š LJoyce, we display our jiggly bits proudly. There used to be fat there! š
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Naked dancing? As one of the few blokes on this thread I am not going there. Any way, I also have jiggly bits. I am working on my fitness so it is an interesting mix of muscle and jiggly bits. I hit the gym this morning, the second time this week and the result feels good. Unfortunately we keep finding Christmas leftovers – last night it was sticky toffee pudding.
Good morning everyone,
Woot! Into the 70’s Arel! https://giphy.com/gifs/dancing-happy-excited-WsKVAem02Efuw (not naked, no jiggly bits, but nice move!)
And a good day on top of it. On a roll!
Merry, are you becoming a tooth fairy? I can see the intrinsic need for secrecy in that.
Gday, what an impressive loss over Christmas. A Bali trip will be just gorgeous! Miss D will have a ball! And so will you, I’m sure.
Stay, Wo, busy grandmothering! Hooray for quiet times with naps and movies. Did I read right that you have them today in the heat? I hope it is a lovely cruisey day. And rest tomorrow.
I’m heading over to mine this morning to check out the apartment pool before the sun comes on it.
I got out my bathers I haven’t worn for years and luckily they still fit. Quite loose but hooray for stretchy material. I am about recovered from last grandma episode, and plan to be cautious today.
Cali amazing picture of snow in unusual places! Glad to know you are nicely in the 58’s.
I wonder if Penguin is snowed in again? Edit: Just saw Penguin post! muscle and jiggly bits! Gym and Christmas left overs. Life’s interesting juxtapositions!
LJoyce, you go for so much longer without an appetite than I ever do. I had an overeating evening last night (first one for a while), and I am not hungry for breakfast this morning, but I am sure I will be starving by lunch time. We are all so different. But it must have been a nice rest day for your digestive system.
I hope the sprinkling went well.
Best wishes for a good day today!
Cinque. No snow here for a week. It seems to be falling on Florida – snow on Florida?? Certainly none for us next week. We leave home at 0330 hours on Monday and all being well will be in Madeira for lunch. Not Bali but the temperature will be about 12 C warmer than here – which will will give us a frozen 19 C by Australian standards.
Merry is getting it right – if only Merry knows it is a secret, tell someone else and it can leak, tell two people and the world knows. This way we can all speculate wildly.
Penguin, I agree that Merryās secret wouldnāt be much of a secret if she shared it with any of us. But is anyone else here just as nosey as I am?? š¤ We can certainly speculate. š¤ And Iām thinking it could have something to do with either bitcoin or Cinqueās guess of tooth fairy training. šš
FD for me, my third Saturday in a row switched from Sunday which feels a bit odd but I’ve woken up over my trigger weight and that’s the rule. I’m never going back. Hoping this gets me back under so I don’t have to contemplate a B2B ordeal.
Stay, any regrets about the fish and chips? I hope they were delicious. I had a Sumo salad in town with DD yesterday. Who’d have thought that would send me over the tipping point! Eating out is never worth it for me.
LJ, I hope your FD went went. The last few FDs, I’ve not been hungry until well after 2pm and it’s almost become a 24 hour fast. So today, I’m going to see if I can just go to 5pm. I haven’t even taken the cauliflower soup out of the freezer in anticipation.
Arel, pleased that your FDs will be the same as mine, Sun and Weds. It will be nice to have a buddy again. Well done getting into the 70s.
Annette, I’ve read your posts about your friends’ and son’s progress. I’ve seen your posts in several threads before over the years so it’s nice to have you here. Where do you live?
CalifD, glad you’re enjoying Outlander. Isn’t the US wx unusual right now? Snow in Florida! My mum lives there, I bet she doesn’t even own a coat. Interesting to read of all the hot wx in the eastern states too; it was a cold (by our standards) 27C here in Perth yesterday and DD and I even got wet at one point!
Cinque, I hope your 800 cal days are going well. Do you practice 1 or 2 per week?
