
I always swore I would be kind to smokers and make them welcome in my home. I’ve managed to keep to it but there are so few of them around I rarely have to put my good intentions into practice.
Deprived of smokers to bully, these patronising individuals who want to find someone to whom they can be mean and judgemental while feigning concern have turned their attention to those of us carrying the odd extra pound or twenty. There was a time when I was too timid to tell the judgemental brigade where to go. Not any more. I can smell them a mile away. None of my present friends are like this. Had they been they wouldn’t have lasted the 10, 20, 30 or even more years of wonderful friendship that most of them have.
Arla–if you haven’t stepped away yet, this post is for you: I totally support you in taking a break from actively following the forums if that might be helpful for you. You know best what serves you, and I can only imagine your frustration with the health challenges that get in the way of your determined, laudable efforts to reduce your weight, as well as the discouragement of having to hear about others’ successes when you have yet to experience it, despite your best efforts. You are a delightful, intelligent contributor, and I only hope that I’ve squeaked in one last message to you for now to let you know that there will be many, many people sending you good thoughts and sincere hopes for a satisfying turn in your progress. Your determination really inspires me, as well as your honesty and self-awareness. Good luck to you; this forum will be here if ever it feels like a good time to visit.
Love curvy!
I tend to use fat because every doctor etc I’ve seen lately always corrects me and say it has such negative connotations. I guess it can do but it just seems accurate to me. I feel I am fat. I wish I was curvy though but I’m a bit like an apple.
I wonder if it’s like many groups. If you are in the group you can use very basic terms but it is more hurtful if people outside the group use them?
Well just thoughts 🙂
Unfortunately skinny (and unhealthily so) has been made the new benchmark for young women, teens & even tweens by horrid fashion gurus using painfully thin models (remember ‘heroin chic’? – How weird was that?!) The new(ish) must have is a thigh gap where there is a crotch wide gap at the top of the thighs. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen (and most young men I have spoken to dislike it as well).
Whatever happened to the celebration of full-bodied women. Peter Paul Rubens often made them the subjects of his art – take a look at “The Three Graces”, an oil painting of 3 naked women – talk about big bums!! That look was seen as desirable in 1635 – now it’s just met with derision.
If you are unfamiliar with the painting you can see it in the Museo del Prado in Madrid (or more inexpensively by going here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Three_Graces,_by_Peter_Paul_Rubens,_from_Prado_in_Google_Earth.jpg 😀 )
I know there are times when someone I’m close to like my brother and he is in a down mood, I want to make it better and I can’t. So it hurts me as well. My upset today was a cousin who has liver disease-diagnosed very quickly and now quite severe. She is a lot older than me. She was my godmother and good to me. But our relationship is awkward.
I was overwhelmed by the thought she is in the same nursing home my aunt is in -her mother. I know this week-end or next we should visit as she is only about an hours drive. It hit me so hard this morning. Life changes so fast. Just being emotional and I will blame it on hormones.
P. Boo Boo glad you’re happy with your paint colors they can really be hard to pick out. Sounds like you used bold colors that worked out. I think Yank is a good term but I’m from the north.
Hi Applecrisp,
Sorry to hear you have received bad family news. Hope the hormones settle soon.
Can I chime in on a comment you made to P Boo Boo? I can speak for Australia in that older Aussies use “Yank” as a term of endearment for people from mainland USA (and we use “septic” – as in “septic tank” – if we want to be nasty). Pommies are the Brits – from POHM, an anagram of “Prisoner of Her Majesty”. Both terms’ usage has pretty much died out over the years. My Dad (who died well over 10 years ago) was born in 1908 (15 years older than my Mum) and he used those terms ALL the time. I’ve also heard “Yank” used in many British films & tv shows set around and following WWII and it is always used in reference to Americans (ie US) in general.
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True, not sure a southern lady would like Yank… even here near Boston its a bit close to Yankees. They are a baseball team we all love to hate.
Only teasing. There’s a saying about names… ” you can call me anything, just don’t call me late for dinner…” So far I have done well with making dinner, I sip on warm broth and clean up while they are eating. Quite often I am out working during dinner time, but as I am self employed I don’t have a set schedule, so I make sure dinner is made 75% of the time. Otherwise I am likely to get home at 9 pm and find the kids up and unfed.
