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  • Good morning SHs, hope your day is going well so far.

    Cali, if you look for my post on 26 June 2017 https://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/beans-and-lentils-recipes-tips-and-information/page/2/ there’s a lentil burger recipe. This uses peanut paste as the “glue” to hold the ingredients together. I’ve been making variations of this recipe since the 1990s. You can use other legumes but the brown lentils work best.
    As others have suggested a felafel mixture also makes a delicious vegan pattie, and you can use other legumes for this process other than chickpeas.
    On the above link my post for 26 Sept 2017 gives a link to lots of recipes for pulses/legumes, including felafel recipes. The only word of warning that I’d add is that if you see a felafel recipe that calls for cooked chickpeas move onto to the next one. Traditional felafel are only ever made with soaked, not cooked, legumes. It gives you a really solid meaty texture once they are minced up, whereas you get a soft paste with cooked legumes.

    Rainbow, I agree with the suggestions that have been given already on food when traveling. The only thing I’d add is about portion and savouring what you eat – eat it slowly and take your time to enjoy every mouthful. You should find that you actually want less mouthfuls if you do this. This allows you to indulge that connection between a holiday and new food experiences without overdoing it. I remember the first time I really concentrated on using this method the pleasure from the first mouthful was explosive and then it slowly diminished with successive mouthfuls until I actually lost interest in what I was eating. My normal tendency is to eat so fast I barely taste it.

    Merry, the chips are always the killer, even when you order a healthy meal they put them on the side if you don’t remember to tell them not to.

    Quacka, I hope that “good talking to” helped – there have been days lately when I could have benefited from that as well. I hope that head cold goes away soon.

    Cinque, those leftovers sound lovely – enjoy.

    Thin, so sorry to hear about the baby dolphin. Enjoy that lovely soup.

    NFD for me. My controlled day went well yesterday. The only extra I added to the plan were half a dozen rice crackers.
    Today’s food plan is a banana with a tablespoon of peanut paste (which I’ve already eaten). A blueberry smoothie for lunch (I’ve just shown the blending container & blueberries in the pic as the other ingredients need to stay cold or frozen until I need them). Dinner is another serve of the moussaka. I also have a 1/2 cup container of stewed rhubarb and apple that I’ve just removed from the freezer, Once thawed, I’ll have this with some greek yoghurt.
    https://imgur.com/g4gUNNL
    I am heading off to the gym shortly. Quite a warm day here (sunny and 23C) so I suspect a nice cold smoothie will be quite appealing when I get home.

    Here’s the link for LJoyce’s burger recipe. https://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/beans-and-lentils-recipes-tips-and-information/page/2/#post-213666
    (the final recipe in that post)
    I’m really impressed that they stay together LJoyce!

    Quacka, my sympathy for your crook day. Look after your virus first! But I am impressed that you still kept the day to 700 calories. I’d call that a successful Fast Day (new rules šŸ˜‰ )
    Good luck today and I hope you are feeling better soon.
    And congratulations on getting the link right!

    Under 70kgs Quacka, that’s great! Hope you feel better soon.

    The trouble with restaurant meals is that it’s virtually impossible to find a plate of food that’s not bulked up with excessive carbs. Piles of chips, huge serves of rice, bread rolls, enormous pasta dishes, etc. Ordering soup and/or entrees is a great idea. Interesting salads with dressing on the side. And, definitely no appetisers, dessert or drinks. My OH is not a sharer but DD and I can easily share a meal. Also, I am never afraid to ask for food to go. It takes me at least a week to recover from one restaurant meal on the scales. Generally not worth the pain!

    Lindsay will be winging her way to Bali now.

    Thanks Ladies šŸ™‚

    Just a quick report on my lunch (the new Vegan Napoli Shirataki noodles at Coles)
    Everyone at work commented on the garlic smell although I couldn’t smell it because of my cold. I could taste it though. Not sure if it was because of the cold or just that it lacked flavour, but I thought I could have done a better (and cheaper) job with just my normal konjac noodles and maybe a spoon of pesto or even a jarred pasta sauce. It wasn’t really anything special although I may give it another go when I am not sick. I have two other flavours to try so I will let you know šŸ™‚

    Back from the gym. My lower back coped quite well, but I did get puffed quickly on the rowing machine today. I did some fruit & veg shopping while out, including some salad items – the warm weather today is getting to me. I though I might like a side salad to go with the moussaka tonight.
    This is lunch https://imgur.com/H8AIP4x I’m drinking it as I write, it’s delicious.

    Cinque, that lentil burger mixture comes from a Kurma Dasa cookbook called “Great Vegetarian Dishes”. They are definitely a softer texture than a meat pattie, but they do hold together quite well if I do the following:
    – I don’t break the lentils up too much (otherwise they make the burger soft and mushy).
    – It also helps to put them on a tray and refrigerate for at least half an hour before cooking – it seems to help them firm up (it probably gives the breadcrumbs time to absorb any liquid).
    – I adjust the amount of peanut butter and breadcrumbs if necessary to get the right texture. I think the reason this varies is probably because some fresh breadcrumbs will be drier than others (depending on how stale the bread was). Also, the smoother the peanut butter is the stickier it tends to be. If I use a crunchy peanut butter I usually need more. (Not that this is a bad thing!)

    My planning skills were absent today. I’d decided to make a pot of minestrone in preparation for tomorrow’s FD. I’d just finished softening the onions and capsicum and realised I’d forgotten to soak some beans. I now have a pot of brown lentil and tomato veggie soup instead (no beans or pasta). I’m sure it will still be very filling and tasty. After a few days of lovely weather the clouds have rolled in and we are expecting some cold wet days. A hearty soup was called for.

    My afternoon tea was half of what I’d pictured in this morning’s pic. I had rhubarb and greek yogurt and it was lovely, but half of those containers was plenty. Dinner was a portion of the moussaka and a big pile of coleslaw that I dressed in greek yoghurt. (The slaw was interesting – I bought it in a bag, pre-grated from Coles. It has no cabbage, but instead is made from raw beetroot, broccoli stems and carrot.)
    https://imgur.com/a/WG1WRoq
    I also decided to have a kiwi fruit for dessert. It was a gold kiwi, which I’ve never had before – they are usually green. Quite nice, but the flavour wasn’t as intense as I remember green kiwis being.
    That’s it for food today, although I will have my customary cup of chai with almond milk later. Tomorrow is a FD and thankfully the soup is made already so I’m organised.

    Hope you have all had a good day too.

    I had a difficult FD today. It was such a cold day, 17C. Even though we keep our house toasty warm, I just couldn’t seem to get warmed up (despite drinking plenty of water and tea). We walked early this morning because heavy rain was forecast. This made for a long time to wait for my first food intake. I caved in and had my soup at 1.30pm, not that I am forced to eat it at 2pm, that’s just my own little rule.

    As I sometimes have a frozen banana on a FD evening, I just decided to try out Merry’s banana dessert. It works! Mine didn’t cook evenly but I think that was because I slit it too far into the flesh at one end. But it was a lovely treat and now I do feel warm and very tired. And I know how to do it properly next time. I hope everyone’s had a good day. I’m really looking forward to tomorrow morning’s coffee.

