Cholesterol reduction?

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  • In the Fast Diet book Michael Mosely described how fasting reduced his cholesterol level,last night on BBC 2 ‘Trust me I’m a Doctor’ he decided to start taking statins. Does this mean that fasting can’t sustain a lower cholesterol level?

    Hi jimmy, a good question and one I am interested in. I missed the programme so do not know what led up to Michaels decision to take statins. I am only a lay person so know as much as you probably do. Statins, to most of us are linked to heart attacks, either to prevent or to help following an attack. Cholesterol along with other indices such as old age are linked to increased chances of a heart attack.
    Your question I believe cannot at this time be answered effectively. 5:2 fasting is in its infancy so lacks substantive research. I suggest you google Valter Longo and Krista Varady, both interviewed by Michael and both having researched different types of fasting. Browse other posters comments such as WiltUSA who posts interesting sites to research. However I do not think you will find an answer to your question. I believe only Michael can give an explanation as to why he has made this decision after giving us the results of his fasting research which has given us the 5:2 lifestyle. I would welcome other posters comments on this one.
    Having had a health check some months ago I was told I have a 24.9% chance of a heart attack in the next 10 yrs, I also had increased levels of bad cholesterol
    so I have a vested interest in your question.
    Good Luck.

    Unless a middle-aged man has established heart disease statins will be of no benefit to him and over time are likely to be harmful. They are never any use to women. Furthermore, elevated cholesterol is NOT a cause of heart disease. It is very concerning that the medical establishment backed by substantial funding from Big Pharma (who make a motza from having practically everyone over the age of 40 on statins) have done such a great job of ignoring or quashing research to the contrary. There is a lot of information out there about just how bad statins are and how vital cholesterol is in the human body. Here is a sample-

    http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/the-great-cholesterol-con/
    http://www.zoeharcombe.com/the-knowledge/we-have-got-cholesterol-completely-wrong/
    http://www.westonaprice.org/cardiovascular-disease/myths-a-truths-about-cholesterol
    http://www.thincs.org/index.htm

    Thanks for that, seems a rather controversial subject but I tend to be on the same track as lizard4mi. I was told by my GP that my total cholesterol was 5.2 (whatever the units are), although a high proportion was the ‘good’ version HDL, and as I also have high blood pressure she suggested a statin – which I refused. I have tried the fast diet but as I am quite slim anyway (10st 4lbs)I was rather alarmed when my weight started dropping even further. Now I just fast once a week. I’ll probably be given another cholesterol check sonn and I’ll keep you posted.
    I find the Big Pharma situation rather alarming, I recall readin something on these lines about 10 years ago.

    I’d also be interested in hearing back from Michael regarding this issue. one of the key drivers for me undertaking fasting (since May) was to reduce my cholesterol level’s. in Jan they were 7.3 > now 6.4 (good HDL has increased & bad HDL reduced) … GP happy although they implied that this could be put down more to (1) diet changes & (2) regular exercise.

    MarkNZ

    it might already b in his replies

    ALL FORUM REPLIES BY DR MICHAEL & OTHER CONTRIBUTERS
                    
                    
    michael’s replies
                    
    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/michael/replies/
                    
                    
    his dr wife clare replies
                    
    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/clare/replies/
                    
                    
    mimi
                    
    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/users/mimi/replies/          

    thanks for the links wiltldnrUSA. interesting.

    a couple of relevant points emerged for me to add to the cholesterol challenge/conversation:

    ––WEIGHT/BMI: [Michael > in reply to: BMI getting close to “Underweight”] i’ve lost 8kgs over the past 5-6 months of doing the Fast Diet. while still a healthy bmi (20.5) i’ll consider moving to the 6:1 approach if weight keeps dropping in next few months. weight loss isn’t my main objective.
    –– HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE: [Clare > in reply to caroline.j.rees: Hypertension (HTN) or high blood pressure and FastDiet] As Clare states, “Bp as you know is affected by a whole variety of factors and tends to gradually increase with age” … i’d add the impact your genes inevitably have on progress! i’ve added a new forum ‘Fast Diet and high blood pressure’ that talks specifically about this topic.

