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  • A couple of thoughts…
    Just remember that womens dress sizes where created by gay men in the 1950’s who preferred the boyish shape of the skinny/anorexic and they have never been updated since. I decided a while ago that it is all nonsense, random numbers that make millions of women thrilled or in despair. It is a type of tyranny.

    Jean if you forgot to measure on a particular day, then do it now. Don’t wait, you need cheering up now. Have you forgotten my 4 week plateau? The scales were broken, but I had lost 7 inches all over!!!!!!!!
    Perhaps you just need to recheck the TDEE and then do something activity-wise different. I don’t usually go swimming, but when I do(in the school holidays) I always lose inches and lbs. Men lose weight more easily as they have more muscle mass, so you could do more exercise to build up more muscle………
    Take care Fast Friends.

    Issu….Friday weigh in

    Annette…..I will wait for weigh in and measure together. I know plateau’s happen but first time for me in 9 months.

    Thanks for your kind words.
    X

    Jean,
    Keep the faith, the scales will move. I shall just have to wait with bated breath until Friday and see what the news is.It is tough as I am not blessed with patience.

    Just remembered, my son told me that 5 lb of fat is equivalent to 3 grapefruit but that 5 lb of muscle is equivalent to 3 satsumas. Food for thought?

    Annette you made mi laugh with that gay men from 50’s comment 😀

    my point of view is that i would like them to be standard with no messing around. so i don’t kid myself all year round then go home for 2 weeks, find out I’m not so slim, get depressed, eat myself happy with my mums food, drink to forget and come back 4-6 ponds heavier every year 😉

    i love satsumas, wouldn’t mind having few more of them.

    Jean! there is one think you can do with a plateau… wait for it to go away 🙂

    have a great day!

    Glad it made you laugh. I was stunned when I heard how it came to be, but we are never going to get standardized sizes, unless I become supreme leader….and then it will be law!
    As long as the trend is downward, I suppose that is the best we can hope for and I still have a waist 4 inches less than last year, which I have to keep reminding myself of, rather than the nonsense of dress sizes.
    More satsumas for all.
    fast day done, and it was fine. Goodnight.

    It’s funny what we think is normal but we don’t know how it came about like sizes made by gay man in 50’s (gonna google it!), or BMI created by insurance companies, or santa by coca cola… crazy world we live in!

    I will defo vote for you if (when?) you become supreme leader!
    If i would be one I would make sure children get nutritional education at school, with compulsory healthy cooking classes! so many people don’t have a clue what they eat or don’t try new foods at all!

    well done on your fast! I had ‘fat day’ today (i call them fat or slim days :)) i’ve been good thou, chicken salad for lunch, and delicious veg curry from fast diet cookery book (i even made roti!) plus handful of almonds, and couple of boiled sweets. just had my last pint of water so i may have to get up for wee 🙁

    slim day tomorrow. (my zero noodles coming tomorrow so having stir fry for sure!)xxx

    @issu, today I’m FRUSTRATED with the 16/8 plan. Grr!! I’ve stayed under or at my TDEE since starting, but I’m hungry at night (I’m NEVER hungry at night!!) and my digestive system is off. (Sorry if that’s too much information!!! Lol.) On my non-fast days I very often skipped dinner. In fact, that’s how I found the 5:2 way. I enjoyed fasting dinner & had success so I googled fasting & found the 5:2. Anyway, I wanted to attempt working out in a fasted state in the mornings so decided to try the 16/8, skipping breakfast & eating between the hours of 12-8. But tonight I’m bloated, feeling heavier & even jumped on the scales. Usually if I weigh at night I’m about 2-3 pounds heavier than a morning weigh in. Tonight I was 4 pounds heavier than this morning. {insert gasping sounds here}

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not chained to my scales. I really don’t care about the number, but use it more to gauge how I’m doing. That being said, I’m not sure the 16/8 is working for me!! I may go back to fasting dinner on my regular days with the 5:2. How are you getting along?