    Thin, sorry to hear your FD was so tough. Sounds like a hot banana was a much better choice for a cold day.
    Enjoy your morning coffee.

    Good morning everyone,

    Thin, you deserve an extra frothy frothy coffee this morning.

    Quacka, what an interesting culinary adventure those noodles are. I do hope your cold is easing off today.

    I’m fasting with you today LJoyce. It is feeling like a good sensible day when I will fast well and plan food for the next few days to make it easy to eat well then too. I might fast again on Sunday, counting it as the first day of next week, instead of the last of this one. Not sure. One of the things I need to plan.

    Best wishes to you all. I hope today is a lovely one.

    Enjoying it immensely thanks ladies! And feeling warm already. I hope you both have a good FD. Don’t we spend a lot of our time planning, sourcing & preparing food? Isn’t it enlightening that non human animals are never fat (unless humans have fed them the wrong things)? Cinque, your option to fast on Sunday gets my vote! I don’t know where the week begins or ends either but chopping up the weekend never seemed right so I think mine starts on Monday.

    Good morning SHs

    Thin, I’m glad you are enjoying your coffee so much this morning. When it comes to my diet week, it always runs Sun-Sat for me. I used to find (on previous diets) that if I kept Sat-Sun together within a week, I seemed to treat it more as a period of indulgence, probably because it coincided with days off work. Breaking it up disrupts this thinking for me.

    Cinque, sounds like you have your FD planned.

    Quacka, I think garlic is meant to be good for colds isn’t it. I hope you feel better soon.

    My FD plans just went out the window. I’m now babysitting my nephew’s children tonight from 4-9pm, right over dinner time. (My nephew and his wife both work this evening.) I’m trying to decide whether to have my lentil soup before I go, or when I finally get home. I’m thinking I might have a smaller serve than normal at 3:30pm and have a little more when I get home if I still feel like it. If I don’t feel like soup that late I’ll have enough spare calories that I could have a hot milk drink. I have to feed the kids their dinner so I think I’ll need something in my stomach before I leave home so I avoid eating any pasta.

    I have some errands to take care of at the shopping centre, but the rain hasn’t let up this morning. I’m trying to decide whether I’ll just walk anyway with an umbrella or take the car. I think I might brave the rain as I need the exercise.

    Good Morning everyone,

    Cinque, Thin, LJ – always good to read your posts in the morning. I’m joining 2 of you in a FD today. My 5:2 week begins on Mondays. My Sat-Sun includes my 3rd NonFD in a row for the week, and sometimes bothers me a bit if there’s a celebration of some sort.

    Although I weigh daily, in the morning, I graph 1 day a week only. I’ve fasted Mon/Thur for most of my several years on 5:2. Since I started 5:2 I always graphed the morning of my 1st FD – Monday -because I thought it would be my heaviest morning of the week, after 3 FDs, and would keep me up to the task of legitimate 5:2.

    Aw shucks Thin, thanks for the lovely words. 4 yrs in mid-Nov, and we had great role models to help us when we joined the SH thread – Barata, Purple Veggie Eater, and a couple of others. I remember 2 things really impacted me in that 1st week:
    – simcoeluv’s post on information for newbies starting 5:2,
    – Buttonboot’s journal thread

    I’m aiming for that 2 year anniversay of the excess weight kept off. Then I’ll aim for 3. Feels like Christmas every single day. I used to say 5:2 was like finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. After thinking I had no way to healthily get the weight off that I’d put on through illness, I am still incredibly grateful for Dr Moseley and 5:2. He changed my life when he investigated intermittant fasting and put out his documentary. I changed my life when I decided to do it. Now I’m a 5:2er for life.

    Best thing about being a 5:2er?

    I have control of the food.
    The food does not have control of me,

    Agreed Thin, yes, we think and plan food more than we did before, but in a very healthy way. I remember reading the results of investigations into what was different between those who kept weight off long term, and those who put weight back on after losing a considerable amount. The people who kept it off paid more attention to their food and drink intake with more vigilence. Glad you enjoyed the cooked banana. Cooked or frozen banana – healthiest dessert ever.

    Check in: 64.8 kgs at beginning of FD – starting my 1st FD under 65 kgs today Yay!

    Onwards and Downwards!
    Merry

    Today’s FD food photo: https://imgur.com/kzomwQC
    Tea, water, banana, bowl of lentil-veg soup and a hot drink made from almond-coconut milk and vanilla paste (and perhaps a pinch of nutmeg).
    I know the soup looks more like a stew at moment. It did have plenty of liquid when I put the saucepan into the fridge last night, but those lentils seem to have absorbed it all. I’ll add a little water before reheating it this afternoon.

    Good morning Merry, hope your FD goes well. Glad that your start weight today is so good.

    Thanks LJ. You too! šŸ™‚

    Here is a picture of my yuba, dried beancurd skins. On the left you can see them dried and shiny as they come out of the bag. On the right is what they look like soaked, drained, and cut up. https://imgur.com/a/Fd3FhWI

    I’ll have them in my miso soup tonight. (Favourite Fast Day soup.)

    Merry I loved reading your post.
    Adding to what you say about keeping successful weight loss by vigilance, is making new habits, and that is the ongoing adventure. And don’t we have to do it in the face of a food culture that encourages bad habits and overeating and concentrates on the worst kinds of foods. No wonder it takes a lot of conversation and analysis and failures and trying again.

    A great pic LJoyce!

    So true Cinque. We are surrounded by poor food choices being deliberately aimed at us. The farmers are heroes but ā€˜big food’ is certainly not.

    Thursday is the day here where the food truck phenomena happens for dinner in the mall to go with Thursday night shopping. It’s also a regular meeting day for me in town, where after meeting tea/coffee involves some serious biscuits (cookies). Having a FD means I get to dodge the bikkies and, would you believe it, a poutine food truck. I love all the fusion of food from all over the world that we have here but I really don’t want any food that is laden with as many calories as can be managed.

    Cinque, thankyou for the photo. The dried skins are much longer than I was expecting. I shop by sight – so knowing what a product looks like in enormously helpful.

    Merry, good luck facing all those food challenges on a FD. That sounds like quite a test of will power.

    I created my own food challenge today. It’s been hard to get the kibbled rye that I like as the only local bakery that has good sourdough breads only has it a couple of times a week. Because they had it in today I bought a loaf. Not something I normally do on a FD as this has to be sliced by me before I freeze it. Not eating any when it is so fresh is a challenge. I now have it safely sliced and packed away in the freezer. I’ve attached a photo, but if you don’t want to look at bread on a FD don’t open it. https://imgur.com/DJ4SbDo

    Cinque, can you get all that bean curd into one FD soup (calorie-wise)? Which brand is yours please? Or if you can’t read it, could you please take a photo some time (no hurry)? I think mine is too high in cals.

    LJ, what is vanilla paste and where can that be found?