    MarkNZ

    glad u liked it

    did u click his topics 2?

    we all miss him but he loves his job 😀

    he does pop in responds once and a while

    i watch his twitter sometimes i don’t have a twitter account

    however there some good stuff there 2

    u can c

    https://twitter.com/DrMichaelMosley

    there r some vids that might help 2

    everything a newbie/poster might want 2 c, use & read

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/everything-a-newbie-might-want-2-c-use-read/

    again continued success in this fdl

    happy nonfastdays & fastdays & 5/2 & 4/3 & adf or 4/2/1 or 3/3/1 or adf w/1 & the fdl (fastday lifestyle) 😀

    thanks. i scanned for topics/areas more relevant to my concerns + i’m active on Twitter. ideally, if Michael, Mimi & Clare can’t communicate regularly within the forum context, then they’ll need to organise for someone else (or team) to respond on their behalf & pass on information that extends beyond the anecdotal (while acknowledging the more personal is also useful in many ways as well). the site/diet will live & die on their leadership in ‘leading’ the communication.

    i’m just glad that there is a forum

    he does not have 2

    success in lowering ur diseases

    i’m trying 2 do the same

    i’m sure u have seen my trial & tribulation

    but it is working

    I don’t know if its helpful Jimmy but after 3 months on 5:2 I had a blood test and my cholesterol was down by a third. I’ve now been on the diet 8 months and I’m about to have a second blood test and wonder if like Michael I,ll have to go back on statins ….. I’ve lost 33.7lbs in 34 weeks but will the cholesterol still be down? I wonder what others experience are? Does cholesterol stay down on 5:2?

    Good luck Beavergong, be very interesting to see how you get on.
    Incidentally the diet dosen’t seem to have reduced my blood pressure either

    Try watching last episode of Catalyst on iview. http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/
    They investigate the use of Statins to curb cholestrol and big Parma’s push.
    The content has stirred up discussions on talk back radio with very good arguments on the pro and cons of Statin drugs.Dr Maryanne Demasi, producer, investigates the science behind the long established claims that saturated fat causes heart disease. It’s a two part series and the second part airs this Thursday.

    interesting points being raised by Beavergong and jimmy on the effectiveness of the 5:2 on cholesterol & blood pressure (as i said in an earlier post, weight loss isn’t my main objective) … it would be good to hear more results from people who have been using the approach over long periods of time. quantifying results + what physical activity they’re also doing (my GP suggested that my results could just as easily be put down to diet changes & regular exercise i’m now doing).

    I am really disappointed as my total cholesterol has increased from 5.9 to 7.5 after three months doing 5:2 diet. I did not fast the day before the test but did not eat on the morning of the test. I had hoped it would reduce but it has got worse. Looks like it may have to be more tablets from the doctor for me.

    balgowniejane

    i was just discussing this about dr mosley still has

    high cholesterol

    & i think it is

    c post

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/reversing-type-2-diabetes-the-fastday-lifestyle/page/6/#post-15478

    hope all the research helps u especially on how 2 fastday & nonfastday

    usa

    balgowniejane

    or

    c all these videos we have synopses on this reversal post or u might want 2 watch all videos

    on this post it explains fasting why we gain weight
    how wrong as dr or medical society
    we did

    concerning

    cholesterol
    high blood pressure
    heart disease
    diabetes & many more

    but fasting is really the key our reversal post gives u what vid & @ what time in vid 2 watch

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/what-is-obesity-it-is-not-what-u-think-required-2-c-b4-the-fdl-fastdaylifestyle/

    balgowniejane

    i just finished this video on the this post below

    Cholesterol – The Medical Industry may have it all
    wrong.

