Jojo, how can any health professional look at your success and do anything but endorse your methods?
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What a tough day yesterday was. I don’t remember going to sleep.
Jojo great going on that pedometer. If I’m not your biggest fan I still routing for you all the way.
I hold back on the whey protein as milk seems to make me spike for some reason.
Will have more time over the weekend to listen to lectures. I can’t quite wrap my head around the world being anything but flat! So big thanks simicoeluv .
Going back to work last day of the week
You’ve never let me down, Jojo, only inspired me! I have been pushing to get my 15,000 steps in, but missed by a couple of thousand yesterday. Reached the goal or more for 8 of last 10 days, so pleased with that effort. Scales are still a bit sluggish, but clothes are feeling and looking better every day. I am noticing changes all over…more shapely wrists and shoulders…not kidding. I have indentations in places that used to jut out!
Have fun on your date tonight, Jojo! I am having dinner with the friend who told me about 5:2 back in February!
Good morning fast trackers!
jojo, I hope your shopping trip cheers you up and that the fever managed to burn off a few calories for you π Hate to hear you sounding a bit discouraged, you work as hard as anyone I know! Thursday nights? Zumba gold! π Are there any embroidery shops in your area where people gather and socialize as they stitch, or is it only knitters who do that? Our knitting shop owner is on vacation at the moment, leaving us temporarily homeless here, lol.
ply, aren’t the changes amazing? All my veins are showing again!
SAMM, have a good day at work and lots of good sleep afterward!
JIP, how is it going?
deelite, how is the fasting going for you?
amzta, I forgot all about that Avon lotion! Never tried it myself, but have heard good things about its mosquito-repelling powers.
Only 8,500 steps yesterday, but 11,000 on Wednesday and 14,000 on Tuesday. Weight still holding between 117 and 118. Fasting today, leftovers in the fridge for tonight, posted the recipe for Ricotta Parmesan Pie With Fresh Herbs on the recipe list yesterday. Better get moving, get to work!
The new clothes sound beautiful, Jojo! It is so much more fun to get dressed now!
Hope your hip gets better. I had some trouble with one of mine several years ago, but seems to have righted itself.
I was looking forward to hearing about the big date! Nice of him to make it clear that he really wanted to see you with the flowers, and I suppose a new grandbaby is a good excuse! I have a date night with my hubby tonight which I am looking forward to. Did I ever mention that we are married for the second time, to each other? We were apart/divorced for 5 years, and remarried over 7 years ago! So be careful about spending too much time with your ex! π
Make sure you post good recipes and ideas for the veg scene. I find that looking for recipes that include meat, and then replacing the meat with eggplant, mushrooms, or some other “meaty” vegetable really opens up the options more than searching for strictly vegetarian recipes. Also, have you seen this?:
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/paderno-sprializer/
I make zucchini “noodles” with my mandoline, but this looks like fun!
Hi fast trackers! Lots of work today, I’m picking up a new client family, walked about a mile and a half to the bank and back again at lunchtime, beautiful weather, 9500 steps and 0 calories so far today π looking forward to my late fasting dinner this evening.
jojo, that sounds like a wonderful shopping trip and lunch! I would enjoy the ploughman’s except for the ham. What is brown pickle? I understand about not feeling ready for dating. There’s someone who works in the building where my clients like who I’ve been thinking about asking if he would like to go do something of an evening for months now without doing a thing about it. But maybe something will still happen with this too-posh gentleman? I agree take care of that hip, giving it a bit of a break if necessary, before it gets worse, more disability would be a serious hindrance at this point.
Glad your book came, ply! How many days did it take?
SAMM, I hope you are getting some rest.
Hope everyone else has been out enjoying beautiful weather today, wherever you all are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42qfCFCbttk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Anyone. Using resistance tubes?
My apologises for late reply, I had written a reply but I didn’t notice it never sent!
Anyway second day of fasting on Thursday went well, I got a little snacky at the end of the day but I was still within 500cal! π generally I’ve found fast days easier to track because I know that food is limited more so than regular days.
