Morning all Fit I know exactly where you’re coming from & also can’t tell all my story but sending hugs to you to ease the heartbreak a little. You may find the same as me that because the crisis is family/family related that having a non-judgemental or non-related group such as AD’s is a great support. We don’t have to know all the details but we just need to know that you’re doing OK through it all. And if you’re not just let it all out don’t bottle it all up inside. Mine will also be a long-term heartache & some days are better than others but I’m getting stronger.
CG so glad that you’re weight has dropped back dramatically & that you’re soo enjoying the LCHF approach. Doesn’t matter about the timing at least you’ve got it sorted & can trial it more when you’re up & about. Have a good day organising the last few things & enjoy your girlfriend’s support & company. Hope the pain is not too bad for you. And yes I too have thrown out almost all of my LF/sugarladen dressings.
Ooh phooey now I can’t remember what I read on the last page! Gee it’s annoying. Lotus thanks for the tip re the intensity of HIT – need to research more like you do.
Mike I used to travel a lot for my job (almost every day) & I got into a really good routine of packing foods, bought some really nifty cooler bags that could take quite a few different containers. It’s doable so long as you’re organised. If you’re not (as I found) it becomes a nightmare grabbing whatever you can from shops you don’t know with fat-loaded menus or stuff that you THOUGHT looked healthy, until you had a few bites! So….use our motto Plan and Prepare and you’ll do well.
Lotus well done on the loss and breaking your plateau. You’ll suss it out with your family, just a few tweaks here & there to modify your food from the family’s.
Milena so glad you eventually got your son’s injury sorted, or at least on the way to sorted. I have osteoporosis and had to have stress fractures in both feet & then a broken wrist to get it diagnosed. 3 plasters. My GP who is also a good friend & neighbour 2 doors up felt so bad when the first foot stress fracture was found out. I used to walk to work up quite a steep hill & he would pass me & wave (had offered me lifts but it was my exercise for the day). It took us many months too to have a special dye test done to get a diagnosis and then he was soo apologetic – Oh Sue I used to pass you walking up that hill & your foot was swollen & all the time it was broken. I’m so sorry! He’s a lovely guy & was genuinely sorry that he hadn’t been able to get to the bottom of it.
Well better stop this monologue. Just had a yummy cahi latte to warm me up. Now going to look at the rest of my feed day. Feel like cooking something yummy – maybe your zucchini muffins CG (with butter of course!). suejen XXX

Just thinking about LCHF again, do you (CG and Lotus) mean only severely restricting carbs on FD’s or just not having any at all ever? 🙁

Fit, I hope you are doing ok today, just read your post, lots of hugs to you and your family (())

SJ, congrats on the compliment, lucky you XX

CG, enjoy the time with your friend pre op, will be thinking of you. Forgot to mention that your puppies are just gorgeous.

Gypsy, loved your poem.

Milena, hope your day get’s better

Thanks again everyone for the warm wishes and lots of ideas and advice. I know we will get through this, will take a couple of days off work with him this week and see the counsellor together.

have a great day everyone

Thanks YY, just read your post from yesterday. He did call Beyond Blue last week, which I found surprising for him, but that was a good step to getting better I think.

XX

Sujen, Oh sue!
Whatever ya’ wearin’
Whatever ya’do
A lady of class (sooo small in the ass!)
We’ll suck on the sav
and drink to you, too!

YY – on LCHF – I am still having a small amount of carbs (try to keep between 30- 40 gms per day, but that’s still well above what Paleo people have).
I am not going full-on in high-fat. Maybe good fats like avocado, olive oil, some butter, whole eggs and limited cheese ( does not suit my stomach now-a-days)
Good carbs like brown rice, lentils, potatoes with skin on, sweet potatoes with skin on and carbs from green vegetables and fruit (basically, any starch bound with fiber is a good guy). I worked out that it all still allows me to have two half-serve of carbs a day – 1/4 cup for cooked rice etc, 1 piece of fruit for other stuff). I am not sure I can sustain very low carb as a life style.
Good chocolate once a week, otherwise it will all be too goody-goody 🙂

I like the drinking theme in both your poems Gyps 🙂
For those of you that like a sweet drink – had Midori the other day with soda and lemon wedges – nice 🙂
Usually made with Lemonade but that’s just too sweet. Midori itself is quite sweet.

