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  • Emel, your email address is coming up as ‘no results found’ so I can’t send you a request. Did you check your settings so that you are not restricted to ‘friends of friends’?

    Emel,
    Sounds like there is a problem with your email address, I had problems when my link was set up. Check your settings as Smithy suggests then let us know what happens. Smithy had a copy of your post so I am sure she has the correct details.

    Well guys I had a great evening, the choir sang really well and the audience were very happy.

    We had mulled wine and mince pie at the interval which was yummy. I was very tired with standing by the end of the concert, my back was killing me too. What we do for our art? Teehee.

    Afterwards I plonked in front of the TV and my daughter made me a nice cuppa and buttered toast( a very rare treat), then we watched ‘Frozen’ which she considers an excellent movie( not impressed with film or songs) what an old fart I am becoming?

    Looking forward to fast tomorrow whilst I do some pre- Christmas cleaning and sorting out.

    SAMM,
    I love the group hug emoticom.

    Thank you pve.

    I have alot of respect for you.
    I found that the chick peas and red kidney beans never fail. But its the bitter foods that chase away hunger.

    but on feed days its the joy of food. Usually healthy. But sometimes just not healthy at all.
    my point is unlike strict dieting fails because long term there isnt enough satiation…

    so on my feed days. I do find food I enjoy. And believe its what makes 4:3 doable.

    also I stopped eating the mediocre foods.
    I found that foods that are nutrition dense I tend to graze on . So I keep going for that full feeling , when I eat instead of a handful of this and spoonful of that.
    I eat and get myself satisfied. I keep a journal of meals. And thats the criteria wether I feel hungry later . So when I eat feedays I go out of my way to feel satisfied enough for two days. As far a flavor and nutrition. That way when I struggle on a fast day especially a 3rd fastday of the week . My mind is strong willed knowing I eat damn good when I break my fast.

    sometimes the food has such good sustanence that I almost completely forget the previous fast day and feel strong and empowered to go mad with exercise .
    something I could never do on strict restriction diets.

    Samm. I love the group hug. How did you do it?

    Amazon, what a wonderful trip to Cuba.

    Hi Weemam, love reading your posts.

    Hi, Purple, sage advice, as ever.

    Cheers, Bay 🙂

    G’day gang. Just retreated inside! We’ve been braving it outside with torrential rain and really scary lightning, now massive hail! We left our awning open and now we have hail and can’t put it in…it’s electric! !! Amazing stuff!! Talk later. P

    Good Morning Fastrackers,
    Just woken after a rough night, too much standing and walking yesterday(6 hrs worth) my hip problem( bursitus and tendonitus)was very painful last night. But a hot water bottle did the trick, no pain relief necessary( just as well because it really hampers my weight loss efforts). I am thinking of getting an electric over blanket for this purpose but not sure how effective this will be?

    Busy day ahead but starting slow by doing some present wrapping. Fasting today, so I will be drinking lots and playing my Christmas cd’s.

    Have a peaceful Sunday friends, good luck Monday fasters. I hope my indulgence of mulled wine, mince pie and custard and toast yesterday doesn’t show up on the scales tonight. Special occasions such as my annual Christmas Carol concerts do need celebrations, it would have been horrible to exclude myself, it was a feed day and I was under my TDEE for the day. But truth be told none of these indulgences could be considered healthy. Anyone know some healthy alternatives? Let’s get ready for the food onslaught that is Christmas. At least I said no to the chocolates.

    Hello all

    I really don’t know what happened to last week – no sooner was it Monday than it was Saturday, and one of the busiest weeks for a long time, though I suppose only to be expected for the time of year. Too many social things too – a pound up on last week when I weighed on Friday, even after Thursday’s fast.

    Samm, thanks for your suggestions about the exercise ball a few days ago. It may well be something to go on my list to Santa. Your group hug is gorgeous!

    Jojo, well done on the 2 lbs. loss, you well-focused little Trojan! So glad your concert went well – the mulled wine and mince pies were well deserved. I loved that you weren’t recognised at the cinema – doesn’t it make you feel good when things like that happen? Glad you enjoyed Paddington. We are hoping to take 6 year old godson to see it next week, though, as his mum says, it’s more an excuse for me to go! Enjoy your clear out today, but be kind to yourself and have a bit of a rest after such a busy time. (Just read your later post – glad to see you are!) I’m going to follow your sage advice and fast, or at least severely limit the calories, on the days between the meals out. On the one hand I want to stay at this weight for a while and get the use out of the clothes I can now get into, but on the other would like to get rid of another half stone.

    Hope your hip doesn’t give you on-going pain. An electric blanket is a good idea, though I wonder if an underneath one that can be kept on all night might be better for the problem?