I was a little bad last night as we had a Spanish festival at work and I drank probably more sangria than I should of (but man it was good haha)
I am pleased with my weigh in this morning of 55.1kg. Even though on paper it is the same as last week, I fell of the diet train for 3 days before finding this diet and went straight back to 56.5kg so now I am back on track, hopefully I can break into the 54kg bracket next week!!
How is everyone else’s fasts going?!
I know what you mean Deelite. I go to the store sometimes and feel like finding what I went in for are needles in the hay stacks. My food habits have changed. I keep notes on recipes and the calorie counts for cups of ingredients. I now realize how much poor quality foods are out there in the store isles, that taste great, but not what I would put on my menu. I finally had to just find a local store that delivers it to me. I used to do this long time ago when my father was Ill. I like having absolute control over the 7 day menu now. I do however stop at my favorite vegetable markets often. And then use http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000992000000000000000.html to look up what I need to know.
This particular link is to the anti inflammatory rated foods. Which is no longer available so if anyone is Intrested in anti inflammatory rated list. . Might want to copy this list.
Good morning fast trackers π
My scales said 115.2 this AM, down from 116.2 last Saturday and down from 117.8 yesterday morning! So that increase to 117.8 must have been water, I thought it was, I knew I hadn’t done anything that would cause me to gain that much fat! This week I ended up doing two proper fasting days and one 50% of calories day. So, I will plan the same for this week (hopefully being able to do 16:8 on the 50% day), and, if I stay in the 115-116 range at the end of the week, back off to regular 5:2. Easing my way into maintenance here.
So, jojo, I am thinking that your two pounds contains a lot of water, too, from being sick, and will indeed come off quickly. I’m sure you didn’t do anything to make you gain two pounds of fat! Was it your hip keeping you awake last night?
I got a mandoline a few months ago, my son and I both love it, it’s a very useful tool in the kitchen, I especially like it for slicing fennel very fine and turning jicama into matchstick julienne, for salads. I got a microplane at the same time and we love that, too, especially for grating nutmeg into omelettes and fritattas and ginger into all kinds of things; it’s good when you want garlic grated very finely, too. I have to justify every piece of equipment to my son because he has to find a place to store it in our tiny kitchen, lol, and he’s very happy that we got both of these. Anything that makes fresh vegetables quicker and easier to prepare or that makes it easier to add lots of flavor to food is worth it in my book.
jojo, it is hard to go to social events with lots of food and drink when fasting, I do think it’s probably easier to eat nothing, maybe hold a glass of sparkling water, than to try to decide and regulate exactly how much of what to eat. Especially because once you start eating, people start offering you more and more things to taste.
SAMM, I do like resistance bands and tubes, I wonder if my PT will suggest exercises with them. In some ways they are easier to use than free weights, you don’t really need a spotter, although my son is willing to spot me. I also think that having food delivered is a really good way to avoid trouble at the grocery store. I really hate the big supermarkets. Most of what’s in there I have no interest in. Now I go shop for just what I need each day at my local food co-op, and go to the food section at Target for the few things that I can’t get/are too expensive at the co-op. Target does have some very good plain frozen fish and shrimp, frozen berries and cherries, and canned tomato products that we use in recipes. Sometimes I can get 1000-gram tubs of the Greek yogurt that I like there, too, and save $5US over buying 2 500-gram tubs at the co-op. Oddly, dried beans and rice are cheaper at the co-op.
deelite, I’m glad that fasting is working out well for you π
Gorgeous day here today. I had a busy week and am tired, but hope to spend a good deal of it outdoors, hopefully get to Zumba Gold, too π
@jojo58
” I think there is nothing uglier than protruding veins in arms of women, gross.”
Uglier?
Some of the better athletic women have blood flowing through their veins and showing them when exerting. I suspect that the fear of protruding veins holds many women back from strength building exercises. Slim people will show veins more easily. It’s how we’re built.
The focus is strengthening the body and the looks will take care of themselves.
Besides, great veins come in handy when donating blood.
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“… it is hard to go to social events with lots of food and drink when fasting, I do think itβs probably easier to eat nothing, ”
For me, it’s easier to eat something, especially in the company of others, even if it’s a fasting day.
I can be more selective and minimize the quantity, somewhat.
There may be concessions on some occasions.