Ripcurlgirl, funny about terms and how many die out. One thing for sure Americans love your accents. I have a hard time placing some of them. But as my neice said when I admired a burlap stool that had the Eifel tower on it ,”just slap the Eiffel Tower on anything to make it classy. ” And we agreed that an English accent would make anything sound classy.
With the same two nieces we were watching a Cary Grant movie and they were quite surprised He was from the UK as they couldn’t detect an accent. Just thought it was obvious. When I first saw him as a young girl I thought “Why does Rock Hudson have an accent”? I love old movies.
Thanks guys, I feel better and it is late. Good night.
Speedy, I am like you….pretty much curvy in one spot only (and I sit on it).
I would like to say how wonderful I think you all are to reach out a hand to Aria and offer her a soft place to land. Hopefully she will be back for the friendship and support, because in all honestly, I don’t see a whole lot of news of success going on. Its a tough haul after 50 and a lot of retracing the same worn out path. But there is little other option, as the choices are limited. You laugh together and slog on, or just collapse in a heap. We all fully understand the times you just don ‘t want to deal with it all. And a break then is a good thing.
And yes PBooBoo Yank is just fine with me. The term has a long pedigree and I am proud to own it for better or worse. Off to scare up some dinner (do you Brits scare up dinner? Its funny, now I am looking at each crazy term I use wondering if the gals on the other end think me nuts). By the way…..my clock shows 7:25 EDST as I sign off. Always intersting to see how that compares with the time stamp from the Forum. Whose time is it anyway….London?
Good morning all (late morning here in Adelaide)
Regarding the term ‘fat’ and less offensive alternatives, I love Alexander McCall Smith’s ‘traditionally built’ referring to his heroine Precious Ramotswe.
About 15 years ago at menopause I was putting on weight, also because of inaction caused by my knee osteoarthritis. I had also recently moved interstate and was unhappy and homesick.
The dr I saw about my knees pretty much said it was my fault my knees hurt because I was so overweight! I don’t see her now (slim, young, blonde, …). The reality was that my knees hurting and menopause had been the prime causes of the weight gain. She claimed ‘middle-aged spread’ was a myth!
I felt somewhat vindicated when the orthopaedic surgeon I saw said that I almost certainly had arthritic knees from extended running on hard surfaces and playing lots of twisting sports like squash, basketball and netball when I was younger (and lots skinnier).
Fasting today, Monday went well. Off to weight training this afternoon.
Keep up the good work everyone.
I posted this on Annette’s thread, but I think we need it, too:
Hello ladies,
I watched Frozen- a Disney film, with my grandchildren yesterday. One of the main themes was about accepting yourself and enjoying who you are.
There’s a breakthrough song where one of the characters transforms into a strong woman who loves being herself. My three year old grandson said
that she used to be medium, but now she’s large. About damn time!
Good morning from the UK, on accents I love the soft Southern Irish accent, my Grandmother came from there so I guess it’s in the jeans. Anything harsh, gutteral is not for me, simply can’t listen to it. I have several American and Australian friends and my lot have married into both continents. Can’t keep the Irish out you know. I have a typical London posh accent, pronunciation the queen would be proud of but it’s not too posh bird. My parents were very strict about grammar and pronunciation and I therefore tortured my own children. They always laugh when they know they have offended my ear. I do try to ignore it but it’s like finger nails on a chalk board to me. I sure they will be a lot more relaxed with their children. I love the term yanks as it brings back fond memories of Sunday afternoon films about WW2 and our gallant rescuers without whom we would now be speaking German. It’s a fact. I guess the next danger is China for us. Apparently there are more Chinese learning English at any one time than there are people in the whole of the UK. Now that I find slightly scary but I guess flattering for such a small island. I personally love learning languages. If Only I could learn the language of restraint with food I would be ‘made up’ to coin an Irish term. Good Luck friends from around the world another fast day in front of me. No more time to wax lyrical before work.
Hey JoJo,
I find your comment re the estimation of the number of Chinese learning English being a “little scary”, a little scary. What is wrong with learning a 2nd language? Whether or not you meant it, your comment sounds incredibly xenophobic to me. Plus, it is hardly “flattering” to a “small isle” – do you have any idea how many people in the world have English as their 1st language? All because it is called “English” doesn’t mean you have exclusive rights to it. Remember all those colonies – North America (including parts of Canada), New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ghana… India!! Crikey – how many are there!! BTW it is also the 1st language of the science community world-wide (my son is a research scientist who frequents overseas conferences, and has many professors from all over the world visit his university, so I know this to be true).