    Nama , I’m afraid I’m a bit of a hypocrite like you when it comes to loving animals and bird life but not being averse to eating some of them. We have lots of pheasants, partridges and other wildfowl around here, which I love seeing, but we often get given a brace or two along with the odd rabbit and bit of venison, and I have no compunction about putting them in the pot. Our beef, lamb and pork come from neighbouring farms too, so have been roaming in the fields around us before finding their way into the freezer. They at least have a happy, if short life, and if they weren’t there, we would have no countryside and the land would be developed. Well, that’s my excuse anyway!

    I was out for a meal with some old work colleagues last night after a fun afternoon having a 70s disco dancing lesson. Very Saturday Night Fever! – it was a ‘hen day” as one of them is getting married the day after Boxing Day. I feel privileged that she has asked me to make her bouquet and posies for her two daughters plus 7 men’s buttonholes, so not too much revelling for me the night before!

    Off to get our Christmas wine and spirits today – we’re going to give it to a neighbour to keep in his garage – we can’t trust ourselves not to dive into it before Christmas! Trying to have a ‘lean” day, although my meal last night was mainly fish with just one glass of wine. The only prob is OH is cooking a lovely piece of pork later – with crackling to die for! Ah well – tomorrow is another (fasting) day……!

    Have a good one all

    Smiffy x

    Morning all.

    Smileys http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys-basic-001.php. Add it to your favourites and C&P the HTML code when you want to use one Smiley

    Mild and wet here today. I’m going to stay home and finish off the major clean up I started on Friday and do some exercise.
    Non fast day today and I have huge piece of steak in the fridge. I think I’m going to make a fajita mix with some of it and have it with lots of salad, and home made coleslaw with yogurt dressing and save the rest for tomorrow’s FD dinner.
    I bought some beautiful hand made chocolates in Cuba. Two boxes for friends and one for me. I ate one chocolate on Friday when I got home, and it was really good but so rich I couldn’t eat another. I may have to try another one later Smiley

    Have a good day/evening everyone.

    Hey Smithy,
    Thought you had dropped of the planet for a while. Next week is going to be a nightmare for me. Three meals out then two the following week with various groups plus my sister in law will be staying next weekend. Nothing then until Christmas Day.

    I did think about an under blanket but remember from my youth that they were quite uncomfortable to lay on, they have of course probably moved on since then. Like everything?

    I had to wear a black dress last night, you know I hate black, I had to wear one that was three sizes too big, I could swim around in it. Two others went in the charity bag as they looked horrible( really baggy) and I don’t like them enough to undertake seam reductions. Everyone said the dress looked georgeous though so I got away with it. I used a black glittery shrug to hide my hideous upper arms and black glittery tights to match. Still lots of work to do firming those bad boys. Thank god for the kettle bell. I use an exercise ball for toning, makes push ups a breeze when you balance hips on the ball, balance care is essential though. I also bounce on it whilst ironing, mad I know but increases the daily pedometer count.

    Just finished my present wrapping so no more excuses for not doing some housework. I may pop to the shops for a new ‘performance’ black dress, good choice before Xmas. I want sa dress that is striking, stylish and mature – not an easy find on a limited budget.
    If not I will wait for the sales in January. The thought of being a size 12 next year just keeps me motivated. There will be champagne that day – it’s 35 years since I wore size 12. Still 16 mainly, with the occasion 14 if generous.

    Today I am sorting out my running programme, I hope I am ready. Wish me luck? I don’t mind admitting to being a bit scared, I haven’t been running for over 20 years thanks to asthma and fat. Nothing ventured! I also want to start skipping, if Samm can do it so can I.

    Love Jojo xx

    Hi JoJo
    1 reason I chose jumprope is because of my history with it.
    It took many months even when I was 12.

    Why I wanted to practice it again is simply to increase my vo2max.

    However there are more ways to to increase vo2 max than jumperope.

    http://www.trifuel.com/training/triathlon-training/10-ways-to-increase-your-vo2-max

    If you find any of these doable the increase will help with jumprope breathing too.

    The biggest reason I jumprope. Is it’s so accessible , I simply step outside onto a carpet I keep outside and go at it. Headphone help tune out the world and tune in my favorite amped up music, so it helps me keep in step. Like van halen “jump”

    This plays to my life journey goal to to avoid alzhiemers and or dementia if I do make to 85.

    I believe and is just my opinion. If I alternate days of exercise 1 day and have DHA the next I may decrease my chances of those conditions.

    I gave myself a goal of 1 year to jump ten minutes straight.

    I reached that goal in 9 months. Also have implemented the DHA foods into my feed days.
    DHA on feed days because I’m starting to be able to jump and accomplish HIIT on fast days.
    But it’s energy Intense, but only need 7 minutes. So it fits into fast day.

    In this way I find an exercise to do 7 days a week. Because the more intense workouts take so much energy I can’t fast without much hunger pangs .

    Jumprope seems to be the only HIIT I can do on fast day, get a hung pang and eat 300 cals of red beans. And I’m good for another 3-4 hours.

    When I finally settled on jumprope/ fast days. I learned I could jump rope three times.

