Tobias Karlsson

hmmm

mayb that is why my results were still high

even though they r now lower
since TFDL (thefastdaylifestyle 😀 )

being a type2diab on LCHFM (lowcarbhighfatmediterranean 😀 )

it is a good point

i will fastday the normal 500 cals b4 a blood test

the results might b very different

however, i heard not 2 take vitamin d or calcium

before for blood test or ur results will show high calcium levels

they had 2 retake it 4 mine because they were concerned

so researched it & found this very important article on the supplements affecting blood test

thanks 4 the info
i’m sure it will help

good luck on ur future blood test

Tobias Karlsson

u may call me usa i should have done that id

oh well i replied 2 someone on this forum what my long name meant

but keeping it simple, sweet & short should b my motto 😀

as i call (some of them) the white coat mafia the same thing happened 2 me

w/ doctors dispensing their views unilaterally

on iron

& calcium

sure enough 2 much of both

still keep vitamin d due 2 (not the day b4 blood test 🙂 )
it is one of the vitamins that the body uses very efficiently
not just letting it pass through

and we r losing the d

in milliseconds

supplements r important if u r taking medication
r u ?

heres an article u might want 2 c

Sorting out the science vs. hype is no small feat in the supplement world.

James Bennett, RPh, FACA, CDE, director of clinical services at James Bennett Apothecary, encourages us to help our patients choose wisely. He provided a few of the following examples during his presentation.

Nutrient deficiencies that may affect many of our diabetic patients include magnesium, vitamin B12 or vitamin D deficiency, and altered gut flora.

Since many type 2 diabetes patients take metformin, clinicians need to check B12 levels, especially in vegans or the elderly. Often, oral or sublingual B12 works well for repletion.

Chronic use of PPIs can alter gut flora and lead to bacterial overgrowth, as well as magnesium deficiency. Always check magnesium levels before supplementing.

Chronic statin use may deplete coenzyme Q10 (co-Q10) levels.
Diuretics can not only reduce potassium, but also thiamine and magnesium. Always test the patient for deficiencies to be sure.

Most persons with diabetes are vitamin D-deficient, although this has received lots of attention in the media and clinicians are testing for it.

Omega-3s should be obtained from foods, such as fatty fish, flaxseed and other nuts/seeds, so oral supplements are not always necessary, except when triglyceride levels are abnormally high.

Gut microbiota is a huge emerging field. The health of the gut can often boost immune function, so take those probiotics daily, especially if you are taking antibiotics. Be well!

* Linda E. Sartor, RD, MA, CDE, LDN, RYT, is a nutrition specialist at the Penn Rodebaugh Diabetes Center in Philadelphia.

i can’t find the link on other meds & how they affect the body

i still think a fasting of 500 cals b4 the next day blood test

will be enlightening
thanks

again we make our own informed decisions 😀

I think there’s not really enough research to be sure that your changes are due to the 5:2 – who is to say that things might not have been much worse if you hadn’t done it? Also there must surely be some other reasons for higher glucose sensitivity than just being overweight.

In your case just fasting may not be enough, you may need to look carefully at what you are eating. So increased veg/salads, increased berry fruits and reduced carbs and high fructose fruits. Most recent research is suggesting that we should really be cutting our carbs down to about 10% of calories. Now that is quite a difficult concept to get your head around to start with, but it is possible. Cutting carbs reduces calories, and you need to replace them with fat, or vegetable proteins. Remember that carbs are the other source of blood glucose, along with the actual grains of sugar.

I would take a supplement, but also make sure that you are getting supplemental chromium and vanadium which are both involved in sugar metabolism. And make sure you are drinking lots of water and caffeine free drnks. Caffeine causes sugar to be released into the bloodstream, so is not good news for you.