Why do you find Chinese people learning to speak English scary?? They have one up on many, many English who refuse to learn, for example, French even though France is only a few hours away by train of car (even less by plane).
Sorry for the rant-like post but there are some things that hit a raw nerve in me. BTW I am a white Anglo-Irish Australian born of “regal” heritage – my great great grandfather (mother’s side) was transported as a convict to Australia in 1836. Years ago no-one would want anyone to know they were related to a convict – now it is a mark of honour to know at least one of your ancestors didn’t invade this beautiful land and steal it from the original owners – the Aborigines. My Dad was 15 years older than my Mum & his father died when he was a child and his Mum died before MY Mum met him so we know nothing of his side of the family except that there were 2 brothers – both farmers – that shipped out to “free, settled” Australia. One became a rich beef baron, the other did not – guess which side I’m from (yep – pauper).
Hi ripcurlgirl, not xenophobic at all, apologies if you are offended, no harm meant. I was voicing an opinion, you have every right to disagree with it. I am glad you are proud of your heritage as I am mine. I speak two languages actually. It’s the scale that concerns me, we don’t have a good job market here and I worry for the future. It’s natural.
Hi not sure I have posted here before, lots of lovely ladies. I love the phrase “curvey” even though it is very complimentary as I am more than that. I am having a medical test on Friday, if the Dr. tells me I am fat and need to lose weight I think I will hit him with my crutch!!! Have recently had a hip replacement.
Anyway. I shall be back as I am battling with 5:2 exploring 16:8 but not really sure I understand it, help.Happy fasting tomorrow.
My certain age is nearly 70 and I live in Perth.
Hi PreciousBooBoo,
Sorry I should have replied earlier about the living room colour, it sounds very exotic, I had a black feature wall in my house. Sounds ghastly but there were white double doors in the middle and some contrasting prints around the door frames. I am not sure what to do at the moment but plan to start in two weeks time, school holidays. It will be nice to do something creative I may even paint my own pictures for display, I am a big fan of abstract art. We have a Mondrian Exhibit coming to the area soon, that should inspire me. I understand that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea though. Actually I quite like the colour of tea, perhaps I should start with that! I think horizontal stripes are fashionable. Strong tea, weak tea combo? I can’t handle anything vibrant at the moment, too emotional. I do have an electric heater but I find the noise unpleasant if the fan is on, looks good though, coal flame effect. I may buy a garden log burner for those summer evenings in my tiny little back yard.
Sorry if I caused a rant on your thread, no harm intended.
Actually my daughter decided that 5:2 is not for her and she is now on 1000 cals 6 out of 7 days. If it works for her I may join her, 1200 cals didn’t work last year. Fasting is hard work and if like me you have to calorie count on other days it probably isn’t an ideal diet. I will give it until the end of March. I’ve enjoyed chatting with you all.
Hi Mikayla,
You sound like my kind of person. How I’d love to clobber the quack with a crutch! Some of them richly deserve it. Hope you have a speedy recovery from your recent op.
When you said you were from Perth, I immediately, and incorrectly, thought of Perth, Scotland. Not only is it a fine city with some fabulous highland landscapes close by, it’s also home to probably the best chippie (fish and chip shop) in the UK. No doubt a terrible temptation to any locals counting calories – although maybe a treat a couple of times a year is permissable.
Hippy, followed by punk, then back to hippy, because that’s where my heart lies. Ahhh, those were the days, carefree, young and slim, (never been skinny). Still a hippy at heart, but with more common sense now! Am having the greatest struggle yet with this WOE. Will persevere until hols in July then see what happens.
So you were a hippy, too, toms. Far out! I remember it well. Wafting around with an Afro-perm in a cloud of patchouli oil, designed to cover the smell of wacky backy. And back then munchies had nothing to do with abstemious eating. As a late developer, I caught up with hippydom in the early 70s and stuck with it right through uni, missing out punk completely. I remember having my heart broken by a younger bloke with a mullet, loon pants and a smelly Afghan coat. Funnily enough I found him online, now a very straight “suit” in IT journalism and not wearing at all well.
Some of it sticks with me to this day. Apart from books and earrings I’m not at all acquisitive, I still have more faith in alternative than conventional medicine. And when I eventually go, hopefully not until 90+, I want them to play the first 15 minutes of Floyd’s Shine on You Crazy Diamond. You can imagine how thrilled I was last time the great-nephews were here when the elder one sat quietly in the corner gently picking out the guitar part from the title track, Wish You Were Here.