    Jump At 11:40 eat 300 cals at 12:00
    Jump at 4:40 eat at 5:00 300 cals
    Jumprope and then jump into bed hungry.
    Wake up and break my fast.

    Jumping rope or doing jumping jacks if I got winded. For ten minutes I believe is approx 160 calories of exercise. Which I was aiming to do the 600 calories of eating and 600 calories of exercise. But it was tough and I settled on just the ten minutes.
    I was losing weight , it was working , so had no reason to push a frivolous notion to equal intake with exercise. 480 exercise calories was good enough.

    So if you read all that and are still with me . The 480 exercise calories fast day play into my 2lb a week formula.

    6800 calories = 2lbs
    3 fasting jumping days 1800 cals – 1440 = 360 of 6000 cal BMR 5,640 Less than BMR.
    4 feed days with 1700 cals = 600 restricted leaving only 560 calories of execrsice to do on my feed days.
    Which walking 15,000 steps more than compensates,

    So I found jumprope on fast days , and walking on feed days with 250 cal restriction to be my most doable.
    way to attempt 2lb fat loss without leaving the house or work.
    Which give me freedom to make fat loss not the center of my pursuits of happyness. Yet very doable!
    It took time to figure and keep constant adjustment , but I feel great!
    I wish everyone could feel this empowered!
    I do feel empowered that it is a decision I’m in control of. I’ve decided not to be obese. Nor let that pursuit take over my other pursuits.

    What I’m get at is after work I have 16 hours to sleep do things unrelated to food.

    I have less will power in the mornings so evening is when I just stay the hell away from the kitchen and don’t flirt with temptation.

    I must be getting fit! I’ve just completed my workout for the first time since before my holiday and breezed through it. I guess that means I’ll have to find something that is more of a challenge. Maybe I’ll try the kettle bells again, but I’ll wait until after I’ve seen the osteopath tomorrow.
    I am looking forward to my breakfast, granola, yoghurt and grapes Smiley

    Good luck with the running Jojo, you are a brave woman.

    Hi Amazon and Samm,
    I have always been active and enjoyed sports but I let it all go after me 20’s past, just too busy running a business, big mistake, all mine.
    I had a delivery from Amazon just now, Skinny Spiralizer recipe book. Starts at 175 cals – clear broth – lemongrass and shrimp through to 480 cals red pasta spirals with chicken.
    My new year resolution is to try a recipe per day, I will tell you what I think of them. Mostly vegetarian but some meat recipes. I will try the meat ones too so I can give a fair evaluation of the lot. I do have meat occasionally but 90 % vegetarian because I think the food is healthier and more suited to dieting. Just my opinion, don’t shoot the messenger. Nothing against meat eaters.
    If you have the 5:2 recipes perhaps you can report on them too, we can compare?

    Back to my chores, Cinderella is not a happy bunny doing housework, yuk, bathroom next.

    Tip,
    Forgot to mention, I met a friend who has lost a great deal of weight, she came to my concert last night. I thought she might be on 5:2 but she says no. She is on 1200 cal controlled diet that runs in one month cycles. Pre counted calorie menu plan. She said the most valuable thing she has learned is to only have one course and to immediately clean her teeth afterwards. For every item that goes in her mouth she has to walk for 30 mins. Put pay to evening snacking. This is her own plan. She has lost four stone since January so it is really working for her.
    She also drinks 4 pints of water every day.
    Just putting it out there for those that struggle with fasting, it’s not the only way to succeed.
    Good luck all

    All diets work if you follow them correctly, but for me the problem is what happens after the weight has been lost. This is the first time I have been able to change my eating habits, and most of the time it doesn’t feel like I’m on a diet. Your friend has obviously found what works for her, and 4 stone since January is a great achievement.

    Interesting JoJo thanks for sharing.

    Amazon I’m in the same boat. I know many ways to lose weight and have yoyo experiences.
    This time I have a plan that my final goal will be optimum weight for longevity.
    Then try not to eat more or less than I require.

    However my understanding is that isn’t the longevity extention approach.
    That’s where I hope to continue to use 4:3 even after reaching goal.
    Using the semi fasting days to detox. Where I can eat more on the feed days , but also exercise more to remain fit. More importantly get in DNA repair mode regularly.

    SAMM, are you a secret smiley addict Smiley

    My plan is to continue fasting for health benefits and maintenance once I reach my goal. I can’t see a reason not to after putting in so much effort to get there.

    Morning mob.
    Rereading my post mid storm yesterday didn’t convey the full drama we experienced. We had effectively a mini tropical cyclone. We were blasted by ferocious winds (tops of trees were snapped off, the pool 1/3 full of bark, leaves and gumnuts), torrential rain (the creek roared, the pool overflowed in minutes), hail (the back awning collapsed under the weight) and a blackout (our large expensive awning at the front could not be closed and had to be held down to stop it being destroyed)

    We spent ages clearing the damaged vegetation away only to get another, less ferocious storm! We’ve now had a thunderstorm every day for 6 days..a new record.
    I’ve wrapped most of the presents and will post the long distance ones today. I always used to love receiving our parcel from England as a child and reading the customs declaration that described the presents. No tree until the loungeroom renovations are finished next week. I might put a few lights up on the verandahs to get ibto the swing.