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jojo, glad to hear you sounding more like your usual upbeat self. Sending hopeful thoughts for your friend’s daughter and grand-daughter. My son was born 2 lbs. 3 oz. 12 weeks early after an emergency C-section following 24 hours of labor we spent trying to stop it and keep him in. Remembering that special unit well.
You probably already know that bread (and other carbs) as well as anti-inflammatories can cause water retention.
I should probably post the basic beans recipe on the recipe list, cooking them so as to reduce phytates increases nutrition as well as reducing gas and improving flavor. Having frozen homemade basic beans in the freezer makes vegetarian cooking easier.
Very tired earlier this morning, starting to perk up, better get myself moving!
jojo, congratulations on a successful fast day and a clean and tidy flat! Wish I could say the same about my room, lol!
I am tired because I had to go in to work for an hour at 10 PM two nights this week to train night carers in a new piece of equipment, plus from the stress of meeting a new client family and trying to work out how to fit their schedule with mine and my other clients’. I help families care for elders with dementia or depression (or both). I generally start out as a companion for the elder person or couple a few hours a week, and take on additional duties as the care needs get more complex. I’ve been in need of a new client for a while, there is no money left to play with, but there’s always a bit of an adjustment. The problem is my CFS/ME, it’s ridiculously easy for me to overdo it, the line is very thin, and if I really overdo it I could land back in bed for weeks, which would be a disaster, so, when I’m tired, I pull back. I have been eating a bit more on non-fasting days than when I was trying to lose weight, but have not yet added as many calories as I theoretically could, I would like to stay at the lower end of my maintenance range for a week or two first. I’m not doing low-carb, at some point I might like to try it to see if it will target belly fat, but I have a number of obstacles to overcome, such as my dislike of meat and meat-like products, need to avoid going overboard on protein, limit soy to once or twice a week because of breast cancer history, son who cooks half the time liking white pasta and rice, etc. So that’s a project for some point in the future, when I figure out a menu I could live with for at least a few weeks. I admit it. I’m a picky eater. Better to focus on fitness first, I think. I’m stuck with baby steps. So I had to choose between Zumba Gold and walking to do my various errands today. Since the weather was really beautiful today, I chose walking. Still, just 9,600 steps, but that’s all for today folks, I’m done. I wanted to try cooking a coconut shrimp curry tonight but asked my son to cook instead, just want to rest a bit, got to work in the morning.
My son was such a tiny thing! He’s still having some difficulty getting completely grown up, but he is a good person and good to live with, so I really appreciate him for those things. Four-pounders can do very well these days, not have to go through the kind of troubles that my little two-pounder faced, for sure. But no matter what your medical background is, having your own child in newborn intensive care can be a very scary thing.
I’m not fond of needlework deadlines. Good luck with your embroidery! At least you have something that you have to get done while you sit still and let your hip rest a bit. Glad you will see your doc about it, hope they have something useful to offer.
Franfit.
Baby steps lead to many paths. Choose the ones you’ve look forward to.
228lbs this week. I’m on paleo this week. Learning to cross it with anti cancer diet.
When I look for the bad in the grocery I certainly find it. When I look for the good not many seem to be able to show me where to find it.
1 (15 ounce) can red kidney beans, drained and rinsed
1 garlic clove
1 -2 tablespoon lemon juice (to taste)
1/4 teaspoon salt (or to taste)
1/4 teaspoon smoked paprika
1/8 teaspoon cumin
1/8 teaspoon black pepper
1 1/2 teaspoons apricot preserves
1 tablespoon olive oil
1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese (optional, leave out to make the dish vegan and lactose free) or 1 tablespoon Cotija cheese (optional, leave out to make the dish vegan and lactose free)
I stuffed this into mini sweet peppers. I put in 1 Serrano pepper for better anti inflammatory score.
Not a fast day food. But is one of my prized healthy meals
SAMM, I am really happy to hear that you are trying an approach that’s low in carbohydrates — I think this gives you an excellent chance to get your blood sugar under control and lower your insulin level π and your recipe sounds delicious, I will have to try it, stuff it into hot peppers since my son doesn’t like the sweet ones.
