Lose 2 lb per week – join Jojo in this quest

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LUVTCOOK

11:45 pm
26 Jun 14
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Ply, you are welcome to borrow my “handle” anytime you please.

Fran: yes, life has settled down to a nice new rhythm. Have gotten myself back on “the plan” and inching forward. Amy steadily dropping 1 lb a week with a rare 1/2 lb mini every other month or so. My weak spot is that I have not resumed excercising but it is the top item on my to-do list for tomorrow (day off from work…no more excuses). Want to resume my zigzag up and down the hallways and stairs of my condo building. Ipod singing my favorite tunes in my ears, I really end up enjoying it if I can just make myself START. Inertia is a powerful force. You all are such fabulous excercisers. I need you to send positive brain waves my way to get my butt in gear.

SAMM

12:12 am
27 Jun 14
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Jun26, 2014
Spinnach with bean testing. Jumping rope.

I’m thinking beans dressing for their antioxidant powers as experimental. In combination with other Low GI vegetables.

Basically following a hummus recipe, to chop and liquify the beans into a paste and adding a small amount of tomato sauce to make into an unforkableconsistency. To make creamy enough to become similar in consistency of ranch dressing. Though beans are not considered low calorie food. In this way only needing about 35 beans to cover a salad as dressing is small enough to get the benefit of beans and tomato. under 50 calories.

Today I experimented with the beans as my morning blood sugar entry 84 not a recommendation for fasting day.
I used raw pumpkin red beans and just 2 table spoons spaghetti sauce/non sugar.
Wasn’t very good. till I added nutmeg in small amou on top salad not in the sauce. Will try again on menu 5

The salad was spinach, onion, tomato,1 egg,1 mini pepper, 3mushroom sliced 1 stalk aspargus from the garden.

I measured it out to a 250 calorie estimate, using my calorie book and scale. After 2 hours my glucose 172 didn’t get hungry for 2-1/2 hours.
I ate it again after 4 hours same amounts. After two hours glucose 203 didn’t get hungry for 3:15 hours

So after 7:15 hours I was ready to eat again because I was hungry with 7 hours before bed time.

I don’t believe this will be on my fast day, menu, except on a fat attack 4:3 . As feed day salad first meal at noon.
Dandelion tea , and vitamin water.

Jumped rope for 6 minutes , 4 minutes jumping jacks. 3 pull ups
Hunger pang 39 minutes after exercise.

Dinner was cat fish and carrots , peas. Celery with peanut butter as dessert, 5 dried cherries, 7 dried blue berries.

Total for day 1465 Bmi 2065
Glucose @7:30 two hours after last meal 209.

4 hours sleep. Mood ;(. – stress of news about diagnoises
Carving zero . 150% rda’s.
Thirst lvl medium . Unrination urgency- normal.
Worked 11:15 hours walked 31.55 miles.
Weight N/A Last weigh 233 5/31/14

Notes:
Read about water filter and air humidity.
. Question of the day ? Is water from a dehumidifier good bad or toxic. Not for everyday drinking but for use on sailboat for drinking water.
Clothes fitting loosely , have dark blister checked, bought new insole felt good till blister . Will need to be reassigned to forklifts till Monday.

SAMM

4:22 am
27 Jun 14
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Oops post my journal notes.
please disregard my last post

jojo58

5:43 am
27 Jun 14
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Good morning fast trackers,
Thanks for the vote of confidence Franfit. I am considering getting some hormone tests done privately. It would be great to find out why my body needs so few calories. Thyroid test was ok so it isn’t that. It’ s not easy to accept I have another 6 months minimum on a diet. I have lost 43 lbs since last November and another stone before that so I have been on a diet since last August really. I guess I am used to not eating the foods I would really like to eat.
I don’t think I can be patient, it just isn’t in my nature. This is why I started this thread. I was fed up with settling for one pound per week, sometimes even less. The biggest problem for me is the fact that people look at you and make the assumption you are lazy and lack will power, in fact I am the most active, strong willed person I know. When I set my mind to do something, when it goes on my list, it gets done. For this reason I am stepping up my challenge again for July because I need to speed up this process. I am going to do ADF for 8 weeks and I am not going to let my social life interfere with my efforts. I have two active holidays planned for September and October and I want to be within sight of 11 stone by Christmas, so three stone in three six months. So still average of 2 lb per week. Let’s see how it goes!

I am now used to doing 15,000 – 20,000 steps per day so that will be maintained.
I now plan to go to the gym daily, alternating swimming and aerobic work out (treadmill, cross trainer, bike and rower)for 45 minutes. At home I will do trampet work out( plyometrics) and kettlebell swinging – three times per week each(20 mins)

I will continue to do my usual weekly activities
Monday – ballroom fitness, yoga and badminton
Tuesday – 1 hour bowls practise then choir
Wed- 2 hour long walk then reading group
Thursday – 10 pin bowling
Friday – bowls and yoga
Sat- bowls
Sun – bowls and swim

Since all this is physically demanding I will have 1500 cals on non fast days and 600 on fast days. I am skipping breakfast these days and have high calorie filling soup for lunch with fruit ( mostly berries)snack. For dinner I will have fresh fish(whatever is catch of the day)and green veg or quorn and peppers. I plan to stay on a low carb schedule adding zero noodles to meals for bulk. Evening snack will be fruit( usually oranges) and nuts(not salted) maximum 3 oz per day.

I will continue to during 4 pints of water per day and take kelp, vitamins and garlic capsules.

I AM GOING TO DO THIS AND LOSE THIS FLAB.

Long term goals to start running and do Metafit(Hit type exercise) three times per week. This type of exercise I currently find too difficult at 14 stone as an asthmatic.
I would also like to cycle to more places instead of using my car.