Hi Diip

worth reading about, sweet chestnut and gorse may be a good start. Agrimony for yourself.

Yep no way I could sustain low-carb as a lifestyle for sure – aren’t we so different. And yet I certainly agree with the HF part. However the one becomes rather difficult without the other ie you almost need to cut out the carbs (well most of) if you’re going to fit the HF in? Lotus maybe you’ve done more research & found that you can fit it all in. It’s a bit tricky. I’ll just keep gong with plain 5:2 for now and see how I go. Happy with it so far for sure.
Night night all and CG best wishes for your trip to Melbourne tomorrow & one more sleep then before your op. Praying for a successful op that gives you a pain-free future after your recovery. Be strong and of good courage CG. We know you’re a pretty fearless leader so you’ll pull through really well! And you’ll push through whatever initial pain barriers face you head on. Best wishes from Madam Secretary sj XXXX
And PS don’t worry about us or a while. We can survive for just a few days without you…..not too much more than that though!!!

Very quiet on this thread this morning. What’s up people? All having some away time?

To continue this High Fat discussion (so not a good thing to think about on my fast day LOL!) – I thought about it, and while I will not be able to relish a lot of animal fat / butter – It would be nice to have , say, a spoon of hot ghee on dal, Blue Cheese dip for celery sticks, chicken with skin on sometimes, boiled eggs with real mayonnaise or hollandaise. Maybe asian stirfry with a splash of sesame oil. Or fish pan fried with butter and lemon. Yes, carbs will need to reduced if I do this – so may be an open sandwich or eggs Benedict on spinach rather than English muffin, or dal by itself as soup?
Also I have removed a lot of alcohol from my food plan as, unfortunately, alcohol is processed as a carb (creates the same insulin spike) only its seven calories per gram, as opposed to four in a gram of carb. Now a days its only vodka with club soda and lemon wedge, one drink a week.

hi Lotus

I feel almost a failure, almost but doing some things right, isnt it weird?

Doing wine at the moment to see it is affecting my weight loss. Never had low fat anything in my life, might have tried low fat mayo just once, never again. Olive oil and butter in cooking, no one gets near the chicken skin but me. Home made mayo or hellman’s. Steak in oil and butter, a dash of cream whenever I feel like it, , bread and butter, toasted scone and butter. I hate cheese, not a yoghurt fan.

Potatoes, rice and pasta are a special treat now, one of them once a week, but not all. Bread only once or twice a week, almost always wholegrain. No pies or pastries. Biscuits and cake are a very rare treat. Not even once a week. Lattes changed to skinny, my only concession to the low fat brigade, can’t taste the difference – changed from medium to small. Now eating loads and loads of veggies and fish. Tonight salmon and prawns stirfry with nine veggies, no rice. Think the record is 15 veg.

Im keeping the things I like, and yet making huge changes. Managing to stay high fat but most days under 1200 calories, fast days 375, quarter of target TDDE. Certainly focuses the mind, considering the huge calories in some fatty foods, but losing 1-2 lbs a week, virtually every week.

As I said, weird!

Found out Mayan warriors went to war with just cocoa, so adding chocolate to the mix. After all, we are waging a war, aren’t we?

Suspect the wine is wishful thinking (sigh!!!!) but its a rather nice experiment. Starting Fast Beach Diet again at beginning of July for 8 weeks to hols (though thinking of doing 4 weeks and taking a week off)- so the wine will stop then. I imagine I’m the only person who would plan a break on the fast beach diet!!!!

Might have to eat some cake this week so I can give it up at the end of the month. Or chocolate? So much in the swing of 5:2 I have to invent things to give up!!

Re animal stories – amazing programme about mountain lions tonight, enthralling. One mum had 4 cubs, two died, then mum was killed, 2 left were too young, you could see them suffering, then one died, by this time I was shouting at the telly, telling the film makers to bloody help, last cub survived into the winter, killed a porcupine, but died of injuries. I was wrecked by the end. Cuddled my own mountain lion throughout, she’s had a really rough day, probably wasn’t a great idea to watch the programme, but at the end she got up and demanded her supper. Very loudly.

Didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, especially when she spotted a moth and chased it – blummin’ heroic as she keels over like a drunk when she tries to walk! Ate all her supper, waited for hot water bottle before thowing herself into bed, and squirmed when I cuddled her – probably the torrent of tears and the snots were putting her off.

And my men were in stitches!

Im just too fragile for this world! Can’t watch Lassie or Bambi either, nor the Lion King, Kes, Ring of bright water, watership down, any episode of all creatures great and small……………..

Hello Samus! Welcome to this way of life ( we often refer to it as a WOL) and this (usually!) very active thread!
The WOL itself is pretty simple and flexible – choose any two days in a week that you are able to fast (so keep them your busy days, when food and drink won’t be focus of thoughts). Consume under 500 cals if you are female, under 600 cals if you are male. On other days, you are free to eat, but within your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE – can be calculated from the calculators in the FAQ section on this website).
We tweak this system all the time, right now, from the last pages on this thread we are wondering if we can reduce our carbs to the bare minimum and eat full fat, but again, within TDEE. So, Low-Carb High-Fat plan (LCHF).
Otherwise, heaps on info and recipes on the website, and feel free to ask any questions, to celebrate your losses or even just to vent if you are having a not-so-great day.

🙂

Milena – why would you be a failure dear, you are eating wonderfully!! Wow 15 veggies in a stirfry! I thought I eat a lot of veggies, but you are a winner, babe 🙂
I am going to copy some of your ideas in my plan too. Thanks for sharing 🙂

Sometimes it does feel like an uphill climb, but it took many years for the fat to get attached to our bodies, its gonna take some time to come off…

You are a total softie with our four-legged friends eh? 😉

I have a friend who chews on Cacao Seeds as he says that’s what the Mayans originally used it for – fuel / caffeine. Apparently fat-burning or metabolism increasing stuff. I tried it once – a bt on the bitter / weird side for me, but having said that, my taste buds have changed in the last six months on this WOL (I actually prefer black coffee and plain soda!! – who’da thunk it?), so will probably try it again.

Hi and welcome to Samus. Glad you saw the doco and that you’re into it already. Welcome to this wonderful WOL (way of life) or WOE (way of eating). As to your first day a couple of hardboiled eggs are always a good start. I have 1 for brekky & 1 for lunch. Others have miso soup or if you’re at work La Zuppa soups (supermarket) are easy to buy & heat up in the container & very low cal. Or a salad but not so much salad weather these days. For dinner lots of vegies & some protein – fish/chicken/steak whatever you like. Sirfrys are a good way to incorporate lots of vegies. Should be aiming to stick to 600 calories for a guy. Most of us have FD’s (fast day) on Monday & Thursday but choose whatever 2 days work for you. We shift the days around as needed to fit into our lifestyle, that’s why 5:2 is so doable. For your NFD’s calculate your TDEE and it will tell you how many cals you’re aiming for…just put TDEE in the search engine at the top & it will calculate it for you. We mostly use MFP my fitness pal to work out our cals but not all of us keep track. Mike is around on the forum & he might give you some useful advice too.
CG guess you’re on your way by now. Just remember that we’re all thinking of you as get closer to your op. Stay calm and supremely optimistic as you always do. XX
Ah Gyps thought you’d never ask. CBH = child bearing hips! It was a common phrase back in my school days & I sure had them. And don’t give up on your rhymes…we luv them.
Milena or Lotus you’d have to explain to me how you do a FD with high-fat & stick to 375 cals? I can’t even do that with a bit of LF stuff. Generally I try to avoid the stuff but find it much harder on FD’s to do so. I agree with the concept but in practice find it much harder. I can’t even imagine having 15 vegies in a stirfry…must lack imagination!
Well onto another feed day folks so enjoy some foods you love but watch your portions ie cut them back if you haven’t already. And enjoy lots of hot drinks to keep the hungries away like you do a FD. Think we need to do this through winter as we know that often we’re not actually hungry, just cold & looking for something hot. sj XXX

sorry Gypsy

Im Capricorn, right on the cusp with saggitarius, looking forward to your thoughts on that one! Aren’t capricorns the serious lot?