Arelk, belated CONGRATULATIONS for reaching into the 70 kg range! …You live at Gloucester which I just explored on Google maps and earth. I love the hilly ranges and rock formations surrounding the town, so beautiful! I also love the quaint architecture of the older homes and pretty gardens, which certainly is absent from our surrounds here and often when there is an older style house it is pulled down to make way for units! I see it is a 6 hour and 51 minute drive from Gloucester to our village in the Tweed. Look forward to getting together in the future Arelk!
Penguin, I chuckled when I read your ‘Emperor Penguin’ quip over on the science thread. I was also fascinated by the Dr. Longo discussion there. I admire that Longo has documented so much about his ‘mimic fasting’ approach. Interesting to read that he couldn’t get anyone to fast and that’s why he developed the alternative, much in the same way that Dr. M has. I wish there were as much precise documentation about the critical health benefits from long term practice of 5:2. I’m aware that Dr. M tracked some of the results over the first year of the forum’s existence, would love to read an update of even basic stats since.
Cinque, enjoy the swim with the littlies! My hunger patterns very much match what you describe! …That’s why I do better following 5:2 than I would 24 hour water fasts.
Merry, when I imagine your project, I immediately think of you as being the foundation behind a well known philanthropic organization.
Annette, Speaking of 24 hour water fasts, I was curious to read your post about your fasting experience. Do you now solely practice the 24 hour water fasts instead of reduced calories over the 36 hours per 5:2? If so, I admire your ability!
I fasted yesterday and was thrilled to see that I’ve released the kilogram I gained over Christmas holidays, and more! I credit this success to 5:2, keeping my food diary and the entering of both FD and NFD foods into myfitnesspal, doing a bit of fun exercise and maybe even the 2-3 litres of icy water I’ve been consuming also helped! Weight on 1 Jan = 59.1 kg and today’s weight 6 Jan = 56.9 kg. I’m aware that much of the gain and loss would have been water/fluid weight, in fact it probably was! By the way, on the lines of muscle, fat and water weight: I’ve finally booked in for my full body composition scan for this Tuesday. This scan will provide me with the results of the ‘Angela Rippon’ style inulin powder experiment which I’ve been conducting on myself over the past 7 + months. That experiment was to see if 30 grams of inulin powder consumed daily actually leads to a reduction of my visceral fat.
Good morning SHs, I hope you are finding ways to avoid the heat today. (Cali & Penguin, stay safe from snow and slippery roads.)
I have noticed that I don’t dread summer the way I used to when I was obese. Hot weather was very uncomfortable when I was carrying a lot of extra weight. Not that I actually like hot days, but they don’t stress my body the way they used to. My ankles used to swell to twice their normal size and I’d be up three times every night to empty my bladder as the oedema cleared. Not only is any oedema rare these days, I mostly get unbroken sleep too – double win
Cali, my jiggly bits will remain strictly disguised by clothing. Some things just aren’t attractive. I did think through the pros and cons of plastic surgery to remove excess skin when I got to my goal weight – and with a 50kg loss I have a bit of it in several areas. However I didn’t particularly want surgery and I decided that it was helpful to see this when dressing and undressing – It reminds me clearly of the damage I’ve done to my body and makes me not want to repeat that ever again.
Cinque, enjoy the pool, hope its cool and relaxing.
I think it’s mostly the weather affecting my appetite at the moment. When the weather is suddenly hotter I don’t feel hungry and the reverse is also true. When it’s suddenly colder I’m ravenous all day.
Thin, hope the FD goes well and you get under your trigger weight easily. “Sumo” conjures up images of huge wrestlers – not something I associate with food that helps you not gain weight.
Minka, I’ll be very interested to see whether your body scan results show an improvement. I am still taking inulin most days as well. At present I’m having it in a kefir, fruit and psyllium smoothie for lunch on NFDs. I figure it’s the perfect package as it has a dose of both pre-biotics and pro-biotics.