    HI Mommabear!

    if you bloated and your digestive system is off look closely what you ate last few days. Maybe hormone related too (time of month? heheh) drink lots of water too. I noticed that my weight jumps ups and stays really high if i don’t drink enough. I overcome my plateau simply by drinking water and regularly taking fish oil supplement.

    16/8 can work if you are disciplined, have high TDEE-by simply cutting numbers of calories you eat every day. I fast every other day, and even then on my normal day don’t snack, eat when hungry (16/8 are my hours- everything after that is not hunger just need to pick on unhealthy snacks for me 🙂 although I’m not religious with my hours. I try not too touch anything after dinner, but break the rule here and then (especially if there is social occasion) i don’t count kcal i mean dont use fitness pal or other apps- but with years of fighting with eating disorders in my teens I have good understanding what to eat. so i concentrate on eating healthy, filling, well balanced meals with snacks like nuts(love nuts! :), fruit, and veg. I save myself 600/1000 kcal each week for those days when i fancy cake, wine or whatever else so I can treat myself guilt free (i do count those and i find that with that limit a week you can really treat yourself!.) my numbers are very low (BMR 1200/TDEE 1464) so i count those naughty treats to make sure i don’t go mad 🙂

    I know what you mean about the scales, they give me understanding whats going on too. By weighing myself everyday i did find out, that drinking water is crucial. And wine make my body ‘store water’ for days 😀 I’m not freaking now after the weekends/ i know my scales will show high numbers if i drunk 🙂

    I’m happy today! After 3 days of checking scales everyday just too make sure I can now confirm I lost 2 pounds since i started to drink water! whoop whoop! I officially lost 10 kg (1 st 8 lb) since I started 2 months ago! progress is slow now, so time to put scales to rest for week or 2 🙂 6 kg to go, but next mile stone for me is 8 pounds away, after that I will review my final goal. I don’t want to be skinny, just slim and comfortable so my last 8 pounds may be enough.
    not too sure what i gonna do after i lose it all. still have time to think about it. I may go to 5:2 for maintenance with my 600-1000 kcal treat limit? It will be a time to look the scales again and looking what works to keep it off without losing more.

    happy fasting! xxx

    about 5 grapefruits to go 😀

    Just reporting It’s a first day I am enjoying my black coffee! 🙂 It’s crazy how quickly we adapt. I’m seeing big benefits too, as I’m lactose intolerant anyway I feel like a different human being, and I’m not bloated at all. I don’t crave cheese anymore ether. Big HIGH FIVE too fast diet!!!!!!!!!

    have a good day anyone! xx

    Happy Spring everyone!! bad brain week, so short on coherent sentences today.:) hope everyone has a great week. hope to be back tomorrow. Phyllis

    Hi,
    Good news Good news, my plateau of three weeks has moved! 2lb off so very very pleased. Although my measurements 1/2″ up on waist and bust, down 1/2″ on each leg! Swimming again so I hope this starts toning up again. Hubby stayed the same this week he seems to be loosing every other week at the moment, 1″ up on the waist. He’s quite happy as long as he dosen’t put on.

    Bought a long slinky dress for my summer holiday, fits where it touches but really pleased with the look, no fat bulges! Makes a change no big pull me in knickers! Cheered me up loads.

    Going away for 3 days this next week so a bit of a food challenge, swimming Monday before we go and swimming Friday instead of Thursday, feeling positive!

    Good luck to all weigh in / measures this week…to all

    Jean x

    whoohoo Jean!!! good luck with the trip. leave the pull me in knickers at home. 🙂 hugs Phyllis

    Thanks Phyllis

    Woo Hoo Jean!

    I have had a tough week. Manic at work and bonkers at home. Been to the gym and about to go again soon. Just as well as I’ve just eaten a medium size bar of chocolate! I found Thursday fast day really hard and although it started well, it went down hill fast.Not looking forward to my date with the tape measure.

    Annette,

    Maybe won’t be as bad as you think. The gym might pull you back.

    I would really like some chocolate but I have not got any…shame

    X

    Well done Symba!
    I also managed to get off a plateau and my scales are about to hit ‘the next stone down’ mark so I am feeling pretty pleased too.
    Have made a note to myself though not to be complacent as today I was treated to my favourite ‘all you can eat’ Chinese Buffet 🙁 so I am hoping my new (looser) grey trousers won’t be feeling a bit tighter tomorrow!