SAMM

7:14 am
27 Jun 14
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Thumbs up on the cycling jojo

the little blood suckers cant get you on one of those

ply24mp

11:14 am
27 Jun 14
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Good morning, all! What a busy thread! I have been reading all the interesting posts, but just haven’t had the time to respond with all the family events. This weekend wraps it up, with the wake tonight, funeral mass Saturday, and burial on Monday. Exhausting all around, but lovely to be together. Only downside is that my sister-in-law has lost 40 pounds on weight watchers, so she sort of stole my diet thunder!

ply24mp

11:20 am
27 Jun 14
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Fasting is going well. Down 2 pounds this week thus far, so I finally feel worthy of our thread again! I planned to fast yesterday and ate my usual meals, but I was so hungry at 6 o’clock that I couldn’t hold out, and it was too early to go to bed! Nothing too damaging, but it turned into an 1,100 calorie day instead of a fast day. I will make up for it today. My third fast day will be Sunday, to wrap up my second week of Fast Beach.

Simcoeluv and Franfit, I watched that program a few weeks ago, and I found it very interesting. To me, it is more support for the idea that weight loss, weight gain, and metabolism are not just about the math!

Has anyone been reading Michael’s threads about diet myths? The first three posts were about eating breakfast, setting realistic goals, and losing slowly. The study that backs up the posts is very interesting and readable. As we all know, lots of the conventional wisdom that continues to be offered as diet truths is just not valid.

I find that 16:8 works well for me to limit calories. Eating in e evening is probably my most difficult challenge. If I put off eating in the morning until 11, then have lunch between 2 and 3, I find I am not very hungry for a big dinner, and the meal I have satisfies me through bedtime. It sounds like the jury is still out as to whether this plan provides benefits due to the fasting window, but I am hopeful that when I reach maintenance 16:8 is another arrow in the quiver to keep the weight off.

Not many steps or other exercise for me this week, but back at it next Tuesday!

Keep up the good work, everyone!

ply24mp

11:26 am
27 Jun 14
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Jojo, just saw your latest post. You are a champion! Your plan is ambitious, but why shouldn’t it be? You know from teaching kids, like I do, that when we set high expectations and put a detailed plan in place, the goals are accomplished! Looking forward to hearing of your continued insights and successes!

(See “food for thought on a fast day” forums for some scientific backup for ambitious goals and fast weight loss)

jojo58

12:20 pm
27 Jun 14
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Ply,
Thanks honey, really need your support.
How dare your sister in law steal your thunder, bet it took much longer to lose than your weight though.
As you said, definitive goals are the best way to get results.
Happy fasting
I am just off to do my second dog walk today.
I can feel the fluid retention lessening now the tablets are finished, let’s hope I don’t get any more bites this weekend, fingers crossed.
Playing bowls tomorrow, let’s hope I can make it three out of three wins.

amzta

12:24 pm
27 Jun 14
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Hi everyone 🙂

I’m feeling on the verge of a cold today and desperately trying to stave it off. My appetites kind of gone so I’m still fasting today.

After a very active last weekend – cycled 10 miles, ran 2 miles and ab workout daily, my fast days on Mon & Tues did not go well.

I cracked around 5pm and ate naughty foods 🙁 Ended up eating 800 cals both days so only semi- fast days. I know this will affect my result this week so I will be surprised if I lose. Haven’t had time to run this week either and now I’m feeling poorly, I don’t want to run at all. Been doing my ab workout daily, apart from yesterday as it was my brother’s Graduation.

Anyone have any secret weapons against colds? It’s my birthday dinner tomorrow and I don’t want to be ill :/

Amy xxx

simcoeluv

12:25 pm
27 Jun 14
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ply24;

“Simcoeluv and Franfit, I watched that program a few weeks ago, and I found it very interesting. To me, it is more support for the idea that weight loss, weight gain, and metabolism are not just about the math!”

I guess I have to disagree.

I have never seen anyone who stopped eating and did not lose weight. Nor have I ever seen someone ‘eat like a pig’ over time and not gain weight. Even the thin people in the program all gained weight. The man that only gained two percent body fat still gained 8+ pounds in a month.

It is true that because of different metabolisms people have different TDEEs, so a given number of calories will affect their weight differently. You see this all the time on this site with the discussions on the accuracy of the TDEE calculator (it is only an estimate of anyone’s TDEE). People with certain medical issues have very low TDEEs and have to eat almost nothing to lose weight – and then weight loss will be slow. But the fact is to lose weight you have to eat less than your TDEE, to gain you have to eat over. The key is to figure out what your TDEE is, and then decide if it is worth it for you to eat what it takes to lose the weight you want to lose in the time you want to lose it. That is always a personal decision.

Many people want to believe there is another way (what foods they eat, what time of day they eat it, for instance), but it has not been invented yet.

jojo58

2:05 pm
27 Jun 14
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Hi Simcoeluv,
‘Weight loss is not all about the math’ I am with Ply on this front. We are both sucessful dieters and investigate and experiment with lots of diferent types of food.

I have proved beyond doubt that many foods, especially farmed and processed cause weight gain/ or lack of loss whereas they might have exactly the same calorie count as non processed foods. I can eat fresh( non farmed fish) and lose weight easily, if I eat salmon(farmed) i do not lose weight. This is when everything else is a constant e.g. Level of exercise.

This is just one example. You have to agree that organic raw food is better than cooked in every respect apart from personal preference for cooked foods. It makes sense that while your body is trying to deal with toxins it cannot do it’s real job of processing the food.

Also replacing carbs with the same amount of calories of non carbs, eg veg or zero noodles is effective in losing weight because it has a higher fibre level.

I agree metabolism and medication will effect TDEE but that is not the end of the story. More research needs to be done to find foods that work for people with these issues.