    Merry, not forgetting bayleafoz who was my favourite guru of the time, NickyF and ihaveawaist. Sadly, I think they’ve all dropped off. Congrats on being under 65kg today. Once I’d maintained my new weight for over two years, I began to trust that this really was possible for life. I’d lost substantial amounts of weight before on starvation diets but had always gained it back – and more – within two years. Now it’s three years at 60kgs (+/-1) and I’m confident I won’t need the size 12s again.

    Exactly my reasons for making a weekend day one of my FDs. It limits any potential damage. Not that my social life is anything like that of some of you here.

    OK, you three, I hope you’ve all had a great day! Leftover mung bean soup for me, I can hardly wait for it.

    Hi all, from beautiful Bali. Thin, you are so right about restaurant meals. They always come laden with extra calories from the way they are cooked, and the carbs that bulk them up.
    I didn’t shed the extra 2 kilos I wanted to before I left – but got down by 1.2 so that’s a win. I had two B2B fast days, finishing eating at 2 pm on the day before I left, so I could have an early breakfast and avoid the airline food. That really worked well. So, I have been pretty sensible so far (if you can discount the G & T and 6 Ritz crackers and cheese I had for dinner). Buffet dinner last night, compliments of our hotel, because of a shemozle with our room. We ate modestly and moderately. Breakfast buffet was amazing – but I stuck to plan, and even managed a 14 hour fast. Lunch was a great slaw salad from the hotel restaurant after a busy morning out, and because we ate late, we decided to forgo dinner (for said G & T and crackers in the room).
    Merry such an inspiring post – congratulations for your great 5:2 life.
    I enjoyed the banana recipes. I remember, way back in the dim past, we’d been given a fondue set for our wedding. One recipe was banana and pineapple, cut into chunks, skewered, and dipped in rum and brown sugar and twisted over a flame (I can’t remember exactly where the flame came from) until it caramelised, then we swirled in whipped cream before we ate it. Can you believe that?
    How are you Cinque? Rested, after your babysitting?
    take care all

    Thanks for checking in Lindsay and now we’re in the same time zone! 1.2kgs is almost 2kgs. It sounds like you’re enjoying yourselves without going overboard. Well done.

    Good Morning everyone šŸ™‚

    It’s Friday morning here and I have the day off which I am very grateful for. I have been going to work all week as it is a super busy busy time for us with all the summer stock arriving. I have planned to go home early each day but only managed to one of the days where I had that blow out on my FD. Yesterday I came home after a huge day and was super tired and so OH cooked dinner for us.

    Thank you all for your get well wishes. I am still fighting with this cold but today I am having a shopping day so I am sure that will make me feel better. I honestly just want to stay home and rest but next weekend is our day at the races and I promised my SIL I would go shopping with her. Today is her day off too. I think if I can handle a week at work whilst feeling like this I think I can handle shopping šŸ˜‰

    Weight this morning was bang on 70kg after a NFD yesterday. I hope to try and stay around that until Monday’s FD. Although I weigh everyday I am aware of how many things affect weight so I don’t let it get to me, I just like to know what is happening.

    I will let you know in my next post if I found anything nice to buy today….

    Hope you all have a lovely day x

    The long summer school holidays end next week in this hemisphere. The grand children, who have been with us on and off since July, have left. They left me with an extra six pounds to lose. The kitchen is normally my area but when the kids arrive OH goes into Grandma mode and starts to produce chocolate cakes and fruit pies. Our ice cream consumption goes up by a factor of ten. I know I don’t have to join them and eat it, but…

    So this is Day 1 of the recovery plan. It has been done before and will be done again. A couple of days ago we discussed Kippers as a FD meal. This evening I ate one. The garden is full of healthy green stuff, the freezers are full of fruit and tomatoes and I still have a surplus. I leave them on the neighbour’s door step and bags of horse manure appear by my gate. For a healthy life style there are some advantages in rural living.

    Happy Friday, SH’s. I’m doing my 2nd FD of the week today, as I woke up ravenous yesterday, after playing golf the day before. My plan to delay my FD until today was not great as I am just as hungry today & my stomach is making such a noise. Oh well. It won’t kill me but I’m glad I don’t have to go anywhere.
    I have not weighed for a couple of weeks so that I would not be disheartened. Will do so tomorrow on the 1st day of Spring šŸ™‚ I’m always surprised how I am not hungry the day after a FD, but am often really hungry after a NFD. I am eating less than I used to every day of the week now. I have been told by a couple of friends that I am back to being more positive since I started 5:2. I do feel less obsessed & more in control, which seems funny considering the restriction of FD’s.

    Cate, those grumbles and gripes going on might be the sign that your fasting is working extremely well! Ride it through and hopefully they will calm down soon. I hope you can do lots of things to distract yourself. You will feel very pleased with yourself tomorrow!
    What lovely feedback, and to feel that life is more positive. Congratulations!

    Merry, food trucks. Sigh.

    LJoyce, I did find some smaller, more even beancurd sticks, but they didn’t taste as good. These ones are much thicker than the brand I used to buy, and take MUCH more soaking and cooking, so when I finish them up I will buy my original ones again and share the brand.

    Thin, I did put it all in my soup!

    Lindsay, hello to beautiful Bali. Good work with well over a kilo less to carry around. Keep being sensible, and enjoying yourself in non-excess food ways.

    I am just about recovered from last weekend, just in time for this one. And this one looks like a nice quiet one. Lovely.

    Quacka, have a lovely day off today and an easy gentle shop, if that is possible. I hope you find something lovely to buy. So glad OH made you dinner last night.

    Penguin, cheers for kippers and home grown veggies. The 6lbs will be saying sayonara!

    Your sharing veggies story reminded me of a funny Prairie Home Companion rave about how people would lock their cars at church, at the end of summer, otherwise they would get back to find bags of zucchini put inside. Haha.

    Mind you, I would just love some of your veggies to appear by my gate! And some horse manure!

    Best wishes everyone. Hooray for 5:2. Hooray for the day after fast day. šŸ™‚

    PS LJoyce that bread looks delish!

    Hi Southern Hemispherites!

    I’ve been spontaneously been given an extra day off work this week and it happens to fall on my Fasting Day, so that is what I’m up to today! How wonderful I have this extra time off work and can dip into this forum!

    It is great to come here and read the posts. Coming here to read what you’ve all written is like coming home so to speak and doing so has relieved a lot of resistance that I had to today’s FD. Great to read so many reports of progress, weight shed, successes through challenges of food offerings in restaurants and on outings.

    Merry happy 2 year anniversary of having shed the excess! Also happy early 5:2 4 year birthday for November!

    Wow! Sounds like both you Merry and Thin have been practicing this WOL for 4 years! You Merry as well as Cinque, Thin and Intesha have been my role models from the very beginning. I’m planning to be around here to celebrate my 4th 5:2 birthday as well.

    Also Merry, it was good to read what you wrote about the success of those who plan their food. That is just what I needed to be reminded of this morning since I always plan FD food consumption and almost never on NFDs. Thinking back, I remember when I reached goal weight it was during a month in which I applied as much awareness to my NFD eating as to my FD nourishment. Something to ponder.