    Well done to you too… Lindyw,

    I quite agree with you, I have been for a meal out and with ice cream and beer tonight! Celebration!
    I hope I don’t blow it for next week. Still the plan is life long and it has to blend into life, not a diet!!

    Hope the scales move to the next number down for you…….always exciting.
    X

    I have lost 1 lb and no inches.

    I was also able to lift the baby weight for shoulder weights all by myself! Beyond thrilled and could go up a weight for another arm/shoulder weight type thing. The goal is to improve my upper body strength, which will be better for me anyway, but should help with the running too.Of course, a bit of muscle in my arms will both improve how my upper arms look in sleeveless dresses……and burn more calories.

    A long run planned for this morning and hopefully some digging in the garden later to slice off more of the scabby lawn to create my mini allotment.

    Since January 2013 I have lost 4 inches/10.5 cms off my waist, 3 inches/8 cms off my hips, 4 inches/10.5 cms off my thighs,3 inches/ 8 cms off my bust, 2 inches/6 cms off the under bust, 1.5 inches/4 cms off each calf= 23″/59 cms!!!!!!!!
    My dress size has gone down 2 sizes and 16 lb.

    The goal for the year remains to lose another 4 inches off the waist.

    Annette,

    Well done on the weight and measurements over the year. It’s just nice to see yourself melting down into smaller sizes. I think we are all very positive and this forum helps loads with the highs and lows.

    Hope you have a good run today…a bit on the cold side..even for gardening!

    Thanks Jean.
    I just thought it might be useful to see what can be achieved and I know that there are those who have lost much more than that and in a much shorter time frame. I have come to the conclusion that my age(53) is making it harder, but not impossible.

    I stepped outside the door and a very chilly wind hit me, so went to the gym and ran for 40 minutes instead.I can’t see me braving the garden either!

    The Forum is fantastic, but you would need to be on it full time to keep up with all the postings from around the world!I am slowly getting to grips with the new layout.

    Have a great weekend all.

    lol @annette52 yes I can get lost on this forum for a good hour – so I do on a fast day as occupational therapy! At 53 you are a spring chicken too. 🙂

    Oh my mercy!!! Annette!!!! Yeehaw! Fantastic job!!! And Jean, you too!!! Feels great breaking a plateau!!

    I’ve not had a good week. Ugh. I usually don’t go to the gym on Saturdays, but after all I’ve eaten this week I went this morning for a class that’s 30 minutes of bench aerobics and an hour of barre. I decided to fast today as well since we went out for Mexican food last night. (Oh my!) I think my eating has been “off” because I was attempting the 16/8 on my non-fast days. I often fast dinner, but was trying to eat from noon-8 pm which meant fasting breakfast. I don’t think it worked for me!! I gained weight & was hungry all the time. But I’m still experimenting. In the meantime, I’m avoiding the scales & tape measure!!!

    Enjoy your weekend, fast friends!! It’s a little chilly here today but I’m taking advantage of all the kids out playing & I’m cleaning house!! You know the saying….cleaning house while the children are at home is like brushing your teeth while eating Oreos. Ha!!!

    Hi lindyw

    Although I do feel young(and much younger now that I am lighter and slimmer) there is no doubt that there are some menopausal symptoms(which I have been ignoring)which I now cannot ignore. I gather from the ladies on other threads that many of them feel that the menopause is having a definite and negative effect on their ability to lose weight/inches. It would appear that I am just going to have to work harder to continue the downward trend.For me that means more exercise in the shape of walking,gardening, dancing, swimming and finally the gym.

    I love the saying about cleaning the house and eating Oreos. I have never heard that one before.