Penguin, I also read your comment on the science thread. Not only do emperor penguins spend the 5 months without food, they are also stuck in an Antarctic winter and on child care duty 24 hours a day for the 5 months! It might be a good way to lose weight but I can think of easier approaches.
Have a nice Saturday everyone.
Good afternoon everyone, all over Oz and NZ, and over there in Snowland. Hope you are staying safe, hydrated, cool/warm wichever applies, and happily 5:2ing whatever your situation.
LOL – relax! Naked happy dancing does not require to jiggle/dance infront of anyone but your mirror. It was named by someone on the forum – Thin was that you? Itās simply that happy little, ok, jiggle, you do as you step off the scales having reached a goal or just gone under an 0 number for the first time. And donāt tell me you donāt do it cos I know you do. And donāt tell me you weigh yourself with clothes on. Yep, images, not going there but we all celebrate when someone gets to do the NHD.
Hmmmm, lol to this too… probably shouldnāt have mentioned the word āprojectā. Just so happy my erratic appearance on the thread will be from something good not another bit of nasty Life stuff happening. Love the Tooth Fairy Cinque.
Talking of erratic I had a bit of a hoover day yesterday, of food brought into the house by other people . I am not someone who can have tempting stuff in the house.
Hey Intesha, well done on getting back under 70 and on your way to a number youāre happy with. Keep looking forward to that lovely holiday. You will be the most glamorous one there.
Hi Minka:
The only clinical study of 5:2 I am aware of is Harvie’s published in early 2010: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017674/ It studies the effects of 5:2 using a diet of foods chosen by the participants from a list to a control group eating a Mediterranean type diet with a similar restricted caloric content. Basically, though, both groups ate very similar diets. The 5:2 group reduced their caloric intake by 75% two days a week and ate to their TDEE the other 5 (the standard 5:2). The control group reduced their caloric content 25% 7 days a week. The study concludes that 5:2 can be used as a safe and effective weight loss diet when compared to a standard every day reduced calorie diet. You may notice that the study was published a couple of years before Dr. M did his program and published his book. Dr. M did not create the 5:2 diet, he popularized it (and I’m glad he did!).
It will be very difficult to get long term results about 5:2 for a couple of reasons. First, it has only been around a few years. Second, the types of foods eaten on the diet are critical for determining if 5:2 yields health benefits other than those arising from weight loss.
For instance, think of the question of whether or not following 5:2 will reverse Type 2 diabetes. It has been proven that Type 2 diabetes can be reversed by long term fasting (Dr. Goldhamer), eating a high fat, low carb diet (Dr. Atkins) and/or doing a combination of both of the above by using both long term and intermittent fasting with a HFLC diet (Dr. Fung). If you structure a 5:2 study so that a low carb, high fat diet is followed, the results may be positive and will probably conclude that 5:2 has helped reverse the Type 2. But if you structure the study so that low fat, high carb foods are required, including foods like sugar, white bread, rice, pasta, potatoes and other processed carbs, the study might show absolutely no improvement in the participants’ diabetes and it would be concluded that 5:2 provided no health benefit because the Type 2 was not reversed. If you combined the two studies, one might conclude that 5:2 by itself did not cause some ‘other health benefits’ in either study, but that it was the chosen diet that was the deciding factor.
Given the unlimited combinations of food allowed under 5:2, the only real thing you can say about it is that if the caloric guidelines are followed, and you eat 25% of your TDEE each diet day and no more than your TDEE on your other five non-diet days – you will lose weight.
Hey – that ain’t all bad!
Hello, back from my daughter’s and ready to lie down and watch tv.
I stood on her (dodgy) scales and I was under 50kg which is about what I thought, so I will take each fast day as it comes. 800 cals twice a week seems to be good for that ‘disruptor’ factor. My daughter took a photo https://imgur.com/UloPdsV Can’t see my face (haircut booked for Tuesday) but it is me and the grandkids just before we got in.