Tobias Karlsson

oops forgot 2 answer ur question
about the sleep

1st it was NO sleep @ all

then 4am

now 2 to 3am

& sometime carries over in2 nonfastdays

the mind is super fast
reading thinking planning

mental acuity through the roof

i wonder if the iq goes up 😀

that would b a neat side effect or NOT

mayb i should take 5 mg of melatonin
doc said 2

we will c

& u how is ur sleep schedule progression?

Ruthi

ok sounds good

will do the research

thanks

since u seem 2 be well authored on these things

what do u think about what i’m going 2 do here c last post?

http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/reversing-type-2-diabetes-the-fastday-lifestyle/

Ruthi

so so true

did u click on link

about the research this professor did & his success w/ humans

now i agree w/ dieting 2 much

i’m not impatient
but 4
11 days i think it is worth it 2 do

being a type2diab if it can b reversed it is worth a shot

w/ supplements etc

“Its very definitely not how much you eat so much as what you eat.”

the foods u mentioned r staples

i just was trying 2 figure out the most nutritionist 900-800 cal days i think kale & collard green r the highest

have never had a flu shot

but wonder w/ the fasting & getting older

as i call some in the medical community

the white coat mafia i agree w/ the pill dispensing

wish me success in reversing

Sadly, Rocky, its an ideal, but not yet reality.

My big challenge is sugar, which I have not yet been able to crack down on (but 5:2 has really REALLY reduced the cravings, and so quantity] and I still eat too much sweet fruit as well. I am grain free apart from a bit of rice, eat a few potatoes or quinoa, have the occasional coffee or glass of wine.

Its been a long slow road, travelled over nearly 40 years. I started by going wholegrain and upping my veg, then the caffeine went (and I was never a heavy drinker). Carb reduction was a rocky road started 10 years ago, but then I went gluten free 3 years ago, grain free this year. 5:2 (my second, better planned attempt) 4 months. 5:2 has helped immensely with the sugar cravings.

But I DO feel much better, especially since I started IF. A stone lighter, slight reduction in thyroid meds, off the omeprazole, and coping with horrendous stress levels without drugs, that which would have sent me into severe depression in earlier years. I am more alert, better able to concentrate, less forgetful.

Right, I have now read the thread, and the link to the Newcastle article etc.

First the article, and the Food Hospital programme – its nothing new. We have known for some time the T2diabetes is linked to obesity, and its been clear that losing weight WILL reverse it in many cases. There doesn’t yet seem to be any research into why it works better for some than for others.

Micronutrients. Scientists love to do research into the bleeding obvious! Clearly if we eat nutrient poor food, we’ll be nutrient poor. And most people who get fat do so not only because of eating too much, but too much of the wrong(ie not biologically appropriate) stuff, which is likely to be lacking in the nutrients we really need. So junk food is a)high in bad stuff and b)low in good stuff. Replacing micronutrients is never going to be as good as eating well. Science probably hasn’t worked out what all the micronutrients are, let alone found a way to copy them in an absorbable format.

I cannot see where you found the 800 calories from, other than Optifast if that’s an 800 calorie system. The UK equivalent is called LighterLife and works on 600 calories but its equally frightful, IMHO. Optifast comes from the sci-fi idea that all you need is a pill to replace that messy stuff called food. Its rubbish, we are cave men and women, and we need cave man food!

Why is Optifast so bad?

*Because its deficient in nutrients, fibre and live enzymes.

*Because, if its anything like the Lighterlife stuff its full of artifical sweeteners (which mess with your blood sugar and cause insulin resistance), salt and artificial flavours.

*Because it teaches you nothing about how to eat well, the objective is to get you hooked, at least partially, on the stuff for life

*Because its disgusting

In fact its quite simply expensive malnutrition.

Of course people lose weight, but they won’t, can’t gain real health.