    Quacka and anyone else who eats Konjac noodles, which is probably everyone except me! I applaud you for being able to get past the fishy smell when opening the pack! I actually have an aversion to fish and seafood and was never able to overcome or wash those noodles enough to satisfy my ultra sensitive sense of smell to the point of being able to put them in my mouth!

    Penguin, I wish I were your neighbour! They are lucky to receive your home grown produce. What a supportive community to be trading surpluses of all kinds! Penguin if my OH made all those home created goodies, I would be joining in eating them too. Isn’t 5:2 so wonderful and forgiving?! I’m so glad we don’t have to be ‘perfect’ with our eating and still make this work. I’ve been far from perfect myself this week and am considering a contingency plan of sorts going forward!

    Lindsay how wonderful to be traveling Bali!

    Cinque, I might have said that I’ve made my own yuba in the past. When I’d make soy milk I’d have fun repeatedly collecting skins which would form on the top of pot. I’d pull each skin off the top of the hot soy milk with spatulas and set it aside on rack to dry. I’d then wait till another formed and repeat. Those yuba skins were yummy freshly made though they never lasted long enough to have any left over for drying! I actually like the bland taste of soy products and have been known to eat Tempeh raw!

    I’ve had a week of emotional eating and I can feel a bit of that tugging at me just now! A part of me simply doesn’t want to be restricted to the 500 calories today. Fridays is usually a fasting work day and I’m in the routine of that. With it suddenly being a day off work, I’m a bit pulled to a jar in the cupboard full of home made cookies that I wouldn’t have been tempted toward were I at work! I have to chuckle that the cookies might taste like cardboard to others (like Mr. M)! I only used the sweetness of mesquite, an ingredient that I added in to the flourless nut butter cookie recipe, however, to me they are still cookies and sweet enough and I crave them! …Well, 5:2 is a constant touchstone so to speak so too bad if a part of me doesn’t want to fast and wants instead to eat cookies. Today’s fast is non-negotiable and I’m not going to waste any of my calorie bank on a cookie!

    One other bit of support that has been helpful this morning is the book I checked out of the library entitled ‘The Every Other Day Diet’ by Dr. Krista Varaday. Didn’t you trial that IF method LJ?

    Though I’m aware that Dr. Varaday’s method is not for me, simply reading results of the studies she conducted and some of her IF tips have been helpful to me during this day of FD food craving challenge!

    Cheers and support to others fasting today and also to all those enjoying a NFD.

    Good morning SHs, hope you are getting better weather than Adelaide is at present. Cold, wet and dreary here. I don’t think I’ll be walking today – I might need to pull out a yoga DVD.

    Thin, this is vanilla paste: https://imgur.com/mik7FAK
    I comes in a small 50g jar and a 140g tube. Neither are cheap but the tube is better value and easier to use. I add about 1/2 tsp to cup of hot milk.
    All of the big supermarkets should stock this – they do here. It’s located in the baking isle next to the vanilla essence and the food colourings.

    Lindsay, sounds like you are having a good time so far and handling your holiday food challenges well. You mentioned a room booking mishap – did that get sorted to your satisfaction?

    Merry, do you find it reassuring to have 4 years of graphed records tracking your weight? I hope knowing how far you’ve come and how long you’ve persevered to keep your weight stable, gives you confidence that you will continue to do so.
    I’ve done something similar (my records go back to June 2012), but mine are only monthly. I always find it reassuring that for the first 2 years of records my weight was mostly over 100kg. It’s a good reminder to never let that happen again.

    Cinque, I hope your babysitting days haven’t left you too exhausted. I haven’t looked after kids for ages, but last night went very well. My nephews kids are actually quite well behaved.

    Penguin, I seem to remember the last time you had your grand kids to stay you were lift with a similar “gift”.
    That trade with the neighbour sounds like a good one. I’m sure your veggie patch appreciates the horse manure.

    Cate, After a while on 5:2 I discovered that there is some benefit in have a FD on a hungry day – it stops you overeating as you might if it was a NFD. It also helps you realise that feeling hungry for a few hours won’t kill you. That may sound silly, but I really was afraid of hunger before I started 5:2. I think learning to live that hungry feeling and doing a FD anyway help us feel more in control – our appetite isn’t running the show anymore.

    Quacka, I hope the retail therapy does make you feel better. Are you looking for anything special?

    Today’s food photos: https://imgur.com/a/fYyArDv
    The plan is for a mid-morning banana, veg-lentil soup with 1 slice of kibbled rye bread for lunch, strewed rhubarb and yoghurt for afternoon tea and the last of the moussaka and half a dozen strawberries for dinner. No cooking required (unless you count putting bread in the toaster as cooking).

    Hi Minka, our posts crossed.
    Yes I did briefly try ADF, but found that I binged on most of the NFD and almost completely cancelled out the calorie deficit from the FDs. It might work for someone with less of a history of binge eating and also with a higher TDEE than I have. I remember when MM interviewed her for his “Eat Fast Live Longer” program, she said that most people only overeat by 10% on the “Feed” days. With a TDEE of 1400 that was never going to be the amount of excess that I consumed – I ate closer to 2000cals on those feed days. I think the bigger the gap between the 500-600 FD limit and the dieter’s TDEE the more likely this method is to succeed.
    It didn’t work for me – I lost weight as easily on 5:2 because I found it easier to control my NFD eating when I only did 2 FDs per week. I found that I really need a minimum of 2 NFDs together between every FD to avoid that urge to overeat (most of the time this works). When I hit a plateau last year, I followed a 2:1 pattern for a while. I did 2 NFDs then 1 FD. It meant that over the course of a month I had an extra 1-2 FDs than I would have done on 5:2. It also meant that the days of the week when I fasted moved around all the time. This didn’t bother me but I know some people like that consistency.

    What a lot of interesting posts since I went to bed last night.

    Penguin, you really made me laugh writing about the neighbours dropping off some horse sh*t in return for your home grown veggies. The perfect reward to facilitate the continuation of the cycle.

    Minka, great to read your post. I like the sentence, “Today’s fast is non-negotiable and I’m not going to waste any of my calorie bank on a cookie!”

    Cate, I believe we feel hungrier after a NFD because of our choice of foods – many of which are addictive. The tendency of not feeling hungry the morning after a FD is proof that fasting breaks those cycles, helping to shape our food desires and our portion control.

    I, too, have four years of daily weights recorded on an Excel spreadsheet. I don’t know what I’m going to do with it all but it’s useful to glance back sometimes. I’d like to view it in simple graph form but it’s too unwieldy now.

    LJ, we’ve had the wettest winter for decades. And it’s only 17C again today.

    Cinque, is Sunday going to be a FD?