    Oh dear Annette you got me thinking of chocolate…..not had any in a while…shame about the bar of chocolate we bought each…. and half eaten, we both have…….naughty naughty but nice!
    X

    @annette52 the menopause is a pain – so unpredicable, the only thing any one will tell you its not the best time of our lives. Keeping weight under control does help with some of the unwanted symptoms though – so keep up the good work.
    Symba – a half eaten chocolate bar? lol 😀

    Thanks LindyW. I woke up the other night completely drenched in sweat and the one thing that I thought was that it would have been much worse 16 lb heavier.I did wonder if keeping the weight down would help with the symptoms.My goal is to continue to keep reducing the inches.

    Half eaten bar is just wrong. Eat it all.

    Yes…either eat the rest of the chocolate…or post it to me!

    Hello Lovely Ladies!

    Is so nice to pop in and see you all doing great! I noticed we all had plateau at the same time, and beat it (maybe there is something for scientists to look at? 🙂

    I may be a spring chicken for you all (32), but you all put me to shame on your physical activity, vigor, and outlook on life. true inspiration you all are!

    I had very interesting weekend, full of family time, crazy eating (yes chocolate too:)) and reflection on my future. had a unexpected meeting with old friend of mine (not talking about his age, although he could be my dad :)) which inspired me to go to open university. I have lots of changes coming in my life at the moment, considering change in career and going self employed, adding a degree would be a big bonus as it was always an aspiration of mine, and I forgot for a long time about it. Raising two small children is a job itself, but I would love to show them is worth investing in yourself.

    fasting gave me lots of strength and self believe, and I truly believe that without it I would still be doubting in myself, go back to work doesn’t give me neither satisfaction, or financial security, and feel guilty over missed time with my boys. I took my destiny in my own hands, simply started my giving my body what it needs- wright nutrition and hormonal balance. it’s so good to feel in control!

    happy fasting! xxx

    issu,
    It did my heart good ready your post. I’m now a very mature woman, but in my 30s I was a lot like you – apart from the two small children. I had tried all sorts of jobs in various countries, but was still discontented and not sure what I wanted to do with my life. I was married but chose not to have children, a choice I’ve never regretted, I’m a good aunt and great-aunt but would have been a rubbish mother.

    To cut a long story short, I went to uni at 36 and loved it, graduated at 39 with a very good degree, qualified as a teacher at 40, stuck with teaching for a total of 5 years before going freelance to do the work I’m still doing 25 years later, well past retirement age. I’m now back at uni part-time, in the final phase of a Master’s. I could never run like some of our cyber-friends do, but I guess an MA is a marathon for the mind.

    So go for it, issu. It won’t necessarily be easy – there have often been times when I wished I was stacking shelves in Sainsbury’s instead of kidding myself I was an intellectual – but so, so worth it. It can change your life – new friends, new interests, new knowledge. In my case, it also changed my relationship with my then husband and we were eventually divorced but remained on good terms. I’ve been with hubby no 2 for 27 years, married for 3.

    You will probably surprise yourself at what you are capable of. I have actually cried on reading tutors’comments on a couple of my MA essays. Not because they were bad but because they were so full of praise – I couldn’t believe they were writing about ME! And I wouldn’t be surprised that 30+ years from now you will be using your brain in a very productive way.

    There are quite a few others on the forum who have been mature students. I’m sure they’ll wish you luck as well.

    Thank You Hermajtomomi for words of encouragement, it means a lot to me.

    xxx

    Hello Ladies,
    I used to be a paediatric nurse and loved it but when I got divorced when my boys were 5,7,9 and 11(they are now 17,19,22 and 24)I had to take a job that was term time so that I could look after them in the holidays. Although the process of divorce was completely harrowing and my confidence was on the floor, I became interested in law.My children were in tatters and they were my focus.

    A couple of years went by and although I knew that I was stuck in a dull job that was very convenient, I started researching The Open University. I scraped through school, never did A levels and couldn’t operate a computer.But I began to study law on the basis that it was for a year and I would just see how I got on.I had never written an academic essay, but although it was hard work, it was wonderful and opened a door that I never thought was possible for me. I now have a law degree!I would love to do a Masters in Law one day.