    I’m impressed by your exercise regime Jojo and your journey towards that size 12 lbd. You’ll definitely do it!!

    Samm and Amazon, I’m definitely in this for the long term for health benefits, so that I can be more carefree on eat days and can continue to wear my small girl clothes. 😉
    Cheers P

    Hi Smiffy, I discovered that my email notification was not on for everyone. Also, just check that the Louise part of my address is spelt correctly. sometimes people type it in as lousie ! I think that is all I can do from this end. NickyF that coffee in Stirling/ aldgate will happen !
    The last week of students and am exhausted before I get to work. Apart from the possum fight and then cat fight last night, I kept waking up to lists- cleaning contract over holidays, flowers for departing teachers, concert items, Reports, school magazine pages etc etc….well best get out of bed and hit the road running- figuratively- like you jojo I would like to start running but too heavy at the moment! A fast day so do not need to worry about breakfast or lunch
    Emel!

    Good morning fellow fasters. Today will be a semi-fast as I was out at a BBQ yesterday and I put on 400g last week. I was impressed with myself yesterday in that I had NO softdrink or alcohol and stayed with water and coffee (black, no sweetener which is how I always have coffee unless having a cappuccino). I also limited my food intake too but did have another piece of home made quiche (made by myself) around 9pm when I started to get the tummy rumbles, but made sure it was only a very small piece.

    Had a mixed up sleep last night … all this planning around a new internet provider and learning about VOIP phones/plans and trying to decide which one to go with (can keep my home number) but anyway with this not only will my internet increase in speed it will also increase in amount (from 12Gb to 250Gb per month) so I won’t have to be restricted any more 😀 well at least until I get right into things that is, lol. I’ll also be saving approximately 1/3 of what I currently pay for internet and phone so that will help too Smiley

    Full FD tomorrow and Thursday, semi-FD again Wednesday (as have social functions this coming weekend)

    All the best with your end of year chaos, emel. Boy, am I glad I retired from teaching!
    AO, the only way I can avoid having that extra slice is to serve out portions and immediately freeze the rest in single serve sizes. Really makes you pause when it takes time to prepare.
    Another trick I use is to only ever eat when I have prepared a meal properly and sit down at the table. No eating on the run. No nibbles at all while cooking. I know I can go long, long periods without food, so there is never an excuse to eat unless it is a meal. A fresh empty mouth is a lovely thing. 🙂 P

    Hi PVE sound advice. I have frozen a full quiche in single serves and took a whole one to the BBQ and the hostess kept 1/2 of what was left and I took the other bit home (about 3 slices worth) and had the small piece for supper about 8 hours after eating at the BBQ. Taking the rest to work to share with others. My OH even commented how nice it was and had more at the BBQ … was approx 1/3 left so 1/6 brought home. Have to run. Catch up soon 🙂

    Freezing in single serve portions is the best way for me too. I often used to eat in front on the TV with a tray on my lap, but now I sit at the table and pay attention to what I’m eating. I’m also making a conscious effort to eat slowly and enjoy every mouthful.

    I’m impressed that Purple has wrapped up most of the presents she is giving, as I’ve not bought anything yet Smiley

    Amazon, I’ve been doing xmas shopping while you’ve been having a fabulous time in Cuba! I know which I prefer.
    The only thing I haven’t learnt to do is eat slowly. I gobble my food down much faster than I used to. Once it is on the table, my resolve melts and I HAVE to eat. But I also don’t linger after eating. No more long grazing buffets.. .therein lies obesity. I’m sure that was our downfall 🙁 P

    hello Fters
    Seems to be the Australians present this morning. A beautiful day in Wellington and no cruise ships in port.
    I remember the exhileration of those tropical storms, Purple. We were once on the edge of a cyclone when I lived in Weipa in Qld. The movement was amazing-wind, lightning, rain. But the calm which was intermittent was so uncanny, that the movement back again was a relief. I once went to Bujumbura in Burundi in a state of calm between battles during the civil war. It was the same feeling that the calm was untenable and I couldn’t stand it.
    My FD is not going well. I am not losing or gaining. Maybe walking all these hills (38km this last week) is not helping. I know we have discussed the question of exercise during this FD. I have lost no more than the 15kg of 3 weeks ago. I am now no hope of reaching my end of December goal (5kg above)- oh well the course of true loss does not run smooth!
    I feel great anyway with all the exercise.
    xxWiwi