Will try to upload a photo of my girl, though she looks a bit of a sight now. Need instructions though!

Suejen, its tricky sometimes, though I can say from experience you can have a chocolate bar on a fast day – very little else though!!!!! Though I think that scottish delicacy, the deep-fried mars bar – which I have never had – might be beyond most folk any day of the week.

Lotus, you are correct about it being seeds, but chocolate is so much easier to chew on!!! lol!

Hi Samus, welcome, you will get some great advice here – there is a Robert Louis Stevenson quote about travelling hopefully, the pleasure is in the journey – 5:2 csn be quite a journey, but you’ll have some amazing companions!

mmm chocolate… (ok, slapping myself on the head now – its a fast day for me!)

ha ha Milena! love your post above

thanks everyone!

Feeling very welcomed! i am using my fitness pal at the moment to keeo track of the calories which is great.

Got some hunger urges and read on here to drink some tea and that got me through the morning :p

went and did some shopping and picked up some eggs and tuna, couldnt find miso so will try another shop after work!

Will try and order the book today, Dr Mosley’s doco was amazing. super helpfull. now just have to convince my dad to watch it!

S

Evening Determinators……A FD is just around the corner… Have we prepared for it?
Get those thick warming soups and drinks out.During these cold days we need our fuel with plenty of fibre in the form of veggies to keep us warm .
Welcome to our new members. During the first few weeks of 5:2 you will experience feeling colder than usual, may have insommnia or the occassional headache. This is normal until your body adjusts to this WOL and WOE . Keeping to the fundermental
rules of 5:2 you will be fine. Get “the book” so you can stay on course during your journey and ask any questions you need to help make this successful for you.

The key to success is the 4 P’s… planning -your food choices, preparing -your food, patience- in the waiting of weight loss to occur and persistence- in staying with the basic plan of 5:2 …. you can not go wrong.
Have a great day tomorrow…..GO GAL

Thanks SJ….But no….. We are all going to be MVP’S…. Just let all us keep the positivity ,support and encouragement that our thread is so respected for. All we need to do is keep reinforcing the amazing health benefits that 5:2 can and has done for all of us. Never forgetting the weight loss is the bonus in this WOL……GO GAL

Nothing like repeating oneself…….don’t know what happened there??????….GO GAL

Onya Lotus! glad you’re back GG. Agree SJ, it helps to focus on the details of fasting foods, then savour them slooowly. Making FD’s a ritual is a good habit, better than waking up one day and wondering what the hell happened when you look in the mirror!

How was your first day in the new job, Mike?

Samus, remember what I said about letting your results speak for themselves. Show your dad the new you in a few months and he’ll be more likely to take that first step. Luck.

Thinking of you CG. We’ve got this. Breathe in…..out…and again….etc..

I am presently nursing a headache and have had some hot and cold shivers, Hoping it’s not a scrub virus, I found a tick having a picnic in my armpit. So much for my gardening binge! Best I resort to the rum! (not to worry, the tick died, I am no easy meal ticket!) Evening all, xxx gyps

Hope u feel better today Gypsy
CG – hope the op went well…
Have wonderful and special fast day team. Who makes it special? We do, for ourselves 🙂

Morning all how is everyone? For me today was Pilates…what about you? Hope the weather enables at least a walk to help with the weight loss. FD well underway & hope you’re all organised and coping well. Head for the hot drinks to compensate for the lack of body-warming food & you’ll do OK. Even though the cals are restricted (but remember it’s only today) still plan for something you enjoy & can look forward to for dinner to keep you motivated. I’m having a Pumpkin Pie – not the usual sort but a savoury pumpkin pie without any crust and only 289 cals. Has cottage cheese in it for some protein too & lots of spices. Very yummy.

Stay warm all and stay focused on getting yourself through another successful FD. You can hit the pillow tonight & say I DID IT. Then we all hit the scales tomorrow…or most of us anyway. Have a great day all suejen XXX

CG we’re all thinking of you so please remember that when you come to. We don’t expect to hear from you but just want you to know that you’re in our thoughts & the success of the op too. XXX