    Is there no end to your talents, annette? Anyone who completes a degree – especially in something as demanding and complex as law – with the OU has my maximum respect. I had to go full-time for my first degree, because it meant I was obliged a) to show up several times a week and b) to read, prepare, write essays and get them in on time. In other words I lacked the self-discipline to study with the OU. I’d have just frittered the time away and remained convinced that I was a thick clerk-typist (too dim to learn shorthand!) with delusions of grandeur.

    Even this time, when I should be old enough to behave myself, I’ve chosen to go part-time at Birkbeck, London, because I have to show up at seminars, do presentations and hand in essays on time. Now in the final straight with the dissertation looming, I can say I would highly recommend having a go at a Masters as and when you feel ready. You’ve still got loads of time and you would probably do brilliantly.

    There were a lot of tears when an essay deadline was looming and just plain panic. Invariably my ex would throw a grenade, so there was usually a crisis with every essay. BUT I wouldn’t change the experience for the world. I met some really interesting people and realized that I wasn’t as thick as I thought I was.I would have loved to have gone to university and studied law there, but I had to work and look after the boys.I spent a lot of evenings working when the boys were in bed and read books at cricket/rugby matches just to get through the material. I am a whizz at skim reading now!
    I will have to save up my pennies hard for the Masters-International Trade/Human Rights/Social Responsibility, but the bathroom is of much greater need for the majority. I would love to find a job in medical law, but the time isn’t right for me or for the boys.I needed a new goal, something to occupy my mind and a new challenge-hence the running. I never had time when I was studying and ate a lot of cake when an essay was due…..which lead me to the 5:2.
    Thank you for your lovely comments, so interesting hearing about your journey too.

    Well done on the Masters too. Good Luck with the dissertation, it sounds terrifying.

    Hi annette,

    Men! What are they like! The grenade-lobbing you describe is, I think, not unusual when a man discovers that his other half has a brain, starts achieving things and slowly but surely catches up with and even overtakes him. How dare we, when we should be content with the kitchen sink and a spot of brain-dead telly of an evening.

    My present other half is a highly intelligent guy with a degree of his own, by his own admission not as good as he was capable of, too busy commuting between the union bar, the betting shop and the nurses’ home. He is also very supportive in practical ways, he’s a great copy editor who reads all my written stuff and is excellent at providing visuals – essential if you are doing art history as I am.

    BUT all of a sudden when I passed the conversion course offered to people with degrees in other disciplines wanting to do the art history MA, and was then accepted for the MA, he threw all his toys out of the pram. Why was I bothering, especially AT MY AGE? It would be too much, my health and my day job would suffer, I would probably make a complete fool of myself, just wait and see.

    I think it said more about him than me, but it hurt nonetheless. At that stage he was going through a bad patch. Now he is working hard to qualify to teach in the life-long learning sector – his subject is Qi Cong (a gentler version of Tai Chi) – in other words he’s now a student himself and much more supportive. Also his predictions have been wrong, I’ve scored a Merit (equiv of a good 2.1) on 3 out of the 4 assignments so far, the 4th one was just a pass, but I know why, my fault entirely. The day job – translation – has also picked up speed lately and I’m coping well, recently despite the mother and father of all colds.

    yes MEN indeed!

    My hubby is a bread winner in my house, although when I landed managerial role, he was making some hurtful comments time to time. I don’t know how his is going to cope with wife having a degree 🙂 not well I think… what is interesting thou, he comes from family of 4 children, 3 boys and a girl- and she is the only one with higher education, with lots of personal achievements.

    Annette, have a look at grands and student loans, as there is funding for people over 60 (sorry i that’s sounds rude- I meant well believe me :)) Not sure if they apply to postgraduates but is worth having a dig!!!!! may have your kitchen and studies at the same time :)))

    I spend all day yesterday stressing, and making phone calls, as I know I will need financial help, but hate asking for it (when I returned from my first maternity, we were is such a pickle money wise, as I was too proud to claim benefits/ I was working 15 hour days for a year to make it up. Gave almost all money earned from my day job to childminder, so worked nights as well in the local restaurant) I had a talk with citizens advice bureau, and contacted Open Uni too, but I also made an appointment in the dentists (hate dentists!:)) and doctors in one day, which means I did all the jobs I was putting off for months- result? My fast day finished with me polishing a bag of GIANT (yes it said on the packet and they were GIANT!) chocolate buttons. 600 kcal gone, and they meant to be for my 4 year old! when I’m going to learn not to buy sweets and store them in the house??? 😀 One more appointment to make- with the accountant, but unfortunately he is on annual leave this week, and he is the one I count on giving me real answers. 🙁