    Hi All,
    Feeling a bit flat after my gym consultation. No running for me. My gym instructor strongly advised against it. She put me through my places on 4 machines for one hour and fifteen minutes changing settings throughout ands hen introduced me to two more different fiction machines.. Basically my pain level increases dramatically along with my heart rate and blood pressure when I do exercise at high level e.g. Stronger setting or faster pace. She had me wired up and I can’t ignore the facts, she is a highly trained physical instructor with specialist qualifications in physio and rehabilitation work.
    So basically she wants me to start doing strength training more and vary the machines I use to include a skating machine and an air walker( this machine can be used for running but without any impact). My body fat level is still 41 and it needs to get down to 30. It has taken my 18 months to reduce from 51. So I am looking to speed up the next period.
    Sadly my instructor is leaving the gym which is a real shame as I have been on this journey with her until now. She said my metabolism is poor because I do not have enough efficient muscle to burn fat. Crazy- bearing in mind all my strength results are very high. I guess the muscle is still over whelmed by the percentage of fat.
    Oh well Samm – looks like I won’t be skipping either.
    800 cals today and burned 540 cals at the gym, I can do no more.

    PVE – I agree with the freezing rule, I do the same.
    AO – good luck with the new internet deal.
    Emel – Smithy will sort you out, she is a whizz at Facebook.
    Amazon and Samm – yes I am sticking to fasting too but I will pick up my friends 4 week rota and teeth cleaning tip, helps with shopping.
    Samm – what fat level are you at now. Has exercise dramatically changed this, I know you focus on muscle building as well as walking and skipping.

    Jojo xxx

    I intend to get everything done by the weekend so I can forget about it. I have two difficult customers aged 5 and 7 to buy for and I don’t have a clue. Their Mother is coming round for coffee and cake on Wednesday so I shall pick her brain and then go shopping on Thursday.
    The big kids all get cash to do whatever they wish with, so I won’t have much more to do apart from decorate/ice a couple of cakes.

    I used to eat so quickly without thinking about it. I now try to eat slowly and recognise when I’m getting full, and for the first time in living memory I’m actually not clearing my plate every time.

    Hi wiwi. Storms ARE exciting until they reach damage proportions as yesterday’s did. Then they are damn scary!!! 🙁

    Have you read Michael’s Fast Exercise book? To lose weight through exercise is extremely difficult. It is for toning. Calorie restriction is the quickest way to lose weight. You’ve done well. You know what to do. And being in summer you can fill up on lettuce and tomatoes, berries for sweetness, a bit of smoked NZ fish. Skip the white carbs completely (every day) until Christmas. You’ll find you replace them with healthy sustainable options.
    Keep going girl. You can do it now that you are ‘down here’ with us. Px

    Hi Jojo. The strength building sounds the way to go. Until you are even lighter than your current beautiful self, you can cause damage to joins easily.
    I have hated the “body fat” reading on my scales and haven’t looked at it for ages. Jojo you inspired me to check just now. Considering I’ve been at goal for 8 months and still had a too high reading, I’m staggered this morning. BF of 30! Weight 57.3kg. So, over 8 months I have crept down about 3 kg, fasting but not trying to lose, and that has been enough to bring the body fat down.
    I always use the teeth cleaning technique. You know you’ve finished eating! 🙂 P

    Hello fast trackers
    Nicky Emel and Aussie Oma in South Aus Nama in Victoria Bay in ACT PVE in NSW and Jojo SAMM HappyNow Wiwi Amazon Herm Lizzy Ply Weemam Tartan lass Smiffy and Hello World (You know Who you Are) 😆
    SAMM and Jojo wow you guys are taking the bit between the teeth with ramping up the exercise component that is impressive for sure fantastic work guys all the best today fast friends’ peace love and happiness.
    RT

    Morning all,

    PV we just had 60 mm of rain in 2 days at Jamieson and only one thunderstorm! It was a beauty but nothing in comparison to your Sydney one. Hope not too much damage to your awnings etc.

    I am very happy as scales continue downwards despite the roast pork plus smidge of crackling on Saturday night! Fast day today, so will be keeping busy.

    Jojo I am glad you are getting good advice re exercise. I was concerned, esp about your hip. When I lost a lot of weight 4 years ago I was so excited I started running up and down the four flights of stairs to my office in the big public hosp I was working in. It was such a shock to my poor unfit hips that I developed bursitis in one of them. The only thing that finally fixed it, advised by Chiro who I trust, was a steroid injection. The hip was incredibly painful and I was limping for about 3 months until I had the shot. Another reason I am wary of exercise! But obviously my brisk walks on the weekend compensated for the roast pork crackling!

    Have a great Monday everyone!

    Jojo .
    I hesitate to give specific advice . Because im not a trained professional. But sounds like youre trainer is spot on with your history as I recall it.

    women dont build as fast as men, due to men being able to produce testosterone. Which helps with muscle building .

    So while im not going for a muscle builder physic .
    im just trying to maintain . My muscle as I slim down.

    varady points this in articles prior to her book. I so want to read her work. But am just flat broke. Waiting to read when comes to library sadly. But her issue with adf was that it is difficult to gain muscle on adf.

    that prompted me to start the 2 week on fasting and 2 weeks on restriction so I could get enough protein to strength train. Now on break im building muscle.