    Morning all
    Sitting next to a very slim woman at breakfast, so kept an eye on what she ate, thinking I could pick up some tips. So….she started with a latte with a croissant, before moving on to a plate of dumplings, followed by eggs and the fried stuff that often goes with them. She then had some curry from the Indian section, before she headed over to the bread and pastries room, and came back with….wait for it….two large iced donuts, a chocolate croissant and a pastry, to go with another latte. And she’s not sharing any of it with her equally slim OH. Surely she can’t eat like this every day? I can’t imagine how she squeezed it all in.
    Penguin I love the idea of the trade that goes on at your front gate. You paint a lovely picture of rural living.
    LJ the room booking mishap was funny…in hindsight. We are at the Sofitel at Nusa Dua. It took two and a half hours from our arrival to finally settling in our new room…and then our luggage was misplaced somehow in the room change. I was still in the warm clothes I’d put on at 4am. Despite that, it is beautiful here, and the staff are gentle, charming people. It’s just the management that’s hopeless.
    Quacka and Minka, enjoy your days off. Thin I am impressed with the discipline of keeping a spreadsheet. I put a note in my paper diary (I know I should go electronic, but the kids check it if they want to pop in a special date) every Monday. Now I am on a steady downward trajectory it’s time to put it in excel.
    Cinque, my parcel from your beautiful, talented daughter should be waiting when I get back. I am very excited about it.
    Happy Friday friends

    Hi again! I’m making the most of this extra day off work by returning here to read more posts!

    Yes, Thin, I often reflect on your tenacity and strength with regard to consistently maintaining efficacy in practice of FDs. Reflecting on those qualities of you and others truly helps me in times of weakness! That’s the value of having you and the other 5:2 ‘elders’ and newer members who are succeeding through snags contributing here!

    LJ, like you, I find I do best with 2 NFDs in between FDs. I don’t think my adrenals would be up to an Every Other Day (EOD) pattern. In the past when I have only left a day between FDs, a level of fatigue returned. Hey, thank you for reminding me of that 1 FD/2 NFD pattern you designed. I’d forgotten that you practiced that at one point. I really like that since it feels like something that I truly could do!

    One interesting point that I read in Dr. Varaday’s book just now is how and why she came up with the premise of eating 25% of one’s TDEE.I’ve read one particular forum participant speak as if the 500 calories or 25% of TDEE number was simply pulled out of thin air and that it really has no scientific basis but was developed by Dr M as a way of making IF doable. I’m now reading that Dr Varaday developed the concept of consuming 500 calories or 25% TDEE from having conducted numerous studies on rats and then on humans. She writes that she trialed all different calorie intake percentages including 0% or water fasting and she found that 25% TDEE is the caloric intake that preserved the highest amount of muscle mass. In other words, other caloric intake percentages both lower and higher on FDs including as low as 0% and as high as 75% lead to greater losses of muscle mass compared to the consumption of 25% of TDEE. Reading this makes me feel even better about my FD food consumption. Often in the back of my mind there’s a little perfectionist voice saying, ‘Water fasting is superior, you should really be practicing that!’ …Now I know that isn’t true and that it isn’t just about making IF easier and more doable. …Or maybe the easier and more doable is that way for a reason. Maybe we are wired to prefer the method that most supports our muscle mass!?!

    I do have to chuckle though that Dr. Varaday does make a point about her way being the only ‘scientifically proven’ IF method and early on in the book she tells the story of a 5:2 failure who turned to EOD and succeeded! I chuckle because I view this forum as one big scientific study of sorts since there is a data section accessed at the top of page where participants can post with regard to weight shed and maintenance and the fact that there are a number of participants like you Thin, Merry and Cinque who have been on the program for years. Granted, it isn’t monitored by an objective third party, though if we can assume that there wouldn’t be anyone hanging around for years simply to skew results, that data speaks volumes of the very long term success of 5:2!

    Anyway, over and out for now! I’ll probably write a few more quips from sections of the book as I continue on with it! So that may not be all from me today!

    Yay, the sun has come out and the rain has stopped. It might only be temporary though, so I need to go fora walk once I’ve posted this.

    Thin, I think the best thing that my 6 years of spreadsheet weight records gives me is that every time I look at I think “never again”. When I started with a determination to finally shed my obesity forever, my weight was in the high 120’s and my BMI was 50. I’ve mostly kept my BMI in the 20s for the last 4 years. The only deviation was Christmas 2016 – when I originally came to 5:2 to lose the kilos I gained that December. Remembering how I used to feel and how long it took to lose that weight are very big motivators to not let things ever get out of hand again.

    Lindsay, slim people don’t always eat well, but that is an extreme example. Definitely not role model material. I think you should be looking at your own plate for that (apart from the G&Ts perhaps).

    Minka, maybe one of my mistakes when I tried ADF was that I did eat 500 cals on the FDs, not 25% of my TDEE which is 350cals. Not that I ever want to try it again as I seem to have my bingeing behaviour mostly managed these days and I definitely don’t want to trigger it again. I find that if I want a lower calorie week then I’m better off treating a couple of my NFDs as controlled days. Usually I focus on it being a healthy food day that is particularly high on veggies. It’s a bit of a balancing act because it’s important I don’t make it feel like a FD.
    I agree about water fasting. If that was required on 5:2 I would have failed in the first month. It took me a year to get to a point where I was able to regularly eat closer to 350cal rather than 500. Oddly that change happened when I stopped counting calories. It was only when Cali started a thread for us to post what we ate on a FD to help newbies that I thought I should calculate the calories in what I now ate on a FD. It turned out that most FDs were 350-400. I think it’s because I see 500 as a target as much as a limit and I’m very bad at denying myself something that a diet tells me I’m “allowed” to have. When I don’t count calories I tend to err on the side of caution because I don’t want to go over 500 so I’m more conservative with my food choices.

    Well, time for that walk or the sun will disappear again before I get out of the door.

    Cinque- Thank you. I like the idea that my stomach grumbling madly is a sign that my fast is working well. I’m trying to imagine all my fat cells singing out “feed me, feed me” & I’m ignoring them.
    Minka- hi! I come in here for inspiration on FD’s & it sure does help. We certainly have some inspiring members who show great support. My today’s fast is non-negotiable too. We can do this! Like you, I think I’ll be checking back in again šŸ™‚
    LJ- It’s cold & wet here, but only a max of 10. I think that you are right about still doing a FD, even when you wake up hungry. I used to be afraid to go hungry too & always had something with me. I know a lot of women who do the same. It feels good not to let hunger run the show & to be back in control.
    thin- I think my biggest mistake is to think that I won’t be hungry after a particularly active day, so maybe I should stick to Tues & Fri, rather than try the day after golf. I have not been eating sweets or fried food or anything unhealthy really on NFD’s.
    LindsayL- Wow. How did that woman eat all of that? Amazing! Happy Bali Friday to you. It is quite miserable here, but I love that it is the last official day of Winter šŸ™‚

    I did almost an hour of walking – with a few stops on the way to photograph gardens that will give me some ideas for what I’d like to do with mine.

    Along the way I found this usual garden. Completely concreted, but the residents have become quite inventive with their potted plants. https://imgur.com/a/jqvXuxa
    The animals in the first picture are an elephant and a reindeer and I think the second pic is a wallaby and a bear. Definitely not something I’ll be doing in my garden, but it certainly stopped me in my tracks.
    Probably quieter than keeping a pet!

    Interesting conversations and I wish we were all in a cafe to discuss these things together. I’m so far behind now.