I also think hydration is a major factor in weightloss that is seriously undermined. Apparently there is an application now that shows the effects on your body that results from different foods and drinks. I think increasing water consumption is probably the most important factor in my dieting success. I am very active but then I have always been very active even when 3 stone heavier. Water is great for suppressing hunger too, especially if it is sparkling(weird but I find it works better)

Fasting has been a very positive experience for me and now six months in I am going to try ADF because I think I have the control and determination to succeed. If I am wrong I will freely admit it.

franfit

2:06 pm
27 Jun 14
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Good morning, fast trackers 🙂

LUVTCOOK, glad to hear that life is settling down. Sending you positive exercise brain waves 😉 To tell you the truth, I do not inherently enjoy exercise, although I do enjoy being outdoors, so exercise I can do outdoors becomes enjoyable. But I have to trick myself to keep myself going through bad weather. My car is dying — it will only go about 2 miles before it overheats — it has to rest for a few hours, then can drive 2 miles home again before it overheats again — can only do the cycle once a day. It’s so old and has so many problems that my mechanic informed me that it’s not worth fixing. (I have one of those rare gems, an honest mechanic!) So I put off getting a new one until stable at goal weight. Even spent $$ on other things I needed so I couldn’t buy car so I kept walking to work through blizzards this winter. Kind of extreme, I guess, but I’m sure I would have quit walking this winter otherwise. I do keep bus tokens in my bag so that I can get a ride home if I get too tired too far from home, or to get me over certain legs of some journeys. So, one day I might drive 1.6 miles to work, walk 1.5 miles to the bank after seeing my morning clients, take the trolley 2 miles to the mall, do a bit of shopping, walk a mile back to work, see my afternoon clients, drive home, walk a half mile to the food co-op and back. This plus the walking around I do at work gives me 10,000+ steps. Oddly, walking through the blizzards was nice. (I do have the proper gear — Gore-Tex from head to toe.) What I don’t like walking in is sleet, freezing rain, or even cold rain.

ply, you are doing super-well under the circumstances! My goal was always only a pound a week, and everyone here very graciously put up with that. I like the problem-solving, can-do attitude here, the lack of whining and excuses — sure, we all mess up from time to time, the point is how to minimize and get past that, not dwell on it.

SAMM, I’m sorry, I read your journal entry before seeing your message to disregard. I think you should be proud of your fasting blood sugar, excellent. I am surprised at the amount of apparent insulin resistance you still have with all the exercise you do, you must be facing down a really tough case of diabetes. I think your experimental approach is good. I will think about bean-based salad dressings and see if I can come up with something tasty. Dehumidifier water? If I needed to drink it, I would filter it and boil it first.

amzta, could be that whatever is making you sick interfered with fasting resolve, more than weekend exercise. For a while I allowed myself 600 calories on fasting days, when I just got really tired of my 300-calorie dinners and before I learned that I could do without breakfast now. I kept on losing just the same. So, you only had 600 more calories than planned, total, that’s only about 1/6 of a pound. If the scales aren’t kind to you this week more likely due to being sick, I think. Better to stick to about 25% of energy requirement on fasting days because this is how people lost the most weight and least muscle in ADF studies and seems to give the most health benefits of fasting, but, as far as weight loss goes, any calorie restriction helps.

ply and simcoeluv, I want to weigh in on the first law of thermodynamics but don’t have enough time or brain space this morning for a long explanation. Briefly, while an organism does either take in more calories than usual or expend fewer calories than usual while gaining weight, this tells us nothing about *why* the organism is over-eating, lying around doing nothing, or has decreased its metabolic rate. To paraphrase Gary Taubes, saying that the cause of obesity is over-eating is like saying that the cause of alcoholism is over-drinking. While technically true, it tells us nothing about actual causality. Conversely, when we lose weight more calories are leaving our bodies as heat than we’re taking in. The point is that this is actually difficult to accomplish in reality without excessive hunger or a drop in metabolic rate trying to prevent the weight loss from occurring. The fat tissue is loth to be used. The questions are, 1) Why? and 2) How can it be accomplished without intolerable discomfort? Intermittent fasting addresses question number 2, making weight loss possible with less discomfort that daily calorie restriction. This may be partly by confining most of the discomfort to 2-3.5 days/week, but is also probably partly due to decreased insulin levels allowing fat out of the fat cells to be burned for energy. Our bodies seem to like to stay a stable weight except when some physical (like a fever) or hormonal (insulin, thyroid, cortisol, or other/unknown) factor is driving a burning off of energy or fat accumulation via over-eating or under-moving or both. Our bodies can alter our daily activity levels, amount of fidgeting, etc. in a myriad of small ways that affect how much energy we burn without our being aware of it. In sum: while not untrue, calories in/calories out does not tell us much that is truly useful. Hope that made some sense.

jojo, you go, girl! I know it seems like it’s going to take forever. I remember that feeling, and I didn’t even have as far to go as you did/do. When you get there it will feel fantastic. In the meantime, I would like to loan you my suit of rubber armor so that peoples’ negative assumptions will bounce right off you 🙂

jojo58

2:18 pm
27 Jun 14
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Franfit,
I will take the rubber armour with pleasure. May keep the mosquitoes away too. Ha ha. Don’t worry about me, I am one tough cookie. Just about to ‘deet’ myself from head to toe as gardening beckons.
I will be slim, I will be slim – mantra in force

jojo58

2:25 pm
27 Jun 14
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Hi Amzta,
When I am ill, I give myself a week off, feed a cold and starve a fever, good advice. Lots of yummy soups. Even rice pudding, skimmed milk protein drinks, lots of fruit especially oranges. You will feel great in a few days. Weight quickly gained is quickly lost – really.