To PreciousBooBoo,
Contemporary look eh, I stand corrected. In terms of fashion history :
I too started as a skinhead at 15/16 but moved quickly to rock chick which is where I stayed for ten years. I have always had a weakness for black and red together throughout my fashion journey. My hair has changed from short spikey and black to a hot red ‘page boy’ and finally to a cool smooth longish blonde which can be either straight or curly depending on my mood. Shoes have gone fron Dr Martins boots, to high fashion platforms followed by assorted sandals and flip flop years including Dr Schols(remember those evil lumps of wood) occasionally they would slip forward and decimate your insole. Then I had children, went up a whole shoe size and now only buy comfy shoes, usually crocodile skin look with a low heel. Survived the bunions that many of my friends suffer, thank goodness. Favourite music Pink Floyd, and Cream for listening and 70’s and 80 ‘s disco. Enjoy strong female singers like Barbra Streisand, Elkie Brooks and even a bit of country like Dolly Parton. Favourite film Truely, Madly Deeply (such passion-so sad)
@ JoJo – No offense taken at all
@ toms – Punk girl through & through here. Steve & I would spend every night going to punk gigs. We went to the US in 1985 purely to see Dead Kennedys – they came to Australia first so we saw them here & in San Francisco. Still love a lot of indie music (really loved Pixies & Nirvana) especially raw, garage stuff. Ah, the late 70’s – the time when anyone could learn a few chords & form a band. The lyrics were generally political or social and the songs were very short – can’t stand long-winded songs!! “Kashmir” by Led Zepplin is a great song ruined by its 8 min 28 sec length (even longer than “Stairway to Heaven” but not as boring).
To jojo58: I do understand how you feel about a huge and sudden change. I think a lot of folks in the US feel the same about the massive Latino migration happening here from Mexico, El Salvador and on the east coast Cuba and Puerto Rico. They are wonderful people, hard workers (as immigrants often are) bring wonderful new foods and music with them, etc. Lots of pluses. But when you hear more of a foreign tongue in your neighborhood stores than you own language it does rattle you a bit. I think everyone likes a bit of change, but TOO much change too fast is rough on a lot of people. But its going to happen ….cultures shift and blend. And frankly in the US unless you are a native Indian, your folks moved in on someone else’s terrirory way back when as well.
To PBooBoo: your living room colors sound bold and confident.
Hermaj, wacky backy, don’t know what you mean! And the man I met at the height of my early hippiedom is still my other half, although the hair is short now and he has to wear a suit. Mostly now I’m not working I still look like a bloody student, but way over the hill! Felt like having a sacrificial burning of my work clothes but too staid now. Oh, how we change physically, yet the heart stays the same. Still have the same convictions though.
Ripcurlgirl, yes, Kashmir! Still love it, but as you say, too long. Wow, what a trip that must have been to San Fran. I’ve found a new appreciation of classical and opera now, which were my parents preference when I was a kid, which you always turn your back on, of course. But it has never left me though, and now I can be seen at concerts and gigs alike. Still like the heavier stuff really. My son, who is now 40, still plays drums in a death metal band, but my taste doesn’t run to that. Ah, how I remember him constantly tapping away on the dining table and wanting to rap his knuckles with a ruler! Those were the days.
I totally understand the slow weight loss , but remember the long term effects on health, my story is the same, I’m 57 other side of the menopause , 5’1 described by many as buxom! I started gaining weight in my late 40’s arrived at 11 st 6lb and said that’s enough ! I was always athletic and active. So when I saw Michael Mosley on the Horizon documentary about this diet I was thrilled as I thought it would be a walk in the park.. However like you I had what seemed like a nice 3lb loss first week, then nothing!
So I started walking for hour n twenty hour half an hour whenever I could find the time, did it in all weathers started in the heavy slippery snow so it got easier when spring arrived last year,
in September I started looking at support groups and found the fast 5 thinking it was the same as the 5:2, but it slightly differs , you eat for 5 hours a day every day, so you don’t feel hungry, no I tell a lie , it took me a week to get used to not having breakfast, then working out the 5best hours to eat for most it is anytime from 1pm-6pm or 2-7Pm
now weigh 10 stone, but this year have not managed to get any walking in on a regular basis, still slow , but a loss is a loss , you can mix n match these diets to suit your lifestyle.