    The beauty of going to university late in life is you have an idea why and what you want to learn. I still think there is many jobs I would love to do, instead of retail. List is endless…

    Hermaj I’m jealous- translating is one of those jobs I love doing, and never get bored of it 🙂 and there is only one way of making fool of yourself, is NOT TRYING TO ACHIEVE. So go girl, and show him 😉

    Annette- wow! You finished LAW, being single mum of 4 boys? Now that itself deserve a medal!!!!!!!!! I am so glad I have boys myself- at least I DON’T have to keep telling them that they don’t need to be pretty, have a bee waistline, and keep proving they are smart. Men have it easier in life! I am also one of those pain in the bum mums, who asks to tidy they rooms themselves, demands chores to be done before bed, and only gives chocolate buttons if she doesn’t eat them herself 😉

    oh, my, all these brilliant and accomplished women!!! just goes to show that weight problems are not because of lack of motivation, gumption or determination. just the need to find what works for us! and for me, and a few of us, not too much chocolate in the house. 🙂

    I had broken my plateau along with several of you. saw 136 lbs on the scale for the first time in a couple of decades. then had a “lost my mind ” day and ate chocolate marshmallow eggs all day!!! Back in control now thankful for a way of eating that doesn’t make me a failure if I temporarily lose my mind. 🙂

    mommabear, never mind the 16:8 experiment, now you know that particular way doesn’t work for you. you’ll find what does I’m sure.

    hope everyone is having a great day!! healing day for me ( my way of acknowledging fast day) and it’s a stir fry for supper. Phyllis

    Congratulations on breaking the plateau Phyllis.

    Apply for financial help. I couldn’t have done the degree without it.

    My only way of studying for a masters is with the OU. I have to keep my job. There is no financial support for a Masters, but there is for a degree.So, I shall have to save up after the bathroom is sorted and paid for.

    It was very tough working, bringing up the boys, studying every evening(and all weekend) and dealing with the ex….but I did it and I am so glad that I did. I came close to throwing the towel in on more than 1 occasion. My mantra was ‘the best revenge is living well’ and for me that was each and every essay/exam passed.I love to learn about law (who knew?) and it has had a massive positive impact on the rest of my life.My ex has found it rather tough, poor lamb.

    Off out to Ceroc this evening. I can’t wait, it has been months since I have been.

    Well ladies you have made me think about studying for a Masters after all. So I shall have a look and see what it involves in terms of compulsory courses, time and cost.

    Secondly, it is clear that another half a stone needs to go sooner rather than later. I am struggling to find clothes that look OK for ceroc!

    Annette, I’m so glad you are getting revenge by living really well. I hope you can find a way to get that Masters. you are a very strong lady to have raised the boys and study law. now I know you can loose that other half stone. go and enjoy that ceroc!! 🙂 Phyllis

    Hello ladies,

    I watched Frozen- a Disney film, with my grandchildren yesterday. One of the main themes was about accepting yourself and enjoying who you are.
    There’s a breakthrough song where one of the characters transforms into a strong woman who loves being herself. My three year old grandson said
    that she used to be medium, but now she’s large. About damn time!

    Congrats, all!

    Hi everyone, what an interesting thread! I usually lurk in the Southern Hemisphere and Ladies of a Certain Age groups.
    Like others, I went to university later in life, strongly encouraged by my husband; never looked beyond BSc because my main motivation was to prove something to myself.
    However, because I knew why I was there I worked hard and got good grades, which resulted in the Dept offering me Honours with small stipend, at which I worked even harder.
    Lucky enough to get a First which put me in line for PhD scholarship – my husband’s response? You’d be mad not to. Of course there were some very hard times when experiments didn’t work and I did lots of ‘why am I putting myself and my family through this grief?’ &c.
    Now have dream job, still working at 68 part-time and, having found this marvellous way of living, have great expectations of returning to my pre-menopausal weight of 55kg eventually.
    So, those of you who are contemplating similar moves, I say ‘go for it’. It certainly won’t be easy but the satisfaction and self-belief it engenders is worth it, and the satisfying job/pay are bonuses.
    These days, I wouldn’t call the king my cousin (as the old saying goes).

    piper that is really interesting.