The thing about fasting is control. You will lose 1 lb per day if you fast properly and take exercise

franfit

2:43 pm
27 Jun 14
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Actually, it’s “starve a cold, feed a fever.” While it’s not actually necessary to starve a cold, it is dangerous to starve a fever, when your body is burning off a huge number of calories; it will burn off protein from muscle if ready carbs are not available (once it’s gone through its glycogen stores, before it turns on fat-burning, which may be impaired when febrile). Of course the problem is that you usually don’t have much of an appetite when you’re sick enough to have a high fever. Hence the need for the adage.

amzta, I forgot to mention, the homeopathic zinc tablets do work for me in lessening cold symptoms, no idea why, they don’t work for everyone, you do have to start them within 24 hours of the onset of cold symptoms. I always keep some around for that reason.

jojo58

4:29 pm
27 Jun 14
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Sorry Amzta and Franfit, didn’t mean to mislead you, seems I have the proverb wrong( probably for most of my life) you live and learn something every day on here. Thank you for correcting me Fran, I bow to your superior knowledge. I think in all honesty I would feed both, it’s a rare day that I lose my appetite.
Get well soon Amzta.
Agree with Fran about zinc too.

SAMM

6:35 pm
27 Jun 14
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Well ladies this is my undetstanding on cold and fever.

was my first lecture I evet heard on fasting.

20 years ago. A reseachef said in an interview

if you feed your cold you will have to starve your fever.

also exersice sweaty exercise.

SAMM

6:39 pm
27 Jun 14
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Psst
zinc isnt just for colds

SAMM

6:44 pm
27 Jun 14
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I saw my 98 year old grandmother abd a conversationabout her gardens started.

She said she outilned the entire perimeter of the gatden and the house and patio.

With marigolds. I beilive they make a repprlent from it not ssurr

she said the make plenty of their own seeds for easy replanting every year

jojo58

8:35 pm
27 Jun 14
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SAMM,
She was right but the snails adore them, it’s their favourite meal

simcoeluv

9:05 pm
27 Jun 14
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jojo:

” I can eat fresh( non farmed fish) and lose weight easily, if I eat salmon(farmed) i do not lose weight. This is when everything else is a constant e.g. Level of exercise.”

Has it crossed your mind that the non-farmed fish may be more lean than the farm fed quickly fattened fish, and thus have fewer calories? Six ounces of each can contain radically different calorie counts, just as six ounces of steak can vary with how marbled it is (fat or lean beef).

Carbs are identical in all foods, both calories and effects. It is in fact the fiber that slows down the digestion of the ‘natural’ foods, that reduces blood sugar spikes and the resulting high insulin levels that come from those spikes. The insulin spikes are the culprits that occur more often with the processed carbs (wheat flour, sugar, etc.).

It is simply not that easy to come to a conclusion, but it is a fact that the less you eat (than your TDEE), the more you lose, or the more you eat (over your TDEE), the more you gain. It won’t matter if you eat the same number of calories of natural, processed or other foods. If you eat 4000 calories a day by eating broccoli or lard – you will gain weight either way. A calorie is a unit of energy, and does not vary by container. People can ignore that fact only at their weight loss peril. I note that many people on this site know that fact very well, and do whatever they can to both reduce their caloric intake and expend calories through sometimes large amounts of exercise.

franfit

9:05 pm
27 Jun 14
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jojo, I do see the adage much more frequently quoted the way ’round that you had it, it just happens to be incorrect that way, at least as regards fever. Actually I might make an exception for a fever that seems to be caused by a GI infection, as feeding yourself then also feeds the micro-organisms, possibly not good. Just wouldn’t want to see someone withhold food from a child with a fever based on misguided adage. If the child actually wanted to eat while ill in the first place, which is possibly unlikely. Would push fluids, but never food.

My weight is hanging at 114-114.6 pounds, will not push myself to over-eat this time and see what happens, wait to fast again until my weight naturally rises to 119 and stays there. I think. It’s got to at least stabilize eventually.

jojo58

11:26 am
28 Jun 14
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Simcoeluv,
You have point there, calorie guides do not differentiate between fresh and farmed. I am going to therefore have 25 % extra and put your theory to the test. Now that sort of experimentation I can live with. Yum
Franfit
Honestly I think the answer is what ever the body tells is to do unless we are very sick and the system is not coping. Hydration is a must not matter what though I think.
Ply
You will not believe this, couldn’t keep off the scales today, just felt really good. All fluid retention gone plus 2 lbs extra, I am thrilled.
Now do you remember I said I had to order new bra’s, well I made a very silly error on my order and two of them came two sizes too small. Well this morning after weighing I decided to try them before I sent them back. Unbelievable both a really good fit. Ok so out comes the tape measure. I have lost 4 1/2 inches from my bust, I am jumping up and down literally. Clothes buying will be so much easier now. I had not measured since April because my body did not feel significantly smaller, except waist now down 7.5 inches. I guess using sports bras all the time I didn’t notice the change.
Ok so I must get back to my kettlebell swinging before my bowls match. I don’t care if I win now. Who hoo…. Hoo. Sorry just had to share and my daughters not answering her phone. I am really looking forward to ADF now.
P.s. The spiraliser is a lot of fun and easy to clean, I love it. Done salad, soup( squash and red pepper), and stir fry – so quick and doing onions brilliant.

I hope everyone is as happy as me today.
Happy fasting or non fasting.

Feel a celebration coming on – new !!!!! Wait and see

LUVTCOOK

12:00 pm
28 Jun 14
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Congrats JoJo. Your hard work has paid off. So happy for you. Well done. You inspired me to order a kettlebell CD. My son has a 20lb kettlebell. I bit heavier than I would prefer to start with but free is free. What weight kbell are you using and likeing?

jojo58

12:14 pm
28 Jun 14
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Actually that is not a bad starter weight, I use 26 lbs or 18 kilo, but you can get a whole set very cheaply on line. I started with 5 lb until I got all the movements of swing sorted you do not want to drop a heavy one on your head or toe.