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/cholesterol-the-medical-industry-may-have-it-all-wrong/

    video is better quality @ this site

    The Real Cause of Heart Disease

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/real-cause-heart-disease

    usa

    i just finished the video
    i like this link audio wise

    The Real Cause of Heart Disease
    October 25 16:24 in Failed low fat diets, Heart Disease, Saturated fat

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDVf-00w5gk

    i’m so embarrassed that my country the usa
    who it now seems were being greedy politically oriented murderers concerning our health

    they did not mind

    lying

    accepting a dr’s fudged research
    ignored the worlds scientific research data that was imploring how wrong they were & don’t do this 2 the population

    duped generations because of greed
    & still is duping us go 2 their site & they still promote lowfat
    have caused obesity
    diabetes
    heart diseases
    high blood pressure
    cancer
    & numerous deaths

    ugh it is so sad we r now paying w/ our lives
    their deceptions & will still
    unless

    we make our own informed decisions

    Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:
    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

    MarkNZ

    thanks will definitely watch

    go 2 our reversal post & ad it there 2 if u may

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/reversing-type-2-diabetes-the-fastday-lifestyle/page/7/#post-15584

    refused statins
    because my dr who prescribed them
    asked me a terrifying question after taking them

    after being checked 6 months later he asked if i was an alcoholic & i said i don’t drink @ all. he said my liver looks like u r one”
    i said take me off this ugh
    i now take 2 niacins @ night & 1 magnesium a day based on my research & now approved by dr
    liver is great now!

    still high cholesterol but might now live longer
    based on 1st video 😀

    worth repeating 4 our newbies the links i prefer the 1st one u gave 4 part 1 audio wise

    part 1 The Real Cause of Heart Disease
    October 25 16:24 in Failed low fat diets, Heart Disease, Saturated fat

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDVf-00w5gk

    Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:

    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

    please watch dr fungs series even if u don’t have 2 lose weight it is very clarifying especially on fasting! would like ur opinion

    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 1 of 6: A New Hope
                        
                        
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0&list=TLh_v240JSYBSM_dYl1QTbu5Ko9riryZ9s
                        
                        
                        
    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 2 of 6: The New Science of Diabesity
                                            
                                            
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dimP7IdM2Og&list=TLqRqUad1bekCjDL66Y6HWPbAhsyBoVeBt
                        
                        
                        
    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 3 of 6: Trial by Diet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnshVO4PRM&list=TLS3LD7vDk0J4oR-ATWOXKj1fldC8mWkKR
                        
                        
                        
    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 4 of 6: The Fast Solution
                        
                        
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG89j432w-Y&list=TLySn0eCWlFY9knr1KIEVevZPrt664X1c0
                        
                        
                        
    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 5 of 6: Diet and Disease
                        
                        
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yoOx_7MLn0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w
                         
                         
                         
    The Aetiology of Obesity Part 6 of 6: Dietary Villains – Fat Phobia
                         
                         
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y&list=TLx-qDz6JW2_6LS81Z9-jCJEQGJZqQuv5A
                         
                         
                         
                         
    Insulin Toxicity and How to Cure Diabetes
                          
                          
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZ4UqtbB_g
                          
                          
                                              
    Dietary Villains – Part 2: Salt Scare
                       
                       
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGrUwE8zpY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w

    i’m finally @ peace

    usa

    Hi all-
    Mark-I just watched part 1 and 2 about the big statin ripoff, so glad I’m not being told I need those.
    Ooops, got to get ready for Hallowe’en kids coming by

    Good reading all the comments. Been on the 5:2 for 13 months.
    My cholesterol is around about 6. My last test it came down a bit further
    from 6.2 to 6.1. The LDLs went down somewhat and the docs seem ok. I am not on any medication, I am 65.

    I’m happy with this. I don’t have a history of heart disease in the family.
    My weight is good and I exercise regularly. It would seem that being female
    allows a higher reading, not very scientific though.

    I didn’t read all those links above but statins are big business. I can understand that we want the best for those we love and statins may seem like an insurance policy. I think there is too many unknowns though and some issues raised are diabetes, dementia. The thing that scares me is that statins mess with your brain.

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