    Cate, stick with it, you will find what works best for you and fast days will get easier and easier. I’ve over 400 under my (narrowing) belt now. I’ve had some hard FDs (one just recently) but mostly I barely notice them as being FDs these days.

    Lindsay, I laughed so much at the slim woman’s breakfast intake. Perhaps she has recently attained her goal weight through a year of 5:2 and decided that it’s so forgiving that she will simply deal with any weight gain when she gets home! I learned to navigate the dreaded breakfast buffet by taking my time to enjoy a good cup of coffee while perusing the offerings several times and making a plan about what I would eat. I’m never going on a cruise!

    Minka, thank you for what you wrote although it’s hard for me to believe that anyone could ever be inspired by me as a food role model. Yes, it worked for me by very simply and rigidly adhering to two FDs per week. That’s it. What I’ve always called naked 5:2. The other five days are a bit haphazard but this WOL was touted as being able to eat whatever you like most of the time. And it lives up to its claim.

    Perhaps Dr V. is correct – it works because she devised the correct % of TDEE. I cling to the belief that fasting must be good for our bodies, otherwise it might be hard to think of sustaining this WOL for the next 35 years. Yes, I plan to live to 97. But only if I’m fit, slim & healthy.

    I, too, flirted with the concept of water fasting but quickly decided that I didn’t need to go that far. It’s a bit like B2B and ADF for me. Naked 5:2 works so well for me and I don’t need to rock the boat and complicate anything. I can see that water fasting would be useful for travel or beginning in a new environment and that, for some people, it definitely has its place. After all, planning what to eat on a fast day is a contradiction in terms!

    LJ, it was good to read your amazing story again. What a long way you have come in so many ways. I’m not sure why I keep the daily weight diary going but reading what you wrote made me think that it might be to do with a fear of letting go. A bit like when I couldn’t quite bring myself to get rid of the larger sized clothes ‘just in case’. It’s also a way of staying accountable, perhaps like a 12 step programme? Not that I have any experience with such a programme but I’m thinking that notching up the days, weeks, months and years since reforming helps keep one accountable?

    It occurs to me that we can only enjoy 5:2 while we, as individuals, have control over food sourcing and preparation. What happens when we are no longer the person responsible for our food intake? Apparently, they’re playing 60s music in nursing homes now. Will they also offer fast meals if and when our turn comes?

    G’day, everyone. Lots of posts to read through tonight! Thank you to Quacka, LJ and Cinque for the veggie burger/rissole recipes. I will have to try them on the weekend. Today was a FD and had 350 calories worth of refried beans with lime juice and Tobasco sauce for lunch. I rarely have beans on FDs because of the calories, but they just sounded good today. I had a large NZ Envy apple for dinner which I figured was about 130 calories and a tbs of soy creamer in my coffee. Surprisingly, I didn’t feel hungry until late tonight.

    Lindsay, it sounds like you’re having a lovely time in Bali. I bet that slim woman eating all that food normally eats sensibly, but decided to eat whatever she wanted on vacation. Unless the vacation is a long one, she probably couldn’t gain that much once the initial water weight goes on, and could lose it when she returned home. The only bad thing about that is eating so much seems to stretch the stomach, or at least it would for me, and then cutting back again after the trip is harder. I think NFDs teach us that we can eat a fair amount of good things, even indulge a little, as long as we’re mindful. I know I usually eat less on a NFD than I would have before 5:2.

    Cinque, it sounds like you’re going to have a few more busy days. With the little Misses?

    Thin, that is so sad about the baby dolphin. I hope it manages to find another group of dolphins and is able to survive. I totally agree with your comments about the ā€œnaked 5:3ā€. It’s simple and it works.

    Penguin, I love the idea of neighbors sharing produce and fertilizer. Hope you manage to get those 6 pounds off quickly. A couple days of your water fasts should take care of that.

    LJ, I love your neighbors topiary creations. It would be fun to be able to cut bushes like that, wouldn’t it? But even with all those potted plants, their garden looked kind of cold and sparse. I guess I’m not fond of that much paved over space.

    Minka and Caye, hi!

    Merry, I love that microwaved banana idea. I never would have thought of that, and it’s so quick and easy. It makes the banana taste sweeter as well. A real treat!

    Thanks, thin. 400 fasts? Wow! I’ll be sticking with it, for sure. I keep experimenting with what I have & do on FD’s. Today I have exercised reasonably vigorously (11 km on my exercise bike) & have had lots of energy. Massel stock cubes are quite delicious šŸ™‚
    Hi, Cali. That microwaved banana is appealing to me today, too, but I may just try it tomorrow. I agree with you about the concrete garden. It seems incongruous with the solar panels. It would be very low-maintenance though.
    I’m having frittata for dinner with extra veggies & will still have 130 cals up my sleeve. I think it will be some fruit & will depend on hunger. I would love to leave it at that.

    Hello everyone I’m so excited to be posting as I thought I’d lost you all. My phone died and even though the sim and memory card from the old was inserted into the new phone I lost all my apps, emails, half of my contacts and much more. I found the UK forum easily enough but had a devil of a time locating our thread. I now have it safely installed on my home page. Funny how I became quite panicky that I was never going to be able to read or post again….lol.

    Lindsay oh I am so envious that you are in Bali. We spent 2 weeks there in May and I fell in love with the place…..and unfortunately the food. I was unable to resist eating the delicious Balinese cuisine for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Will catch up on posts in the next few days. So happy to be back.

    Gday! So glad you’ve found the site again. This is a very special place.
    I’ve been doing okay with the food – until about half an hour ago. We’d had some real service issues (think 2.5 hour checkin!) at this hotel and were feeling pretty disappointed. We just got back from dinner and the doorbell rang – and in came two staff, with an icebucket wih a fine bottle of prosecco, and a little tray of chocolates and some fruit. The fruit is still sitting on the tray – I wish i could say the same for the wine and chocolates. Oh well, tomorrow’s another day.
    Cali and Thin I am sure you are right about slim woman’s breakfast intake – but I’m surprised she could down it all. Even in my worse days, I just couldn’t have eaten that much food (and in my day, I could do rather well).
    Not sure about the expanse of concrete in the foreground LH, but I love the topiary. Clever, some gardeners.
    So far I’ve had a foot massage, and an hour body massage in a pavilion by the beach. The nice thing about the weight loss? I didn’t feel at all self-conscious during the massage, or walking alongside the pool and into the water.
    good night everyone.

    Happy September everyone! No loss this morning, but still determined to stick with 5:2, thanks to everyone here. I’m looking forward to not feeling self-conscious about my body Lindsay L. Your holiday sounds wonderful šŸ™‚

    Lindsay, that’s a great feeling not to feel self-conscious when having a massage or a swim. Did the slim woman re-appear at the breakfast buffet this morning?

    Cate, you might find that you lose a bit of weight tomorrow. It sometimes registers the day after the day after the fast day. Hang in there!

    Saturday morning and a new month. The sun is shining after a couple of very dull days.
    I had a bad day yesterday with noodles for lunch, with family (which was lovely) but they set off the munchies after. So I won’t be doing that again.
    A sensible eating day today and a Fast Day tomorrow.