Tracy Reifkind is the expert that designed a program, she lost 100 pounds doing it size 24 to 8 and has kept it off for years. My inspiration. Her book is called the swing.
You only do 15 mins three times per week maximum. It’s really great and helps with upper body toning.

SAMM

12:40 pm
28 Jun 14
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http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htmn

Exercise calories

On mobile so im vague on the last 15 posts.

ply
I will guess that are doing very well and happy about how you control you meal times.

I will also suggest if can work out that ir would be in morning . Sounds like there isnt as much calories in you meals. So not as much need to tie exercise to meals. But you may be in the fat burning zone more in the mornings according to what say is typical for you. Wieght bearing compound movements. Where you use more than 1 muscle group. And there is many to choose from . Most likely not for life. But perhaps while you on the 2 lb a week trek.

aim for 2000 calories of exercise a week , across a week of feed days

deelite

2:40 pm
28 Jun 14
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SAMM- I was just interested by what you said about excersice in the morning burns more fat, is this the same for everyone?

So at my weigh in this morning the scale read 54kg over last months 55kg. I am slowly losing weight, woop

franfit

3:04 pm
28 Jun 14
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Good morning, fast trackers! Weight 114.8 this AM, very nice, the water-weight bouncing-around seems to have stopped since I stopped trying to over-eat so that I can fast. Or maybe it’s just a coincidence. Time will tell. Eventually I will figure out how to fast. Want decreased insulin, decreased IGF-1, increased BDNF. For now, happy with losing 40 pounds and feeling light and free again 🙂

deelite, congratulations on your weight loss — losing weight while already lean is especially tough to do! SAMM is right, if you exercise in the AM (before breakfast), you are exercising in the fasted state, with lower glycogen stores on hand, so you’ll burn through whatever glucose you have left faster and switch to burning fat, since your insulin levels will also be low. Only people I can think of for whom it might not be true are people with a lot of insulin resistance who keep high insulin levels all the time, they might be more likely to switch to burning protein. If you eat breakfast first, then I don’t think the time of day makes much difference, but I could be wrong, there might be something operating that I’m unaware of.

jojo, thrilled for you that the fat, water and inches have all come off! Excellent! Totally agree with you on listening to what the body wants.

Now I’m going to have to ask my PT about kettlebells. He has me working upper body with rubber bands and standing, hands-against-the-wall push-ups at this point, which is probably where I need to start.

Working Friday-Monday this weekend, but nice weather here. Happy Saturday to all 🙂

jojo58

6:16 pm
28 Jun 14
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Hi All,
This day gets better and better, we won our bowls game but the average age of the opposing team was 80+ and ours 60,s. Although I did admire one of their teams skill, they were hampered by a guy with Altz. Sadly he couldn’t even find his own woods. My team on the other hand were hampered by my poor delivery. Our Skip saved us on more than one occasion but the opponents skip was not as skilful. Nice people, very enjoyable. I am playing again tomorrow, let’s hope I play better.

Interesting reading the fat burn zone posts today, I usually do my kettle bell in the evening but I think I will switch it to am, worth a try. Looks like I will be getting up very early in future.

Sounds like all our fast trackers are making good progress, happy days.

Good luck with kettle bell swinging, you will love it, it’s actually fun when you get going, doesn’t hurt my bowling arm either. I can now bowl(10 pin) with a 12 lb instead of 10. I am considering getting a number three wood for bowls too.

jojo58

7:48 pm
28 Jun 14
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Anyone else watching Wimbledon, gripping tv. Selena Williams out – not her year.

SAMM

9:48 pm
28 Jun 14
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Yes franfit
thsts my guess.
Simcoeluv is right.
however there are in my opinion situations that more to fat fain and fat loss.

But not just + or –

like eating chocolate right before sleeping weight gain.

exercise after a fast two hours before eating again loss.

the time of day is irrelevant, however the effect of fasting . My understanding is more geared to have benifits with adf .

in my opinion you have benefit from fasting, cslorie restriction, a combination of fasting and calorie restrivtion. But I precieve there be a additional benefit from exercising withing two hours of eating regardless of the time of day.

to go further

statistically. Dieter lose more weight when getting 10 or more hours sleep every night.

By meal planning to enter a fat burning zone before you breakfast , exercising 1-2 hours befor that first meal.

its not alot of fat burn im speaking of. Its more of the ability to lower glycol reserves. Then when you hiit. You benefit.

remembet you can exercise twice as much , but you cant benefit twice as much..

really it comes down to the goal. And wether your able to exercise. Fasting and exercise are 25% as effective as better food nutrition.

If I have a favorite. Would be jojos hiit swim before eating first meal on feed day

I dont see the research on exercise tied to meals for thermic benefit. But I didnt dream it up. I heard it 30 years ago and have never forgot. But theres more than just exetcise. G2g will post more when on pc

LUVTCOOK

12:19 am
29 Jun 14
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JoJo thanks for the tips on the kettlebell. Can’t wait until my CD arrives. May look locally for a smaller on tomorrow as you recommend to “get the hang (or swing) or it”.

ply24mp

12:24 am
29 Jun 14
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Wow, Jojo! So much fantastic news! You deserve every bit of success for all of your hard work!!

deelite

7:41 am
29 Jun 14
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SAMM – wow 10 hours of sleep?! I wish haha. Last night I slept 8.5 hours and I thought that was a lot haha. Well I ran this morning, only a short one, but I didn’t eat breakfast yet. After just reading your post now, I think I will skip until lunch. Or maybe I’ll take some fruit around 11. Thank you that’s very interesting!!