Taking baby steps toward better fitness. Have hopes for working with the physical therapist to develop good workout that won’t aggravate any of my problems. If that doesn’t work out I will find another way. But PTs are usually pretty good when someone is motivated and communicates clearly what they want. And if I disagree I can say ‘call my doc, talk to him’ and have some hope of getting things straightened out.
Grocery stores are a minefield of dangerous food-like substances. Too bad the real food is hidden away in there, too, lol.
Do you ever cook your own beans from the dried ones? It is very easy if you have a crock-pot or slow cooker and they taste much better. I make a pound or more at a time, use some, freeze the rest for later. We especially like a mixture of pintoes and black beans. I’m looking for a source for dried cannellini beans, we really like them, too.
Wow Jojo, that sounds like an awesome party! Yeh a film star sounds like a good idea, now yiu can get all glamed up :p
Can’t wait to get back in the gym tomorrow after all these rehearsals, I’ve had no time! I’m doing a 50/50 fast today because I want to get into 4:3 and I only started on Tuesday. The sun is so hot here in Southern Germany this week I’m probably loosing 2kg of water everyday! Trying to keep hydrated hahah!
Four shows today and tomorrow, the most we can have in a day!
Do any of you have a fitbit tracker?
Well it’s just 40mins, it doesn’t seem long but from every number it’s a quick change and then the next.
Yeh I have one, I really like it but I have gotten out of the habit of using it at the moment. Mainly because I can’t always wear it in the show. A lot of the time people over estimate the amount of calories they use. It also has a food log on the app too but the food catlelog isn’t as good as the one on my fitness pal, or lose it. But I love everything else about it
When it comes to beans it’s good to understand their benefit first.
Red beans have THE HIGHESTantioxidant rating of all foods!
Then blueberries not as musical butt good for non fasting day antioxidant meal. Especially in salads as dried fruit.
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Please absorb antioxidants into you’re knowledge my friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_antioxidants_in_food
Wow JoJo that some great steps, happy for you keeping on.
Here’s another link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_dieting
I can’t remember exactlywhere in the thread this was in question , but I thought to post it.
Not starvation mode, but metabolic response to changes in the diet.
Hi Jojo and company, sorry I have not been contributing but I am reading all threads.
Fasting today, Monday Nordic walking a.m. and bowling p.m. There is a meal on, it’s a special Lady president game but I will be good, I do to want to be over goal on Tuesday WW.
Jojo I will be reading the threads to get all the lovely comments but I do not think 2 lb a week is ever going to be in my Fasting capabilities with all my tablets steroids and thyroxine etc. I think you have done well to put up with my pound a week contribution for the last 500 threads. So I will wish you all the best, keep up the good work. JIP
Good morning, fast trackers! π
Sorry for not writing yesterday — I was really tired after working in the morning, took a short walk to the food co-op, spent the afternoon reading in “The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living” by Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney (an *extremely* interesting book, BTW, I will say more later), and cooked a lovely fast-day dinner with some beautiful, dark red, wild sockeye salmon. Only about 5,000 steps, but I decided to cut myself a break, I was tired.
Well, now I know one reason why I was so tired! Scales read 114.0 this AM after 116.0 Sunday, 115.2 Saturday, 117.8 Friday, hovering 116-118 all last week. So I basically dropped between one and three pounds of fat in the last few days, after my weight loss having slowed for a while. Since I’m now supposed to be maintaining, I guess I need to back off the fasting a bit more! So, no more fast days this week unless I go over 117, the mid-point of my maintenance range, for sure.
This is going to feel really weird, fasting only one day a week.
JIP, you have achieved amazing weight loss while having to take steroids and having low thyroid function as well. Utterly amazing. Most people find it virtually impossible to lose any weight at all under those conditions!
SAMM, I will have to use more red kidney beans, try your stuffed peppers recipe. Our favorites are black, pinto, and cannellini. I discovered I can order dried cannellinis from bulkfoods.com, I should order a bunch of cumin seeds from them as well. We grind some of our own spices in a coffee grinder, their flavor is much better that way. Cumin seeds, coriander seeds, cinnamon. Use a food mill as a pepper grinder, a microplane for nutmeg.
jojo, I read something alarming in the book I mentioned above, in chapter 18, point 7. I’m going to quote the whole thing:
“Most people feel better and function better if they get a modest amount of regular exercise. On average across the population, thin people get more exercise than heavy people. People who exercise across a lifetime live longer. But the extrapolation of these observations — that if heavy people exercised a lot more they’d be thin and live longer — is not supported by science. Nonetheless, that is the message that many health care professionals and the media consistently communicate to heavy people.