    To answer your question
    I fidnt check my ratio in the beginning but im at 33% currently. So its similair that ive lost muscle mass while on extended fasting.

    however im in the extreme lvl of exercise now. But when I started. I was in much pain .
    If you may remember I was in hospital bed for 7 months. Had to learn to walk again . I could feel my muscle mass weakening and I knew I was in deep shit.

    I saw micheals program and started reading and experimenting. The fasting helps with fat ratio , but the strength training help build metabolism.

    you trainer is putting you on the right path . Albiet difficilt at first. Im confident youll get and feel stronger and weight will continue to come off without much more effort than your putting in currently.

    And musvle building isnt everyday.
    I do it on feed days when I have more energy.

    whats intresting to me is the 5:2 and 4:3 dont burn muscle unless you fast for 72 hours . So its still a good way to lower body fat ratio while strength training. Which is what ive been doing all along and I feel like rocky sometimes

    Nope, still not feeling Christmas yet! Shopping part done, international cards and gifts on their way, wreath a work in progress.

    I guess if I pull my finger out and get cards written and gifts bought then I’d perhaps be a bit happier!

    Jojo,
    sorry you’ve had your running plans scuppered temporarily. You’ve been very sensible though, getting properly evaluated. And it’s not all negative. You know now exactly what you’re dealing with and have a ‘road map’ for the future. And while you may still have a way to go, it sounds as if your slow metabolism is not something you will have to live with forever. So that’s got to be good news?

    Jojo .
    I hesitate to give specific advice . Because im not a trained professional. But sounds like youre trainer is spot on with your history as I recall it.

    women dont build as fast as men, due to men being able to produce testosterone. Which helps with muscle building .

    So while im not going for a muscle builder physic .
    im just trying to maintain . My muscle as I slim down.

    varady points this in articles prior to her book. I so want to read her work. But am just flat broke. Waiting to read when comes to library sadly. But her issue with adf was that it is difficult to gain muscle on adf.

    that prompted me to start the 2 week on fasting and 2 weeks on restriction so I could get enough protein to strength train. Now on break im building muscle.

    To answer your question
    I fidnt check my ratio in the beginning but im at 33% currently. So its similair that ive lost muscle mass while on extended fasting.

    however im in the extreme lvl of exercise now. But when I started. I was in much pain .
    If you may remember I was in hospital bed for 7 months. Had to learn to walk again . I could feel my muscle mass weakening and I knew I was in deep shit.

    I saw micheals program and started reading and experimenting. The fasting helps with fat ratio , but the strength training help build metabolism.

    you trainer is putting you on the right path . Albiet difficilt at first. Im confident youll get and feel stronger and weight will continue to come off without much more effort than your putting in currently.

    And musvle building isnt everyday.
    I do it on feed days when I have more energy.

    whats intresting to me is the 5:2 and 4:3 dont burn muscle unless you fast for 72 hours . So its still a good way to lower body fat ratio while strength training. Which is what ive been doing all along and I feel like rocky sometimes

    Mmmm…nice Rocky image, Samm
    Just looking on the main computer for some passwords I’ve lost :(….
    Found this article which was in the Sydney Morning Herald. A list of myths Michael Moseley was debunking. Thought it might be worth rereading:
    Exercise is the best way to lose weight
    “Exercise is a bad form of weight loss,” Mosley says, pointing to research on compensatory eating and relaxing, where “basically you’re knackered, so you sit down” for the rest of the day.
    The problem with people believing that exercise is a good way to lose weight is that they get disenchanted and stop doing it, he explains.
    This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t exercise.
    According to Mosley, the real benefits are the effect exercise has on insulin sensitivity and aerobic fitness. “Which means a longer and healthier life,” he says.
    There’s “preliminary” research that high-intensity interval training burns more fat, so “you will look more gorgeous at the beach”.
    But for those who don’t do the recommended daily amount of exercise – about 80 per cent of Australians – Mosley wanted to know “what’s the least you can probably do”.
    “One of the gurus I spoke to said you can get most of the benefits from three minutes a week,” he says. “I was absolutely sceptical about it.”
    Mosley now does a short, sharp workout, pushing as hard as he can for 20 seconds, taking a break and repeating. The entire thing takes him a measly four minutes.
    The effects of these quick hits of exercise persist for up to 36 hours after, he says.
    Mosley has also increased his incidental activity. Just taking the stairs and getting up regularly has a surprising impact on fat and blood sugar levels.
    “We need to move every 30 minutes,” he says. “Get off your arse and go for a short stroll.”
    P x

    Quite right pve

    I do hiit with jumprope. But strength train the muscles that help me to walk and jump.but also support my back and abdominal core. I took job in warehouse to help with neat. So I sit for about 14 hours a day is myguess . Typically above 15,000 steps on work days

    Hi emel. I have definitely typed in the correct email address, and presumably you have now altered your FB settings to allow people other than ‘friends of friends’ to contact you? I am still having no luck.