So my friend told me about one of his HITT workouts the other day. Star jumps. Sounds easy….but I was aching for days! So all it is, is star jumps, as fast as you can for 20seconds, walk on the spot for 10 seconds, and repeat for 5 minutes. It’s easy to follow, and a good all body workout. I think you should all try it when you have a few minutes and tell me what you think. My friend has built this up to 15 minutes now!!

jojo58

7:47 am
29 Jun 14
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Good morning fast trackers,
Another lovely day here and revived after a good sleep. Weight down another pound and a half from yesterday so feeling good. Not fasting today but restricting calories to 1000 to try to lose last 1lb to get through 14 stone barrier. Wishful thinking on my part but why not, seems to be going well at the moment.

Good feed planned Monday, last supper before I start ADF on Tuesday, I will keep you updated. Most importantly I will be recording health benefits and disadvantages. Obviously I need to ensure I continue to be as active as usual and count calories but observe my energy levels. I think I am ready for it, I have six months fasting experience under my belt and as you know I am already very active.

I will continue with current exercises and sports but add early morning gym Friday to Monday (45 mins aerobic)and early morning kettle bell swing Tues, Thurs and Saturday. Still do yoga Monday and Friday and ballroom fitness plus badminton Monday. Thursday night 10 pin bowling. Tuesday and Sat ‘roll up’ at lawn bowls. Swim on Sunday(Hit). Oh yeah and aim at 20,000 steps daily – normal day plus three dog walks of 45 mins spread out throughout the day when cool for dogs, they don’t like it too hot, Monday to Friday only – dogs now spend weekend with my daughter because I am never home – crazy life. I love bowling but it is time consuming 4 hours at a time plus travel if it’s an away game. It can be a two hour journey each way for away games so we are out for the whole day so we get a bit of time to explore. Oh yeah plus plyometrics on trampet whenever I can fit it in(15 minute bouts)
So there will be very little cooking and minimum housework and gardening in July, planning simple meals spicey soup( make a weekly batch Friday night) and raw food- lots of salad with eggs or fresh fish.
If plan goes well I should be down 1 stone in six weeks, we shall see? Plan relies upon being healthy and no medication.

I retire at the end of July and plan to have a week in bed (total rest)in August reading and listening to my Spanish Language set on my iPod, I think it’s a treat I will deserve. I have a mountain of books to read but have decided to change to audio from now on, I can listen to them whilst walking and driving, makes sense, no more sitting about for me in future. Can’t find an active way to do my embroidery and sewing though, maybe on my exercise ball?

September-December focus – new man in my life, one that will appreciate me. Preferably one that can dance and cook his way into my heart.

Enough planning, time to get up and jet wash my path. Happy days, active ways.

Good luck everyone and enjoy your sunny Sunday.

jojo58

7:49 am
29 Jun 14
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Deelite
Star jumps are not on my agenda yet my sweet, maybe next year, I can’t even cope with skipping for three minutes.

deelite

9:07 am
29 Jun 14
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Skipping for 3 minutes is pretty hard, to be honest. But it’s 20 seconds intervals, maybe take a longer rest period. It actually hurt my arms more than any thing else!

ply24mp

9:59 am
29 Jun 14
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Good morning, all! Planned to sleep in today, but up at 5:30 as usual. 10 hours of sleep, SAMM? It is the stuff of dreams. I average about 7, but will work on extending this summer when I can sleep later.

Interesting stuff about exercise in the morning, SAMM. That has been my schedule all spring, and I will continue this summer, and also add the Pilates classes which are sometimes in the evening. I have been wanting to do Pilates for some time, so I are suited about having the time to commit to the classes 3 or 4 times per week so I can really learn the basics well. There are three different teachers over the course of the week, so I think I will get a comprehensive view of the exercises.

I love books on tape, Jojo! I have been listening since I started my job with a long commute 4 years ago. Loved listening to the Harry Potter series. Some of the readers are more like actors; really fantastic. I would also recommend Outlander by Diana Gabaldon. The reader is amazing.

Headed out for a run soon, just waiting for my running partner to wake up! It will be a quiet day of puttering around the house today after being gone most of the week. Finish power washing the deck and brick patio, laundry, meal planning, food shopping, unpacking, laundry, cooking. Tomorrow is the burial for my f-I-l, which will be just the family, followed by an afternoon at the beach. Back to work on Tuesday to finish cleaning out my room, then summer begins on Wednesday.

Fasting today, together with you all in spirit!

SAMM

12:30 pm
29 Jun 14
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But But! Snails don’t bite.

SAMM

1:12 pm
29 Jun 14
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I’m on a fat attack week.
I usually start on the last Friday of the month .
Making it up this time. Starting on Friday when I wake up. Ending 11 days later on a Monday morning.
Trying to stick as many calorie restriction efforts as possible.
Going to try ADF with JoJo , supplements, and jumping rope after large meals.

I’m off the the walking team at work for two weeks. Now on the juice cooler, as the pallet stacker, and forklift. This is much more strenuous , I’m barely able to do it. Hate it. But hoping it makes me stronger before it kills me. When I reach 200lbs I’ll switch to working in health foods store.
Reading a lot right now about supplements and what they claim to do. Over and over I see conflicts. I guess the first thing I’ll ask anyone will be. ” What does your doctor say?”

Ok my question today is about olives.
I was reading a can, and then looked up the nutrition data.

20%… 78%… 2%
Carbs Fats Protein
@5 calories per medium olive. Is this a good choice for dieting?

I was thinking of a 100 calorie intake.
1 slice fat free swiss cheese fortified.25 calories
1 slice Ham 40 calories
5 olives 25 calories
1/2 brazil nut 10 calories.

Followed by a protein shake of 100 calories 1 hour later with water.

Hoping this will hold off hunger pangs for 4 hours. No need for exercise due to the activity at work.

Start weight june 29, 2014. 232lbs

Will be trying the 600 calories approach every other day.
Jumping rope before sleeping end of fast day. Jumping rope begin feed day before first meal.
Planning to restrict 6800 calories over ten days. Also trying for 3500 calories of exercise over ten days.