I can see NO benefit in adding IF to Optifast, you are already eating far too few calories. But you can and should gradually replace your Optifast (maybe one meal per week) with real, nutrient dense food. Meat, fish, eggs, milk, pulses if they agree with you, nuts and seeds. And lots of veg other than potato, berry fruits, other food in moderation. Once you are eating 3 good meals a day start the IF. I think coming off Optifast might put on a few pounds, but they will go again once you are on 5:2

CoQ10 is poorly utilised by many older people because they seem to lack the enzymes to process it into an active form. Try Ubiquinol instead. You probably could do with added Omega3 fish oils and probiotics too. Plus a good multi.

USA, I’m not good at getting popular, but I can’t let this go without comment. Diabetes does funny things to people’s minds and its well known that it tends to make them more stubborn. But even allowing for your T2D you come across here as being obsessive and very fixed on some fairly way out ideas. We are all a bit mad in our way, and my family thinks I am bonkers taking so much interest in ‘alternative’ health matters. But if you are the same in real life as on this board then I think your illness and diet together are messing with your obviously clever mind.

If diabetes really is linked to micronutrient deficiency then there is no way that you’ll get better with Optifast. Please think about getting on a normal healthy diet – I doubt if it will cost any more than $100!!

@ruthi
“rocky road started 10 years ago,”

I’ve also had a rocky road in my life. In many ways interesting, food wise:

“I remember drinking 6 packs of soda, and later beer, on a given day, when in my 20′s. I had no physical problems from that, as I remember.
I did have emotional issues.
As a fun experiment, I thought that I would switch from drinking alcohol to just wine & beer consumption for one year. The next year, I switched to just drinking wine for a year. The next year, I switched to just drinking red wine for a year. That lasted 6 months, and havent drank wine since then. The next year, I switched to just drinking coffee for a year. The next year, I switched to just drinking iced coffee for a year. Then just tea.
Now, I just enjoy my water with lemon. I also enjoy daily fruit juicing on feed days.”

May you continue on your healthy path.

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I am SO glad you aren’t doing the Optifast thing!

What I cannot understand is why you are so fixed on 800 cals and 11 days. It won’t kill you, but its just not necessary, or terribly good for you. You can cut out the same amount of calories spread over a month or so, suffer less and just make life easier. And to be honest, I wonder if anything will reverse your T2D in 11 days. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it. So yes, lose weight, yes get your diet sorted (sounds as if it already is more or less) but then expect that you will need to do more experimenting till you finally get there.

I think that some of us are just more susceptible to some forms of disease than others, and maybe you drew the short straw in the family.

In most cases blood sugar used to be successfully controlled with diet before the nice new (expensive and profitable) drugs came on the market. And they don’t seem to get a universally good press. Here are some articles on WDDTY (my first source for the other point of view) – you will need to join the site (for free) to read them.

http://www.wddty.com/type-2-diabetes.html

http://www.wddty.com/metformin-the-drug-of-choice.html

Have you considered homoeopathy? Its not expensive because you only need a few consultations, and might help a lot to deal with the underlying causes of your T2D. From what I have read someone has the genetic disposition, then for some reason, usually getting fat, something switches it on. But there will be other switches than obesity.

Whatever the cause you will need to lose weight and watch your diet, so its a good thing that you have lots of willpower!!! But hopefully once sorted you should be able to have the occasional treat!

I know ALL about depression! I’ve had pretty well every anti-depressant on the market at one time or another, including Lithium (although not bipolar). No easy solutions, especially when life is shit!!! Walking the dogs daily, and marrying the right man second time around have helped a lot!

Does anyone know why the book says it’s not good for diabetics? Is it because of medications then causing too low blood sugars? Or is there some other reason?

I’ve been doing this for 3 weeks. Man I feel good. It’s like my body gets a rest, and likes it! I’ve seen where people who live to be very old had as a common factor the fact that they didn’t eat too much! I’ve lost some weight, though not too much. I sleep better, wake up refreshed, and I feel healed in some way. I take insulin, and on the days of less food, I take less insulin…

Seems to be working for me, but I don’t have the actual reason it’s said that Diabetics shouldn’t do this.

Looking forward to hearing… Lorrraine