    Jojo – perhaps you could have a go from your FB end and if successful I can then join her as a friend of a friend, if you know what I mean.

    Jojo that was a very disappointing outcome from your gym assessment. Good luck with the strength training. I so admire your continued commitment and determination.

    I’m feeling quite sick tonight – stupidly ate some chocolate truffle cake out of the freezer, which was very rich. I don’t usually crave sweet things but for some reason (probably as a result of a few glasses of wine) really needed it – well no, I didn’t NEED it, but just wanted it. I didn’t even wait for it to defrost! On top of the roast pork and crackling it was just too much. Serves me right, thank goodness it’s a fast day tomorrow.

    Sorry to hear about all the bad weather down under. I will immediately stop grizzling about our cold windy weather here – we’re getting off lightly by comparison.

    Hi to every one and welcome back Amazon. Your holiday sounds fantastic.

    My eyes are closing as I type this as it has been another busy day, with another lined up for tomorrow. Will post as and when I can, but following the thread and thinking of you all.

    Smiffy x

    Thanks everyone,
    I have just planned 3 new classes into my exercise routine since I am not yet permitted to do Hiit, they are body pump, young at heart and a circuit class. Trouble is I don’t want to change anything I already do so life is going to get pretty hectic. My schedule is fuller now than when I was working plus I am out most nights. Building relaxation periods into the weekend and will probably drop swimming when I need more time to chill.
    I suspect my pedometer will hit new heights this week. Total exercise planned all moderate in one week is 22 hrs, yikes!

    Have a good fast day tomorrow my friends.
    Jojo xx
    Samm – I hope you are wrong about muscle building on ADF because otherwise I am wasting my time up to Christmas as I plan to stick with ADF until this stone is left behind, I am totally sick of it, been yoyoing up and down it for two months. The next stone will be a smoother ride I hope.

    Good luck to you Jojo x
    Smiffy. ..frozen chocolate truffle cake? Remember how you feel now for next time! Sleep well UK folk.
    Off for a long walk on my fast. P

    This is from 2010

    JP: One my readers was wondering what type of result one could expect when combining a vigorous exercise routine and/or weight lifting with alternate day fasting. Are these strategies compatible?
    Dr. Varady: The study we’ve just started right now is combining alternate day fasting with exercise to see if people lose more weight and to see changes in lean mass and in fat mass. Hopefully we’ll have an answer within the next year or so. I think, honestly, if people wanted to do this long term we would definitely have them on some type of multi-mineral and multi-vitamin supplement, just because they are calorie restricted and if they’re not eating high quality, nutrient dense foods, they do run the risk over several months to become nutrient deficient in terms of macronutrients – so protein and that type of thing. I think because you are calorie restricting you’re also protein restricting, unless you’re doing protein drinks on your feed day. I think it would be difficult to build muscle mass. I’m not sure if you’d lose it. I think that for people that are undergoing resistance training, it might not allow for them to build as much muscle as they would if they were taking protein supplements. That’s something we are testing out.

    My take on it is.
    I’m doing the muscle strengthening – building due to becoming a bit weak in last 10 years. So weak that I can’t perform the HIIT exercises or working on feet 40-60 hours per week. Not really going for massive increases in muscle tissue. Just trying to strong enough to work and exercise.

    So I take both approaches not just for weight loss, but for longevity.
    Hope this puts why I try to strength train the muscles that support my aerobic exercise efforts.

    Another quote from dr perlmutter.
    Challenging the status quo notion that loss of hippocampal function is inevitable is new and exciting research showing that we have the potential to actually grow new cells in this vitally important area of the brain, expanding the hippocampus in size and enhancing memory function.

    The growth of new cells in the brain, neurogenesis, is enhanced under the influence of a specific protein called BDNF. And while there is no pharmaceutical approach to increasing BDNF, animal research has long recognized that aerobic exercise causes a robust increase in BDNF levels and as a consequence increases both the growth of new cells in the hippocampus as well as increase in memory.

    Thanks Samm
    I’m in awe of your ability to push yourself physically. As soon as the weather got hot here, my exercise diminished considerably and OH has my Fitbit so I can only guess.
    It’s constantly fascinating what they/we are learning about human physiology. Neuroplasticity is another intriguing area.
    Yet another thunderstorm rolling in. I hope it’s kinder than yesterday’s doozie! This is weather that is more typical of the tropics, not the subtropics. Fast day going ok. A few lentils tomato and sauerkraut at 2pm. 🙂 P

    Hi everyone

    Just a quick check in because I can’t hope to respond in the way I would like.

    SAMM – such lovely emoticons and your story about your boats really touched me. That and your incredible supply of interesting and up to date health facts.

    Jojo, sorry about your hip but glad to hear you’re on the right track for muscle building. SAMM’s right about us testosterone-deprived females and muscle building. I’ve been doing weights for years and my muscle increases by a measly 4%/year on average.