“Here are some basic (but often ignored) facts. Fitness is primarily an inherited trait. Training can increase aerobic power at most by 10-20%, but (figuratively speaking), a different choice of parents would increase or decrease your fitness by as much as 50% (129). It takes about 350 miles of running or 1000 miles of cycling to burn off 10 pounds of body fat (assuming that your appetite doesn’t increase or your metabolism slow down). Unfortunately, when heavy people exercise regularly, their resting metabolism slows — this is not a typo! — it SLOWS by 5 to 15% on average. Based on the results of 4 tightly controlled, inpatient human studies, instead of losing 10 pounds, the average person loses 7 pounds with this much exercise, and some people lose at little as 2 or 3 (130-133). These studies specifically demonstrated that this less-than-expected weight loss was attributable to the observed reduction in metabolic rate.
“Exercise done by heavy people causes a lot of collateral damage. Think ankles, knees, hips, and low backs. So here’s a radical idea (which of course is totally out of place in this book): let heavy people try carbohydrate restriction first, lose some weight (which most do without resorting to exercise), and then let them decide when to become more active once they are empowered, energized, and lighter of foot.
“Making heavy people exercise is punitive. Enabling heavy people to lose weight and then become more fit is smart.”
The book is aimed primarily at health care practitioners, I think the authors are cautioning them not to push exercise too hard on people who want/need to lose weight. The point I would take from it for myself (having recently been heavy) is, when exercise starts to feel punitive rather than good, pull back.
Here are links to the abstracts of the references for the decrease in resting metabolism, or, when I could get it, the full text of the study. In some cases it’s not possible to decipher from the abstract how the study supports the point the authors are making here, because sometimes the main objective of the study was something else, and the effect on resting metabolism was an incidental finding.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16358397
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/36/3/478.full.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3405093
http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/0026-0495(89)90078-4/abstract?cc=y=?cc=y=
OR, if that link is truncated, try:
http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/0026-0495(89)90078-4/pdf
Whew! Sorry for that long quote, I just have never seen that information anywhere else.
Another little gem I got from this book is that the kidneys hold onto or let go of up to 2 liters of water in a totally random way, on top of anything else that may cause water retention or diuresis. So on any given day you can gain or lose 2 pounds of water weight for no apparent reason. One reason why daily weighing can drive us nuts, and why even weekly weights don’t always reflect fat gain or loss.
I am really impressed by the recent science behind low-carb eating. Although I doubt I need to go really low carb, I’m considering ways to increase protein to at least 20% of calories (I’m probably at more like 15% now) and gradually cut carbs to 33% of calories (125 grams of carbs per day), it’s probably more like 55-60% now. I think this will be a process and take a while. One thing I should probably do is get hemoglobin A1C, triglycerides, and HDL checked first, to see if I even need to bother. I was going to wait until I’d done maintenance for a couple of months, but may do it sooner. This way I can know if I need to worry about visceral fat or not and have some kind of plan for dealing with it if I do.
Phew, this thread is so active and chock-full of information! It is difficult to keep up with!
Franfit, your efforts are admirable on a personal and professional front! We were visiting with my father-in-law on Saturday. He is doing poorly with several health issues, and seems to be in a deep depression as well. Very difficult for all, especially my mother-in-law.
Looking at your weight stats, it seems that 6:1 might be the way to go for maintenance. I can only keep taking my baby steps and hope to get there over the next month or two! Choosing between Zumba Gold or walking for errands put the image of you doing Zumba Gold for errands…that would be something, a little samba on the way to the market!!
Got a good start on my steps this morning at the gym. It was a very social weekend, lots of food and drink, but no gain on the scales this morning. Read most of Fast Beach last night, 24-hour fast until 5 pm tonight!
@samm, your stuffed peppers sound fab! Will try them soon.
@jojo, hope your stitching is going well, and you meet your deadline. If you are half as determined with your needlework as you are with diet and exercise, it’s a sure thing!