The info is on Facebook with a free download of the PDF file and it’s benefits The fast 5 , worth a read and may work better for you, I’ve been doing it from sep. 2013 I was stuck at 10.6 stone now stuck on 10stone but as you see the trend is down so it will take as long again to reach my goal , I’m going to start walking again now the spring is upon us. Let me say this the stomach shrinking feeling after 6 month on this diet is a bonus you truly get used to eating less and enjoying the food you do eat, Make no mistake that the food you do eat should be of a healthier rather than comfort eating .
Hi BooBoo,
It was thought that the Poms whinged and whined about everything but that was back when Aussies had that “She’ll be right, mate” lay-back, larrikin attitude to everything and never complained about a thing. Now Australians are THE BIGGEST whingers on earth. They love to say we live in the best country on the planet and then, in the next breath, whinge about some aspect of it. Makes my blood boil!!
I will have a gripe about things that are out of my hands – like a government I didn’t vote for making decisions for me that I have never agreed with etc. But things like transport and traffic – just a part of everyday life. They even moan when they are taken off a flight that might have mechanical problems !! People even cried when they couldn’t get on a flight when Eyjafjallajökull erupted because they were missing their holiday! Oh, boo hoo – grrrr!
Whinging rant finished 🙂
Cheers, Kim
Hello @preciousbooboo
We speak at last, I have been reading your posts for months. I am a crone rather than a LOACA, well out the other side of “the change” with the chin hairs to prove it lol.
Anyway, 5:2 and Fast-5; I did 5:2 for 4 months up to Christmas, did well, lost 12 lbs. 5:2 taught me how to fast, how to experience waves of hunger, go to bed hungry and not wake up hungry, have more control of what I eat generally and make better food choices.
While all this was going on I learnt about Fast-5. My initial thought was that it was a bit much to have to do it every day. I was also cutting down a lot on my sugars and grains, which I found it quite easy to do.
I did 5:2 by doing 2 x 36-hour liquid fasts and eating freely (not pigging out) on feed days. Not one calorie counted. Refuse to do it, as I do not believe in the calorie is a calorie approach, I am definitely an Atkins follower in that respect, so I exercise restraint in what I eat, not how much.
Anyway, long story short, went food shopping on a fast day just before Christmas which I never did before and failed the fast. So as it was evening before I ate I decided to call it my first Fast-5 day. Then I had to decide what to do next, try fasting next day, just do the one fast that week etc. I decided to Fast-5 for a week and see how it went.
4 months in and I am loving it. Lost another 7 lbs. I am losing slowly but that’s to be expected as my BMI is in the low 22s already. The hunger is no worse than on 5:2 and at 3 o’clock I get to eat, healthy stuff first, until I am full. Then at 8, or even earlier, I stop eating, still full. I still eat lower carb and honestly don’t miss bread, cakes, rice, pasta etc though would eat cake, dessert on the odd special occasion. I can exercise OK before I eat, I have done a 10 mile ramble of a morning.
As a WOE it would not suit 5:2ers who need small meals throughout their fast days.
I am surprised at how much easier for me to do this after doing 3 months of strictly low carb. I tried Brad Pilons eat stop eat, but on this “fast” I can have my coffee in the am, even on fast days. The window for eating has to be later for me, bad habit I know, but if I don’t have coffee with a bit of cream in the am and a little something in the evening, the struggle is every day.
I have a long way to go to see how this works, but I notice my chicken cutlets look a bit smaller….
Hi All,
This is my last week of fasting, did three months and lost one stone in the first two months, then lost interest and thereby stopped trying really, pretty much the same as other diets so trying something new, limited 1000 calories 6 days per week but no recording( all pre planned), no idea how it will go but I will get a nice Sunday lunch. I will get back to you in one month to note your progress and let you know mine. I guess I am just a three meals a day kind of girl and I like a new challenge.
I have learned a lot from it and will carry forward fruit teas and lemon water each day. Bread is a once per week treat now not a daily occurrence. Cholesterol down but my temper on fast days not pleasant for my colleagues. Good luck to all for the future.
If I put on weight I may come back so watch this spot.
Here’s to a big loss in my last week, 100 % effort, aiming high for 2 pounds, be nice to go out on a high. The good weather is here so I will be even more active.