    Purple, Sydney is really getting heaps of storms. In 1985, a year indelibly etched on my memory, a big hailstorm in Brisbane destroyed our tiled roof with hailstones the size (no kidding) of tennis balls with spikes on them. My daughter said ‘Dad will never believe this’ – he was away as usual) so she put some in the freezer. Then the power went off and we camped in the house for 4 days without electricity. We could get ice so treated the fridge like an ice box and cooked on the camping gas ring. Hope your insurance company is sympathetic and the storms to come are less fierce.

    Emel, I am on leave for the whole of the school holidays so WE WILL get together some time in January.

    To everyone else, thank you for your support and inspiring stories. Take care and I wilco with Jojo’s request for fasting lifestyle details when I get a bit more time.

    Thanks Nicky. That’s life in Australia! We had one storm when we were living in the bush that cut us off with fallen trees and power lines on a bush track for a couple of days. The kids have never forgotten. Terrifying.
    Today’s was very fast and furious. I watched as a large tree next door came down. Noone hurt. Deep respect for lighting and falling trees! 😉 P

    Hi Jojo, hope you enjoy body pump. I do it twice a week, it’s my favourite class. Once you master the technique, you’ll be surprised at how quickly you can increase your weights and become stronger and more toned. I do sympathise with you and your tendonitis,I suffer from it myself, but giving up all exercise for two weeks made no difference at all. Auto correct just changed exercise into weed use!

    Good morning all,
    Gracious, I never though I would be glad of English weather, not envious of you lot in the South, not fun having that much rain and wind especially when power is cut. Thinking of you all and hoping your properties are not damaged. I lost a 50 ft tree in my garden in the storm of 87, it fell right in front of my back door so we couldn’t get out into the garden until it was chopped up. The neighbourhood was a disaster zone with lots of roof and car damage from falling trees. I have huge trees close to me now so I hope there isn’t another big storm.
    I have lost another half pound today which makes me very happy after yesterday’s efforts at the gym. Christmas meals this week so it is going to be tough but I determined not to drink or eat puddings. Soup and fish is where I am at for all meals out until my goal is reached. I am set on weekly losses from hereon in and may even delay any travel plans until my goal is achieved. I am getting impatient after one year of dieting but I know I must reign it in. However I am not prepared to do any more yoyoing, it is such a waste of effort, doubles the work and damages the self esteem.
    Must get ready now, very busy and physically active day.
    Samm- thanks for the information. Only short term ADF so not worried. I have protein drinks available so will introduce these on muscle building days, I also take multi vitamins so all good.
    Smithy, I will try Emel from Facebook later, no problem.
    Good fasting Monday to you all.

    Jojo xx

    Morning all from a cold and sunny London.

    The storms in Oz sound awful 😮 I’m with Jojo, no more complaining about British weather!

    B2B fasts for me today and tomorrow due to social commitments later in the week, then ADF for a while.

    Jojo, despite not being able to run etc, you gym assessment brings good news in that in the long term you will be able to build muscle and increase your metabolic rate, so you won’t have to stick to a measly 1200 calories per day forever.
    Apart from the muscle toning and strength building that come from exercise, it makes me feel good. I love walking too, being out in the fresh air, looking at the tress, birds etc too.

    Have a goof FD everyone, and anyone who isn’t fasting on a Monday, why not? 😉

    Amazon,
    I can only hope that that will be the case but there are lots of other ‘slow’ losers on these threads that never seem to be able to improve their metabolism. It would be great to be able to eat 1800 some day, luxury.

    I for one am convinced that there is more to metabolism triggers than we know about. I keep reading the research and hope that one day the magic will happen.

    Have a ‘goof’ day too Amazon, don’t you love spell correction?

    I totally agree with you about metabolism triggers Jojo, am sure this is so much more to know. Remember when people treated burns with butter?

    Meanwhile Nama, we press on with our own research.

    But it is sad that professionals don’t believe how much exercise you take and how little food you eat. I always feel that after you leave the room they write down that you are deluding yourself and simply forget to write down everything. I for one would welcome 24 hour supervision to prove that what I say is what I do.

    It’s simple really, if I cheat I still write it down because I know we cannot follow a diet 100 %(unless superwoman). There is only so much will power one person can use in one day. I break down after three temptations in one event. Strong when I arrive, choose water not alcohol to drink, place food order, sensible choice, fish and veg, no pudding then finally fall at the last hurdle and order a latte after the meal. It’s not even good for the digestion.

    I suspect this is the next thing to give up next year at least until I reach goal.

    Anyone any tips for finger nails, mine are still flaking at tips, I didn’t have this problem pre- fasting. I know others report their nails have improved. I am eating all the right nutritional foods.

    I may pop over to the maintenance thread to ask them about their metabolism changes.

    Looking forward to dinner, thank goodness it’s early tonight, all that exercise, I am starving. Off to make a hot drink.

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