In the Fast Diet book Michael Mosely described how fasting reduced his cholesterol level,last night on BBC 2 ‘Trust me I’m a Doctor’ he decided to start taking statins. Does this mean that fasting can’t sustain a lower cholesterol level?
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Hi jimmy, a good question and one I am interested in. I missed the programme so do not know what led up to Michaels decision to take statins. I am only a lay person so know as much as you probably do. Statins, to most of us are linked to heart attacks, either to prevent or to help following an attack. Cholesterol along with other indices such as old age are linked to increased chances of a heart attack.
Your question I believe cannot at this time be answered effectively. 5:2 fasting is in its infancy so lacks substantive research. I suggest you google Valter Longo and Krista Varady, both interviewed by Michael and both having researched different types of fasting. Browse other posters comments such as WiltUSA who posts interesting sites to research. However I do not think you will find an answer to your question. I believe only Michael can give an explanation as to why he has made this decision after giving us the results of his fasting research which has given us the 5:2 lifestyle. I would welcome other posters comments on this one.
Having had a health check some months ago I was told I have a 24.9% chance of a heart attack in the next 10 yrs, I also had increased levels of bad cholesterol
so I have a vested interest in your question.
Good Luck.
Unless a middle-aged man has established heart disease statins will be of no benefit to him and over time are likely to be harmful. They are never any use to women. Furthermore, elevated cholesterol is NOT a cause of heart disease. It is very concerning that the medical establishment backed by substantial funding from Big Pharma (who make a motza from having practically everyone over the age of 40 on statins) have done such a great job of ignoring or quashing research to the contrary. There is a lot of information out there about just how bad statins are and how vital cholesterol is in the human body. Here is a sample-
http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/the-great-cholesterol-con/
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/the-knowledge/we-have-got-cholesterol-completely-wrong/
http://www.westonaprice.org/cardiovascular-disease/myths-a-truths-about-cholesterol
http://www.thincs.org/index.htm
I’d also be interested in hearing back from Michael regarding this issue. one of the key drivers for me undertaking fasting (since May) was to reduce my cholesterol level’s. in Jan they were 7.3 > now 6.4 (good HDL has increased & bad HDL reduced) … GP happy although they implied that this could be put down more to (1) diet changes & (2) regular exercise.
MarkNZ
it might already b in his replies
ALL FORUM REPLIES BY DR MICHAEL & OTHER CONTRIBUTERS
michael’s replies
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/michael/replies/
his dr wife clare replies
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/clare/replies/
mimi
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/mimi/replies/
thanks for the links wiltldnrUSA. interesting.
a couple of relevant points emerged for me to add to the cholesterol challenge/conversation:
––WEIGHT/BMI: [Michael > in reply to: BMI getting close to “Underweight”] i’ve lost 8kgs over the past 5-6 months of doing the Fast Diet. while still a healthy bmi (20.5) i’ll consider moving to the 6:1 approach if weight keeps dropping in next few months. weight loss isn’t my main objective.
–– HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE: [Clare > in reply to caroline.j.rees: Hypertension (HTN) or high blood pressure and FastDiet] As Clare states, “Bp as you know is affected by a whole variety of factors and tends to gradually increase with age” … i’d add the impact your genes inevitably have on progress! i’ve added a new forum ‘Fast Diet and high blood pressure’ that talks specifically about this topic.
MarkNZ
glad u liked it
did u click his topics 2?
we all miss him but he loves his job 😀
he does pop in responds once and a while
i watch his twitter sometimes i don’t have a twitter account
however there some good stuff there 2
u can c
https://twitter.com/DrMichaelMosley
there r some vids that might help 2
everything a newbie/poster might want 2 c, use & read
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/everything-a-newbie-might-want-2-c-use-read/
again continued success in this fdl
happy nonfastdays & fastdays & 5/2 & 4/3 & adf or 4/2/1 or 3/3/1 or adf w/1 & the fdl (fastday lifestyle) 😀
thanks. i scanned for topics/areas more relevant to my concerns + i’m active on Twitter. ideally, if Michael, Mimi & Clare can’t communicate regularly within the forum context, then they’ll need to organise for someone else (or team) to respond on their behalf & pass on information that extends beyond the anecdotal (while acknowledging the more personal is also useful in many ways as well). the site/diet will live & die on their leadership in ‘leading’ the communication.
I don’t know if its helpful Jimmy but after 3 months on 5:2 I had a blood test and my cholesterol was down by a third. I’ve now been on the diet 8 months and I’m about to have a second blood test and wonder if like Michael I,ll have to go back on statins ….. I’ve lost 33.7lbs in 34 weeks but will the cholesterol still be down? I wonder what others experience are? Does cholesterol stay down on 5:2?
Try watching last episode of Catalyst on iview. http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/
They investigate the use of Statins to curb cholestrol and big Parma’s push.