Thanks to everyone for your support, it’s a great thread.
Good morning @applecrisp
You asked what I eat on the Fast-5 WOL. A lot of people on it do start out with a salad and fruit snack and then eat their normal family dinner later in their window. I am not quite that organised, I will have a lot of food towards the beginning and then either a big snack towards the end or snack on nuts for a while.
This is what I ate last Saturday
Large bowl of salad dressed with lemon fish oil and Apple cider vinegar
Spinach omelette 3 medium eggs
Pistachios
Chunk of cheese
Dessert made by stirring cocoa powder, hazelnut butter and raspberries into Greek yoghurt.
All quite low carb. Low Carb is the second string to my bow. Because I fast I get away with being less strict on the carbs than if I was doing Atkins properly.
My window is 3 to 8, I started at 5 to 10 but moved it forward when I was certain I was not going to be hungry at bedtime. I’ve been told that eating late is unhealthy so I,May give 2 to 7 a try.
I’ve just started exercising a bit more, in the mornings I walk/jog 5k or do a longer walk.
JoJo could your disatisfacton come from being so successful at the start? Anyway sad to see you go. You have to do what works best but I will miss you and you could pop in here or there maybe.
Good Luck.
Barbarita that method of eating sounds like it could be good for some people,I know people mostly men who would eat that way during the week as they were so busy. I can see why 5-10 pm would be hard.
In our quest for weight loss we can only do what works for us. Fasting days can be very hard. I tried to eat about 800 cal. on Thurs. but it was about 1200. So on Fri. at about 8:30pm I ate a serving of pistachios. I always blame it on my hormones but it may be more about my resolve.
I was raised catholic so I would probably have given up something food related for Lent. I think it is good to deny ourselves every now and then. I just have to embrace the hunger and remind myself tomorrow I will eat that snack…
Just wonder if waitng for tomorrow (like Annie) is the way to go.
Yeah, sorry to see you go jojo -or maybe you are just taking a break – but you’ve got to do what works best for you. As for the bad temper, join the club. On a bad day I’m that evil that I make Osama Bin Laden look like Mother Teresa. Fortunately, I haven’t had that reaction to 5:2. I just curl up in a corner, whimpering softly and wishing for a nice bowl of smoked salmon taramasalata (I don’t have a sweet tooth, which is probably just as well).
Like ply, I would have more of a problem with 6 x 1000, but you are probably made of sterner stuff than me – most people are! For me the beauty of 5:2 is that you can screw up mightily, then, as the song says, pick yourself up, dust yourself down, start all over again. Good luck with your new WOE. Let us know how you get on.
BTW I love Mondrian, I find his paintings both restful and joyous. I even have some earrings based on his linear works, a pressie from my other half when we were in Provincetown, Mass. Similarly the sheer energy of Jackson Pollock’s drip paintings makes me smile from ear to ear. However, so far no one, even those whose opinions I value highly, has persuaded me to like Mark Rothco. To me, he just seems to be taking the p**s, although I like his early figurative stuff. I’m still willing to listen, though.
To hermajtomomi – Our Prime Minister back in 1973, Gough Whitlam, backed the National Gallery of Australia’s A$1.3 million purchase of a magnificent Jackson Pollack which was called “Blue Poles” – not the artist’s name for it, he called it “Number 11, 1952”. It caused a huge stir mainly as it is so abstract &, at the time, the most expensive work of art purchased with government approval (the gallery’s director at the time could not authorise purchases over A$1 million). The painting left Australia for the 1st time in 1998 when it was loaned to MoMA NYC for a Pollock retrospective – it was the signature work of the exhibition and dominated the last gallery : the painting is HUGE – 212.1 cm × 488.9 cm (83.5 in × 192.5 in). Today Gough stands vindicated of wreckless spending as the painting is estimated to be valued between $20 million to $100 million. No-one can really say as a painting is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it and Blue Poles has been off the market for 40 years and will remain that way – it has become a National treasure. Even though it was produced by an American artist it has an almost intrinsic link to Australia, as weird as that sounds.
Cheers,
Kim
Hey Ripcurl and hermajtomomi, love the name of your former prime minister. Yesterday had to help my sister-in-law clean out my mother-in-law’s closets. She has dementia and lives in a home. She has three sons. I tend to get sentimental about stuff, I really don’t like tasks like this but felt I should help. You see peoples’ lives in what they wear. I am not a fan of estate sales or yard sales because I don’t like to see a person’s life all laid out. It seems too personal to me.