    Minka, what a lovely treat to have your big catch up, and SO pleased that you shared that info about the 500 calories, 1/4 normal day, for fast days. It is a really important consideration for people losing weight as we want to lose that excess fat without losing too much muscle mass (and calcium from our bones).

    I’m another one who avoids konjac noodles!

    I had forgotten that you made your own yuba. Oh, I bet it was delicious! Wouldn’t is be wonderful to have a meal with your yuba, and Sybs home-made tempeh! I’ll make adai, I’m getting good at them šŸ™‚

    LJoyce, I’m glad you had a lovely time babysitting. Did you leave the lentil soup until you got home? I like having a little something when I get home…. which can be a problem if I need good baby sitting energy before I go.

    I love the extraordinary garden, I wonder what the story behind it is? I bet the home owners, or at least one of them, is an interesting character.

    Lindsay, I also laughed so much at the tale of the Slim Woman’s Breakfast!
    The only tip you can pick up from her is that there are different strokes for different folks!

    I’m excited on your behalf, and my daughter’s, about the parcel that will be waiting for you when you get home.

    What a lovely gift the staff brought in, if not quite what you planned for your holiday consumption. I bet it was very delicious and special.
    Back the non food treats of massage and swimming šŸ™‚ they sound just as gorgeous and so nice to be doing/having them without feeling self conscious.

    Cali I first read about refried beans in a book about cooking beans that changed my life! It was written in the 80’s by a dietician whose husband came from the South and got her interested in bean dishes. A wonderful book.

    Gday, I am so glad you found us again! We need a good catch up. I hope you had a wonderful birthday!

    It seems like half of the people here, at least, were fasting yesterday. I do hope you are all enjoying that wonderful feeling of wellbeing today. Cheers to anyone fasting today, I hope it is a good one. As for me, I am looking forward to a good fast day tomorrow. Good day!

    Good morning all.
    Cate those damned scales move in mysterious ways. When I’ve followed the guidelines and my weight doesn’t move, I try to visualise it inside, moving about, looking for the exit. Thin is right – it does sometimes take a day or two. Great you’re staying focussed.
    I haven’t been down to breakfast yet Thin….the prosecco and couple of chocolates came post-dinner so I’m trying to get at least a 13 hour break before eating.
    The beach massage pavilion was open and I exposed rather more of myself than I expected , but I so much prefer the beach massage to the hotel one. For a start, it’s a quarter of the price. But I like listening to the sea and the sea breezes, the masseurs softly chattering in Indonesian, and the occasional whiff and sound of a motorbike starting up. And the money goes to a local and not an international hotel. We are packing up this morning to move over to Legian. This was our first time at Nusa Dua and there are no shops or local restaurants nearby, so we’ve been pretty much confined to the hotel. Funny, my friends whom we are meeting at Legian later today adore this luxury hotel experience, but it’s not really us…we rarely eat in hotels when we’re on holidays. Our friends haven’t been here before but how could they not love it? Such gentle, happy people, the Balinese.
    Happy Spring.

    Lindsay, the writer in you is springing forth to describe the scene perfectly for us.

    See you tomorrow Cinque. My freezer is getting low on FD meal portions so I will spend some time planning some new FD meals. I have mixed feelings about spring. Some warmer weather will be a welcome change but not the increased noise.

    LJ, those topiary plants usually have a wire frame to form a clipping guide. It’s still clever.

    Lindsay Legian is where we stayed, Hotel Paradiso. I loved the hustle and bustle there and it’s so close to Kuta and the beach. See if you can find a place where you put your feet in the fish tank and the little fish eat the dead skin off your feet. It’s a weird feeling but your feet Will love it. They ate all the hairs off OH lower leg..lol. There was one right outside our hotel so I went 4 times.

    Hi everyone!

    Today is the first day of my favourite month of the year – September. For me it’s a time for new beginnings, new growth, lovely weather, spring cleaning – which all inspire me to take time to make my life the best it can be!

    July and August were totally miserable: loss of dear brother in July; OH not so healthy – spent nearly 2 weeks in hospital with cardiac electrics a shamozzle, 2 new medications causing concern; I’ve been unwell for nearly 2 weeks – thought it was food poisoning, just had 3 days in hospital – now on antibiotic (so sorry microbiomes), bland diet to rest bowel, CT scan next Tuesday!

    Now July and August news is behind me – I’m planning on being the best I can be from now on, with maybe a little hiccup now & again – because I’m not perfect!

    I’ve really enjoyed reading all your interesting posts – so varied in their information and so inspirational. Thank you – I’ve missed each and everyone of you.

    Love the thought of Penguin’s garden goodies being shared with neighbours – that’s what makes country life so enjoyable (doesn’t really happen in most cities), and them returning the favour with fertilizer.

    I hope each of you has a very rewarding September – enjoy whatever you are getting up this weekend and bye for now! xx

    I’m trying not to be apprehensive about the array of goodies I’m about to face at high tea. I’m not really succeeding! I’ve done all I could this week to prepare for it with both FDs and controlled days and almost no unplanned extras and as much walking and gym sessions that I could manage. My tightest jeans fitted nicely this morning so I’m wearing those to the high tea with a lacy jumper and a jade scarf. The high tea will be set up in a hills garden, so I think jeans will be ok.
    I’m hoping the pressure that the jeans will apply to my abdomen when I sit down will help me restrain my eating. I’ll try an take a photo of the food before it all disappears.
    I’ve been for a walk this morning and taken the edge off of my hunger with a small banana and 3 strawberries.

    Arel, it’s lovely to have you back. I hope that the next few months are much healthier for you and your husband (and your dad).

    GDSA, glad you found us again. I get withdrawal symptoms too when I can’t access the forum. Have you put your birthday dehydrator to good use yet?

    Thin & Cinque, I will definitely be fasting with you tomorrow, despite having invited a friend to afternoon tea – she’s used to me just having a cuppa while I offer her a muffin.

    Lindsay, the holiday is sounding very nice so far, glad you enjoyed the massage – the idea of the waves in the background does sound soothing.

    Cali, I hope you like one of those legume burger ideas. I’d suggest trying one recipe that uses cooked legumes and one that uses soaked minced uncooked legumes. They have very different textures but it will show you which style you prefer. That helps narrow the field when you look for other recipe options.
    I found several vegan and legume burger patty recipe books offered for free on Amazon.

    Cate, I think a few of us do something similar on our FDs too – keep a few calories up our sleeve just in case. For me it’s usually so I have the option of a hot milky drink late evening. Sorry to hear the scales didn’t move after your FD. I think all that can be relied on when it comes to scales is that your long term trend will be downward if you do the two FDs and don’t overdo things on the NFDs.

    Cinque, I wondered whether they were renting. Landlords like to provide low maintenance yards as too many tenants don’t like having to maintain a garden.
    Thin, on the elephant I could see the wire frame for its ears that weren’t quite covered with foliage yet.