    NickyF Welcome. That is an interesting journey and is making me think about what might be possible. I think that I would love some of the course modules, but the thought of research and a dissertation is giving me palpitations!I’ll have a look over the Easter break and do the sums, but there is one module that is due to start in May until October, and then another from November until April………….It’s a case of acquiring 180 points(120 are compulsory modules)and will take between 3-5 years.Thank you for your thoughts, I am very tempted.

    Piper, she used to be a medium, now she’s a large. LOVE IT!!!!

    NickyF, welcome and thanks for sharing your story. my goodness all these smart ladies! glad you are all following your dreams!

    Annette, good luck with your research. sounds like fun, if a little scary.

    fast day today, off to get another glass of water. 🙂

    NIckyF, I do envy people like you in the sciences. The research you do is likely to do some good and to prove useful to society as a whole. In some cases, it can change the world. Also, quite rightly, there is often funding available from institutions or corporations for such research to be carried out. All of the above applies to the social sciences, too. And of course, research degrees in law, of the sort annette is considering, explore such fields as Human Rights, Inernational Trade, etc, which are hugely important.

    When it comes to us layabouts in the humanities, much our research sometimes amounts to navel-gazing – e.g. “A Freudian Reading of Winnie-the-Pooh” or “The Significance of Moustache-Tweaking in the 19th-century Portuguese Novel”. I’m joking, of course, but some theses aren’t a whole lot less pointless. After getting a degree in Modern Languages, I started on a PhD, but it soon deteriorated into CbA (Can’t be Arsed). I have at least been able to apply my degree to my work as a freelance translator and for a few years as a teacher.

    Doing an MA at this stage is purely for my own intellectual satisfaction, but it is impacting very favourably on my work as I specialise in arts and media. Also it’s an excellent way to keep the ageing brain in gear.

    ohhh mountainmist you have reminded me of the joys of marshmellow eggs with the yokey centre—now there’s a wee obstacle to be met for this girl on a plateau. I think NZ is the only place we get these yummy eggs. When i lived in Hong Kong I got them sent over and my Aussie flatmate was addicted to them. Well I guess we can balance them up with the delicious fejoas that are now falling off the tree–juicy and sweet already to eat. for those who are not familiar with fejoas they are ready when they fall off the tree. Full of vitamin c and have a very ‘regulating’ effect hence fejoa in one hand and marshmellow egg in other.

    If it wasnt for this thread I would have become so disheartened as have plateaued for a few months–but I’m staying fast, friends

    hermajtomomi, now those sound like some interesting courses. LOL. doing your MA just for yourself, that is a wonderful thing!!! good for you!!!

    double happy, glad you haven’t gotten disheartened. the plateaus aren’t much fun, but this too shall pass. I’ve had to forbid more marshmallow eggs in the house, I have no will power around them. told my family to hide them from me. 🙂 luckily for me they are mostly only available a few times a year. fejoas sound interesting. fejoa in one hand, marshmallow egg in the other, sounds balanced to me. 😉

    hang in there everyone one, good luck with the fasting. Phyllis

    Hi Everybody,
    Had a bad week, away for a break 4 days, 4 meals out, a couple of bars of chocolate and come back to a really bad cold, a great believer of hot toddies…..lots.. so after 3 days I think I am turning the corner. Only 1 swimming session this week.

    So we have put 2lbs each on!

    At least we know why, and broken the plateau down and then up!!!
    It’s strange when you know what you have eaten and accept why you have gone up…and know why you have to watch what to eat and Fast…….you just can’t take your eyes off the ball!

    Good luck to all, hope you are better than us.

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