My MIL was never big but boy did I here “do you want it. That won’t fit me” at least 10 times.I get
it you wear a size small. Well when I wore smalls( about 13/14 years ago) sometimes mediums would fit. Also I am aware they are lowering sizes so people can feel good about themselves. I mean I wore a size 3/4 when I got married and there were no size 0’s as there are now. Just did not need to hear that. Who am I kidding I was never “skinny”
I have accepted the fact that I probably won’t get to my previous proportions and I’m OK with that. As we age somtimes a little extra wieght is fine. It is your face or your backside and I choose my face not looking hagard.
Hello Precious Boo Boo – sorry I didn’t get back sooner, life got in the way.
Mixing fats and carbs. I just don’t mix on either fast diet day or normal days. From the bit of research I have done it seems the liver can’t cope with fat and carbs at the same time, will process the fat into energy and turn the carbs into fat. Before I started the fasting phase proper I stopped eating sugar for a month to get it out of my system – it seems to work for me. I also avoid all processed food with hidden sugar. It means I’m cooking a lot – in batches which I suspect is quite common. I do the 5:3 diet – a day fasting followed by two days non-fasting within a nine day period and have found that seems to kick start the metabolism to start burning fat again. The only thing I would wish for is that someone had told me about this 20 years ago – but then we have all apparently been advised how to lose weight incorrectly for years – by cutting down fat which doesn’t work…
to CollieLover: I also subscribe to limitting carbs with 5:2. My plan has actually evolved to 3:2:2. I do 2 days of 500-700 cal fast with no carbs (meat/eggs and veg only), 2 days of “normal” sized meals with limited carbs (no bread, no pasta or rice) and 2 days where I have bread/pizza or rice/pasta at one meal. On non-fast days I allow one piece of fruit (berries fine, half an apple, etc).
I have been on the diet 7 weeks and have now lost 7 lbs, and feel I have found “the Way” for me. If I don’t control the carbs, nothing else works.
Recently our gang let off some steam bashing Weight Watchers for making money off desperate women trying to lose weight. One can argue with the business model they had but I think there was a sincere effort to find a formula that would work for most women. Many of us had success on their early diets which limited carbs to 1 slice of bread a day and twice a week the diet permitted exchanging your one slice of bread for 1/2 cup of rice or pasta. They also severly limited fats.
Later they went to a version of all calories are the same, ie, you have points and how you choose to use them is up to you. I just don’t believe that any more. At least not true after menopause. Too many ladies with pre-Type 2 diebetes and low insulin sensitivity problems. Low thyroid just adds to the problems.
I think for their original target audience (middle aged women) that original diet has some merit (although there is a huge body of research out there that limiting fats is not necessary if you limit carbs, and that healthy fats are critical to good health).
As others have noted, the rules for LOACA are simply different. I think one of the great things about this thread is that we now realize that our problems ARE THE NORM for post-M women. It would be lovely is someone would find some reasearch money to find what guidlines really do work for us, and then write a book that would sell a bizillion copies that did not give us examples of young 30 or 40-somethings dropping 20 lbs in 6 weeks. My guess is that there is still going to be a lot variation, that for every plump grandma out there is some stick thin elderly lady who has never had a weight problem. Genes? Lifestyle? No tastebuds? Who knows.
I know my body looks a whole lot like my mother’s (fairly slim pre-50, not so much post-50).
Off to do my stairs and earn my hard-won 1 lb a week. I’ll take it. Better than nothing.
Love to all. And so very sorry to lose jojo58…hope she will at least come back to visit and say hi once in a while. She will be missed.
I remember a very old Oprah show, re weight loss. The featured researcher said post menopausal women had to be perfect. 🙁
Also this about not eating fat and carbs together is very old, like from between the world wars. Theory was that the body could not digest alkaline and base (acidic) forming foods together. Non-starchy vegetables could be eaten with anything but no steak and potatoes. Some fruits were better off eaten alone like citrus. To top it off, citrus is alkaline forming in our systems, not acidic as I would have thought! It’s pretty hard to strictly eat like
this, so I tend to aim for good and not perfect.
Yesterday was a good day, and although no weight loss on the scales, measurements were down a bit.
I’m sorry to see Jojo go also. Hope she checks in occasionally, just to say hi, if nothing else.
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25 Mar 14