    Time for me to head off and face the calories!
    I will confess my sins later.

    thin- Thanks. I will weigh again tomorrow & maybe every day this week, out of curiosity. I will hang in there. I should prepare some FD meals too I think. I haven’t any.
    Cinque- I do love saying your username under my breath. I do feel excellent today after yesterday’s FD & enjoying not feeling hungry.
    Lindsay- I’ll picture those little fat cells trying to get out next FD šŸ˜€ I loved hearing how you were not self-conscious having a massage & am envious of that & the massage. How lovely that would be. Luxury hotels are not our thing either & being somewhere where you can get amongst the locals & walk & walk everywhere is what we love to do.
    G’day- our son & his GF did the feet being nibbled by fish thing in Singapore I think. Did it tickle?
    Arel-I love September & Spring too. I’m sorry you have had such a rough time of it & I hope life will be better for you. It is such a lovely & supportive forum & I really feel welcome & at home here. Happy September to you.
    LJ- Thank you. I know that the scales will move down eventually. When I looked up my weight chart I have actually lost 1.5 kg since I started about 7 weeks ago, so if I lost even that every 7 weeks I am OK with that. I hope you really enjoy the high tea. There is no need to feel guilty & I’m sure that you wouldn’t overdo it anyway. I don’t eat wheat or cream so don’t get tempted by high teas. If there was a creme brulee tea I would be in big trouble.
    Happy September everyone. Sunny but a bit chilly here in Tassie.

    Happy September everyone. It just turned To September here too, 12 minutes ago! September is the beginning of our Fall, but the first half or so is usually still summery weather. Actually, this month and next are usually the nicest months of the year because the high heat days of summer die down and the weather is beautiful.

    I lost 500 grams on my FD yesterday, but probably gained it back today with too much snacking. Nuts were the culprit today. I don’t usually eat a lot of them but for some reason I craved them today. DS has been losing steadily on the 5:2. I think we have a convert to this way of eating. Now, if I could just convince her to start hanging out here…

    Arel, I’m sorry you has such a rough couple of months. I hope your stomach thing gets straightened out. I know a few people near here who’ve had stomach problems lately. With one it turned out to be gall bladder and the other they think it is IBS. They’re both on different diets and I think some meds. Did your OH get a pacemaker now? Hope you both feel better with the nice warm days ahead.

    Lindsay, so nice to read your daily posts from Bali. I agree that it is more fun to go out and explore the local restaurants when traveling. The pampering in luxury hotels is wonderful, but they usually are missing the authentic local experience.

    LJ, I wonder if those legume burger recipes will work for rissoles? I’m thinking that with all the vegetables in them, it maybe harder to make them stick together without using too many breadcrumbs. Burgers are smashed between two buns that keep them together no matter what. I bet the nutritional yeast we were discussing a few days ago would be a nice addition for flavor, don’t you think?

    Cate, while I was still working toward my goal, I remember several times when I didn’t lose anything after a FD. Then, a few days later I’d lose two days in a row. I think when you’re still in the weight loss mode your body likes to hold onto every kg for dear life! It takes a while to convince it, ā€œ Yeah, we’re really going to get rid of all these extra kg, so you might just as well cooperate. 😁

    Confession time, I showed very little restraint at high tea and had a great deal of difficulty stopping eating once I’d started. I ate one of everything, except the meringues. Everything was small and only 2-3 mouthfuls but there were 5 savoury and 4 sweet items that I ate so those mouthfuls add up. Everything was delicious but high fat or high sugar (or both).
    Now that I’ve had a couple of hours since I managed to stop myself from eating more I feel a bit queasy. I had to change out of my tight jeans and into something more forgiving when I got home. Even my loose jeans feel firm now! Boy do I need a FD tomorrow.
    I took photos of both the food and location: https://imgur.com/a/AgUBpjv
    The high tea was set up on the deck of the bride’s sister’s house. The last couple of photos are the view from the deck. That’s only a portion of their 1 1/2 acre garden. It’s really a lovely hills garden with lots of different areas, including several play areas for the children and a large paved area with a fire pit.

    Cali, something I have noticed with vegetarian rissoles is that they hold together better if you don’t keep flipping them. I usually panfry them over a gentle heat and only turn them once.
    I think nutritional yeast would add a lovely flavour. I’ve always thought of it as a vegan cheese substitute.
    If you don’t want to use a lot of breadcrumbs you can replace some with very firm mashed potato. Although you do need some breadcrumbs because the mash will help the patties hold together but they won’t absorb the excess moisture the way breadcrumbs do.

    Cate, apart from the first week, I was a bit of a slow plodder when it came to weight loss on 5:2. The harder I tried the less I seemed to lose. Then I’d relax a bit a lose some weight. There does seem to be a lack of logic to weight loss patterns for some of us (which my logical mind has trouble coping with).

    Time for some water, my liver is going to need it, dealing with all that fat.

    CalifD, nice to hear from you and to know things are going well and that your DS is also enjoying the benefits of this WOE.

    We’re also travellers who don’t enjoy large, fancy hotels. We like the kind of restaurants with the red plastic stools spilling out onto the back streets. In Sri Lanka, DD and I sat at a huge bench table with a lot of locals all eating with their right hands and sharing various curries served from buckets. Oh dear! We might take it too far.

    Arel, good to read your post too and I hope things will be brighter & healthier for you now.

    LJ, your post arrived while I’ve been rambling – what a beautiful setting. It looks right up your alley! Don’t worry, FD tomorrow!

    Cate, reading that you have lost 1.5kgs in 7 weeks does make me want to spring into advice-giving mode. I do realise that you are not asking for advice AND that we have all told you to be patient; advice which you have happily accepted. Feel free to ignore this therefore. If I remember correctly, you told us that you have tried 5:2 before, gave up when you didn’t quickly lose weight and that you have read ‘the book’ this time around. So, you’re clued in. I think you also told us that you have a significant amount of weight to lose so I can’t help feeling that, with the effort you’ve put in thus far, that you should have lost more weight by now.

    Are you sticking at or below 500 calories exactly? Or, better still, a quarter of your TDEE? Or even better than that, a quarter of the TDEE for the weight you want to be? Are you counting absolutely everything that passes your lips on FDs?

    I only ask because I have turned 14 people onto 5:2 with mixed results. Most reached their goal weight and are now maintaining it through fasting. A couple of people had less success. One person gained weight! Because I knew the people, I was able to find out exactly how they approached their FDs. It turns out that the simplest things aren’t necessarily clear. Like the need to count every drop of milk in coffee, all herbal teas, and initially the need to calculate absolutely every calorie, not to wing it.

    Do you have a really good set of kitchen and bathroom scales? Tools of the trade! (OK, I know Cinque and LJ disagree but, if you’re a weigher, you do deserve a decent set of each).

    Does your FD start early after dinner on one day and run until some time during the morning after the FD? Do you tend to over-compensate on NFDs? I used to shovel in a few extra nuts or some yoghurt the night before a FD!

    I hope I haven’t dampened the upbeat tone in your last post. Just hoping there’s some simple thing that might not have occurred to you that we can help with. And, as with all my advice, it can safely be ignored!

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