The content has stirred up discussions on talk back radio with very good arguments on the pro and cons of Statin drugs.Dr Maryanne Demasi, producer, investigates the science behind the long established claims that saturated fat causes heart disease. It’s a two part series and the second part airs this Thursday.
interesting points being raised by Beavergong and jimmy on the effectiveness of the 5:2 on cholesterol & blood pressure (as i said in an earlier post, weight loss isn’t my main objective) … it would be good to hear more results from people who have been using the approach over long periods of time. quantifying results + what physical activity they’re also doing (my GP suggested that my results could just as easily be put down to diet changes & regular exercise i’m now doing).
I am really disappointed as my total cholesterol has increased from 5.9 to 7.5 after three months doing 5:2 diet. I did not fast the day before the test but did not eat on the morning of the test. I had hoped it would reduce but it has got worse. Looks like it may have to be more tablets from the doctor for me.
balgowniejane
or
c all these videos we have synopses on this reversal post or u might want 2 watch all videos
on this post it explains fasting why we gain weight
how wrong as dr or medical society
we did
concerning
cholesterol
high blood pressure
heart disease
diabetes & many more
but fasting is really the key our reversal post gives u what vid & @ what time in vid 2 watch
balgowniejane
i just finished this video on the this post below
Cholesterol – The Medical Industry may have it all
wrong.
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/cholesterol-the-medical-industry-may-have-it-all-wrong/
video is better quality @ this site
The Real Cause of Heart Disease
http://www.dietdoctor.com/real-cause-heart-disease
usa
i just finished the video
i like this link audio wise
The Real Cause of Heart Disease
October 25 16:24 in Failed low fat diets, Heart Disease, Saturated fat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDVf-00w5gk
i’m so embarrassed that my country the usa
who it now seems were being greedy politically oriented murderers concerning our health
they did not mind
lying
accepting a dr’s fudged research
ignored the worlds scientific research data that was imploring how wrong they were & don’t do this 2 the population
duped generations because of greed
& still is duping us go 2 their site & they still promote lowfat
have caused obesity
diabetes
heart diseases
high blood pressure
cancer
& numerous deaths
ugh it is so sad we r now paying w/ our lives
their deceptions & will still
unless
we make our own informed decisions
Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm
MarkNZ
thanks will definitely watch
go 2 our reversal post & ad it there 2 if u may
refused statins
because my dr who prescribed them
asked me a terrifying question after taking them
after being checked 6 months later he asked if i was an alcoholic & i said i don’t drink @ all. he said my liver looks like u r one”
i said take me off this ugh
i now take 2 niacins @ night & 1 magnesium a day based on my research & now approved by dr
liver is great now!
still high cholesterol but might now live longer
based on 1st video 😀
worth repeating 4 our newbies the links i prefer the 1st one u gave 4 part 1 audio wise
part 1 The Real Cause of Heart Disease
October 25 16:24 in Failed low fat diets, Heart Disease, Saturated fat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDVf-00w5gk
Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm
please watch dr fungs series even if u don’t have 2 lose weight it is very clarifying especially on fasting! would like ur opinion
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 1 of 6: A New Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0&list=TLh_v240JSYBSM_dYl1QTbu5Ko9riryZ9s
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 2 of 6: The New Science of Diabesity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dimP7IdM2Og&list=TLqRqUad1bekCjDL66Y6HWPbAhsyBoVeBt
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 3 of 6: Trial by Diet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnshVO4PRM&list=TLS3LD7vDk0J4oR-ATWOXKj1fldC8mWkKR
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 4 of 6: The Fast Solution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG89j432w-Y&list=TLySn0eCWlFY9knr1KIEVevZPrt664X1c0
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 5 of 6: Diet and Disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yoOx_7MLn0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 6 of 6: Dietary Villains – Fat Phobia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y&list=TLx-qDz6JW2_6LS81Z9-jCJEQGJZqQuv5A
Insulin Toxicity and How to Cure Diabetes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZ4UqtbB_g
Dietary Villains – Part 2: Salt Scare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGrUwE8zpY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w
i’m finally @ peace
usa
Good reading all the comments. Been on the 5:2 for 13 months.
My cholesterol is around about 6. My last test it came down a bit further
from 6.2 to 6.1. The LDLs went down somewhat and the docs seem ok. I am not on any medication, I am 65.
I’m happy with this. I don’t have a history of heart disease in the family.
My weight is good and I exercise regularly. It would seem that being female
allows a higher reading, not very scientific though.
I didn’t read all those links above but statins are big business. I can understand that we want the best for those we love and statins may seem like an insurance policy. I think there is too many unknowns though and some issues raised are diabetes, dementia. The thing that scares me is that statins mess with your brain.
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18 Oct 13