My GP gave me a yellow light to lose 10 lbs as long as I don’t spike above 300 two hours after meals.
I volunteered my self test results from every meal. So she gave me a caution to proceed.

My goal is to get to 224 lbs , because that will be 50lbs loss.

Goal after that will be to round down to 200.

SAMM

5:54 pm
29 Jun 14
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Deelite franfit answered better than I would of about ply24’s schedule.

Only way to know if that is what’s really going on is t use keto sticks .
However I dont believe any of us are wanting to diet in a crash diet way.
Normal eating days with a some low calorie days.
My point was ply schedule looked like she could benefit in a fat release way. As opposed to eating and exercising closely together to better .metabolize .

I agree with simcoeluv that the math is very strong. However I take the opinion that human body adjusts to intake. Meaning im always at maximum on carb stores, glycol stores then my metabolism isn’t geared for burning fat. So more often the the human body enter the state of low glycol storage and starts accessing fat. More , more more, The metabolism ” learns”. Not the best way to articulate it but perhaps. The more often the human body is low on glycol the more it becomes accustomed to accessing fat storage..

So the exercise may not be a great big number according to pounds of fat burned. However it set up the body to be accustomed to release fat for fuel. A dieter may go to extent of using keto sticks to see if it’s happening regularly . Or keep up the regimen and see if the scale indicates it’s working . If it is . Working .
Then hold the door open as long as you can! And beware of burning muscle . But that’s simple to adjust to. The difficult part is moving from. Eating emotionally to eating as calorie restriction. Simicoeluv will keep pounding his message . And he’s right . However being able to identify when a human is able to lose fat stores specifically by diet and exercise . The metabolism changes from hour to hour night to day, dieters in my opinion are able to sieze a snap shot of when they are in fat release mode , and what has led to when is the door open and can it be held open longer per the individual. Not entirely the math. But nearly entirely. Someone not accustomed to releasing fat may burn protein from their muscles . That’s where keto sticks are a wise choice of approach. My understanding is you get doms as the flag to watch for unscientifically. You get doms. Your burning muscle.

So veer of from ply to me.
I’m just learning and guessing.
I’ve learned how to monitor my carbs with glucose meter.
I’ve learned how to keto sticksmto know when to apply exercise and hold off on food intake.
I’ve learned not to get doms when keto sticks indicate I’m not burning fat.

Looking over my notes and looking at ply tentative. Schedule. I’m guessing her weight bearing exercise should be at the end of her fast. In that case it would make her metabolism more accustomed to switching from glycogen to fat rather than glycogen to protein. If it were an isolated fast. Say 72-96 hours. I wouldn’t guess or suggest anything. I just don’t know.
Based on my personal experience , and that ply isn’t a fasting newbie. Meaning her first 20lbs have been lost. Adding that ply is also trying for more than 1lb a week. . I spoke up.

I have no expectations of advice ,suggestion , guesses, or recommendations. I’m just a simple man, with nothing but my own untrained experience to ponder. I’m greatful for simcoeluv guidance. It’s very good formula, however I don’t believe it encompasses all variables. There are things we just don’t know yet. Some of us can only point to.
Dr M points to H.I.I.T and N.E.A.T and I believe he’s onto some answers there.

If I eat a fry up at 9am. And wait to walk 10000 steps until 9pm will it have the same effect? As walking sighing two hours before or after the fry up . And what if the previous day was a fast. I just. Don’t know where to find results on studies specifically bloof dat.

Basically. Saying
Lowering carb stores
Lower fat in the blood
Exercising at the end of a fast may IMO accustom my body to release fat stores more readily than burning protein.

Then there the Igf1 factors. I’m JAFO on Igf1.
My understanding is calorie restriction is pointer for igf1

So I probably made something easy understand less understandable , but there is the doable factor.
Some dieter don’t want to understand it. , they just want it to work.

If your eating above tdee. Exercise at meal time
If your eating below tdee exercise two hours before the end of your fast.

If youre sedentary then it is just about the math.

jojo58

9:05 pm
29 Jun 14
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Good evening fast trackers,

Let’s not get bogged down in the debate about ‘losing weight being just about the math’. Let’s just agree to ‘differ’ base our owes on our own experiences.

I have had a very constructive day, lots of chores done, had a friend round for a cuppa and played( lost) a game of bowls in freakish weather conditions, high wing, hot sunshine, rain – a real pain. I actually played really well but it was triples and I was lead so my well placed bowls counted for nothing by the time we finished. As they say you can’t win them all, friendly competitors, it was fun.

Ply you sound like you have been busy too. Joining Sam and I on ADF?

My daughter lost another two pounds this week, making 8 in three weeks, better than me. She is only 7 pounds from goal now(9 stone) lucky girl.

SAMM- sounds like a plan – glad you are joining me. This fasting lark never gets boring does it. Change, that is a key, don’t give your body a chance to get used to what you are doing.

Looking forward to finding out if I have gone into 13 stone band tomorrow. Kept food light today to help.

Have a happy week everyone

SAMM

10:13 pm
29 Jun 14
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You got that right JoJo .
When I look through my journal , the foods nev er seem to be the same.

Now my foods come delivered and getting everything prepped is 1/2 hour of putting into bags and or freezer. ..
Yes my plan is ADF , and tdee. Trying fir the 19.5/4.5 again- 4 1/2 window to eat carbs and protein.

Not sure if I can jump right back in. Beans are my back up. Jumping rope ,just keep on. With the winded work. I got to 7 minutes last week non stop. Has taken 5 months to get to seven minutes. 3 more minutes to go.

Still watching tv on stability ball. When I don’t skip.

SAMM

11:02 pm
29 Jun 14
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Just sharing .
I had to buy 3 more pair of jeans size 38 to make all my pants 38 waist or less. The 40s I bought when I started my job no longer stay on unless my belt is cutting off circulation and causing pain. I wore size 46 when I first watched Eat, Fast, Live Longer.