Have a great day everyone!
Franfit, you are at my goal weight. When you fast now, do you liquid fast or still eat the 500cal?
Currently I am stuck on 121lbs and can’t get the scale to budge. The last two days have been very demanding on the body and I have found it hard to stick to the fast. Tomorrow I will try again because I have a day off.
I know I have only just started and things take time but I’m only looking to loose 3-4 lbs total
jojo, I agree, being fit is actually more important for health than being slim is. I am actually one of those people (like Michael Mosley) who does not really enjoy exercise for its own sake. I enjoy being outdoors, so I do love walking, hiking, gardening (and, once upon a time, cross-country skiing or ice skating in winter). I love music, so dancing or other movement to music also works for me. If we had badminton around here, I believe I could enjoy that because of the social aspect, if it was very non-competitive. I’m a born klutz, totally uncoordinated, need forever to learn the simplest movements, have a fear of team sports since school because I hold my team back so much. But just plain exercise feels tedious and boring to me. I really don’t get anything out of a workout other than a feeling of having been virtuous. When I see the PT I need to get him to design something that my son will have to spot me on, so that I have someone to be accountable to for keeping up with my schedule for exercise. Because I really would like to be fitter (well, I already am a lot fitter than I was a few months ago, 10,000 steps used to wipe me out). But more fitter π
A replacement for coffee in what way — not caffeine — something hot to drink in the AM? Or after meals? Or something to pour over ice in the summer (what we do with coffee at my house)?
Hi franfit:
You haven’t seen that information anywhere else? You don’t read my posts? (just kidding) The exercise leads to low metabolism thing is surprising for most people, who think that if you exercise a lot and have a lot of muscles you have a high metabolism. Athletes really have low metabolisms – their resting heart rates can go into the 40s. While I need 3500 calories to run 18 miles, true runners can run a marathon on fewer than 3000. And, athletes have lower body fat percentages. When a pound of fat has mile(s) of blood vessels that blood has to be pumped through, lower fat levels with the lower weights that come with less fat make for much less work that needs to be done to keep on going (that is, a lower metabolic rate).
I know from some of your posts you are concerned with eating too much protein. May I suggest eating more fat calories instead? You can do that by eating more nuts or perhaps sautΓ©ing veggies in coconut or olive oil. Just a thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
Hi again franfit:
“jojo, I agree, being fit is actually more important for health than being slim is.”
Research shows that a fat person that is physically active lives as long as a thin person that is physically active, and longer than thin people that are physically inactive.
And I don’t think there is, or should be, a replacement for coffee!
simcoeluv, thanks for the suggestion, and, yes, I am eating more fat as well as more protein π — just trying not to get my increased calories in maintenance from a whole bunch of carbs. I am now convinced that I can safely go up from where I am with protein, but would still like to stay at the low end of the protein amount recommended by the New Atkins authors. I know the amount of protein in the diet is not a strain on the kidneys until you actually have kidney disease, but the problem is that you usually have it for a long time before you know you have it, and, well, having had a renal angioplasty (because of fibromuscular dysplasia of the renal arteries) and having known people on dialysis, you can imagine how I feel about that. I’m at high enough risk that I’m not allowed to take NSAIDs, for example. What I really love is cheese, and cream on my strawberries, but less sure about adding too much saturated fat until I get my carbs down, so got some pumpkin seeds to try when I was at the market the other day π
Oh, and I always do cook veggies in a little fat, no plain steamed veggies here, not when I live with someone on a calorie-dense diet, and, besides, they taste better and you absorb the nutrients in the veg better. Just tried the pumpkin seeds, they are an OK change from almonds, would probably be better with a little salt. Will keep trying new foods.
franfit:
Your health is your number one priority and in dealing with unique health issues the only thing to do is rely on your doctor’s advice and your own common sense.
On one other comment in one of your posts, it does seem to be true that people don’t often browse around this site. Some threads even seem to be exclusive. I enjoy checking the recent posts because I’m always in search of new information provided by the posters and feel I can help some people that I otherwise would not if I limited myself to a single thread. I have started several threads, but none are designed to generate lots of responses. I link to them to answer common questions.
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