JoJo. I will not try to steal your thunder at the 50lbs mark :p but letting you know I’ve only got 8lbs to go.
I’m estimating I’ll be at 50lbs mark first week of august.

Be well friends!

SAMM

11:11 pm
29 Jun 14
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I’m not getting email notices from the fast beach thread I was on. Honestly I’ve just been on this thread lately. Howls the rest of the threads going?

jojo58

11:48 pm
29 Jun 14
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SAMM,
Feel free to steal my thunder if you get there first, it’s team work here. I have 3.5 lbs to go but some of that 50 was before I started Fasting( since Nov 3rd 13 when I signed on to fitness pal) 46.5 in 34 weeks, since Fasting January it’s only 37 in 26 weeks, what are your stats since January?
Actually I started diet at 17 st 9 lbs last June so I have been on a diet for one year now, not far until I reach 4 stone off stage, another marker. So 65 pounds in 52 weeks, not bad, but there were a few gaps last year when I stopped dieting and almost a month gap on fasting when I moved house in March. All in all I am pleased but i am happier losing 2 lb per week in preference to one. Much more satisfying.

38 waist sounds good. Having the same problem here, just taken in two pairs of shorts on my sewing machine tonight. Funny really I need to wear a belt almost daily now, previously hadn’t worn one for about 25 years. Teehee skinny me. ( ok slight exaggeration but it’s all relative).

I can’t sleep tonight because I am so excited about weighing in tomorrow. These stone barriers just seem so important. I can’t even remember being in the 13 stone zone, it’s soooooo loooong ago.

Ok going to read my book, that should promote my 10 hours sleep.

jojo58

6:50 am
30 Jun 14
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Good morning fast trackers,

Slept like a baby but did not make it through the stone barrier, scales decided I needed another fast day today. Should not have had the cakes and biscuits at bowls yesterday. Thought I could get away with it as I had fasted all day. Had a three egg mushroom omelette for tea. Lots of fruit too. So the mistake ? Not enough water or vegetables- roughage is so important and eggs bind you up, if I had been food wise that last pound would be gone now, what was I thinking ? Silly me. I also didn’t manage my 20,000 steps yesterday, only about 8,000(at bowls) so it’s all my own fault, no excuses. Tough love talk necessary please. Oh well one more day won’t kill me, just make me stronger.

Today’s another day and it’s still June so I can make amends before tomorrow. If I lose it tomorrow I will have lost 5 1/2 pounds this month, not the planned 10 but not bad as it could have been (with being on medication) which stopped me dead for two weeks. Also I attended a lot of social events(far too many buffets).

So I won’t have my treat meal tonight, just a fasting meal, rewards are for goal achievers. So I am planning a really active day. Kettlebell swing, Dog walk for an hour, cleaning drive- power wash – ballroom fitness, yoga, swim with hit, and badminton- that should sort the steps count.

I think I am going to look into painting the walls in my flat, I need to have more inspiring colours and decor to put me in a dynamic rather than relaxed mood. Maybe I will look into Samm’s ‘aroma’ slimming too. I tend to like lemon, lavender or vanilla type smells but I probably need coffee or some other stimulant. Ideas guys?

Still six months without alcohol now- that’s an achievement for sure and probably responsible for at least one third of my weight loss. That may be a permanent change I think, luckily I am good at relaxing and enjoying myself without it.

SAMM – you are so right, snails don’t bite, but they eat all the marigolds which then do not look so attractive, bald stalks don’t really do it for me aesthetically but I take your point. Do you have lots of pots on your balcony? Or is it just a sitting area?

Ply – I hope it all goes well today, thinking of you and send cyber hugs.

Deelite- tried star jumps – too intense on my bad hip, may be possible on the big trampoline but my daughter is now taking this on, thanks for the tip, keep them coming.

LUVTCOOK- did you try some kettlebell swing? Hope it went well.

Fran- you sound so happy and must look fabulous, I am so jealous – size 10 now?

Simcoeluv- I referred your calorie count differentiation between fresh and farmed fish to my nutritionalist to check out. She has contacts that may be able to enlighten us more. Watch this space!

Amzta- are you ok? Missing your input honey.

What happened to our newbies? They come and go or just read threads but don’t commit their own thoughts and ideas. I really believe it’s my commitment to this thread that keeps me enthused and on track. What do you think? Does it help you?

I hope everyone has a good fast day and bye bye last pound in this stone level.

deelite

9:09 am
30 Jun 14
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Speaking of HITT workouts I have found this and just started it today.

It’s called 30 days of HITT and everyday is a different workout. No equipment need and most only take around 5minutes (depending on what level)

http://neilarey.com/programs/30-days-of-hiit.html

Check it out. They are easy to follow. Might do today’s workout again later

amzta

11:28 am
30 Jun 14
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Hi all!

So I’m feeling a bit better after trying to sleep my cold off and taking loads of Echinacea and vitamin C! Enjoyed my birthday dinner on Sat and had alcohol for the first time in a month. Only 3 drinks though, seem to have lost the taste for it!

Saturday’s weigh-in results:

Starting weight: 11st 12lbs
Weight last week: 11st 4lbs
Current weight: 11st 3.5lbs
This weeks loss: -0.5lbs
Total loss: 8.5lbs
Short term goal: 11st 2lbs by July 4th
Long term goal : 10st by December 1st

So only half a pound lost this week which I’m still pleased with as my exercise was a lot less than usual due to the cold. Also two of my fast days were only semi-fasts.

This week I’m aiming for 3 very good fast days (Mon, Tues, Thurs) and lots of exercise. Running tonight and ab workout. Will weigh in Friday eve as I’m off to Mexico the next day!

Love Amz xxxx