It doesn’t show my jiggly underarms, but Miss 3 had a nice time batting at them with quiet fascination when we came in from the swim.
I’ll find you a ‘before’ photo one day to show how good 5:2 has been to me.
Fingers crossed that today’s fast works, Thin, and you get nicely under your trigger weight.
Merry, so wonderful it is something good, and not another nasty bit of life happening. Minka had a good idea. What about head of the secret cartel that rules the world? I’d be happy to have you there! (Cali, I rather hope it isn’t bitcoin, unless she is selling ones she bought six years ago!) (In which case, can I have one to start YamDaisy with?)
And yes, I have done that private naked happy dance in my time!
Minka, congrats with the kilo gone, good luck with the body scan. Hope that visceral fat is disappearing!
LJoyce, you are so right that the summers are easier with less weight! Thanks 5:2!
Penguin, 19 is perfect! Best wishes for a great holiday!
Cheers to every single one of you!
Hi Minka:
Your interest in more clinical studies on 5:2 is shared by many. I’m not aware of any on going 5:2 studies, but there may be some somewhere. Current studies focus on longer term water fasting and the results are pretty good.
The only clinical study of 5:2 I am aware of is Harvie’s published in early 2010: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017674/ It studies the effects of 5:2 using a diet of foods chosen by the participants from a list to a control group eating a Mediterranean type diet with a similar restricted caloric content. Basically, though, both groups ate very similar diets. The 5:2 group reduced their caloric intake by 75% two days a week and ate to their TDEE the other 5. The control group reduced their caloric content 25% 7 days a week. The study concludes that 5:2 can be used as a safe and effective weight loss diet when compared to a standard every day reduced calorie diet. You may notice that the study was published a couple of years before Dr. M did his program and published his book. Dr. M did not create the 5:2 diet, he popularized it (and I’m glad he did!).
It will be very difficult to get long term results about 5:2 for a couple of reasons. First, it has only been around a few years. Second, the types of foods eaten on the diet are critical for determining if 5:2 yields health benefits other than those arising from weight loss.
For instance, think of the question of whether or not following 5:2 will reverse Type 2 diabetes. It has been proven that Type 2 diabetes can be reversed by long term fasting (Dr. Goldhamer), eating a high fat, low carb diet (Dr. Atkins) and/or doing a combination of both long term and intermittent fasting with the HFLC diet (Dr. Fung). If you structure a 5:2 study so that a low carb, high fat diet is followed, the results may be positive and one might conclude that 5:2 played some role in the result. But if you structure the study so that low fat, high carb foods are required, including foods like sugar, white bread, rice pasta, potatoes and other processed carbs, the study might show absolutely no improvement in the participants’ diabetes. In other words, if both studies were taken into consideration, it might be concluded that 5:2 did not cause positive health benefits in either study but rather the chosen diets were determinative. 5:2 would not have caused some ‘other health benefits’ in and of itself.
Given the unlimited combinations of food allowed under 5:2, the only real thing you can say about it is that if the caloric guidelines are followed, and you eat 25% of your TDEE each diet day and no more than your TDEE on your other five non-diet days – you will lose weight.
Hey – that ain’t all bad!
Cinque, good photo with the grand daughters – they look excited to get into the water.
Merry, I can only cope with tempting things if they are well hidden.
I’m very visual when it comes to food, if I see it I want it. If there’s a bar of chocolate or bag of nuts sitting on the kitchen I need to eat some every time I go into the kitchen and see it. But I can hide it in the freezer or the back of the fridge or pantry and mostly forget it’s there. I’m easily distracted, if I wander into the kitchen because I want a snack the first appealing thing that I see is what I want and I stop looking. For me the trick is to put healthier options on the kitchen bench or at the front of the fridge or pantry shelves. At present all of the christmas goodies (various chocolates & panforte) that I was given have been bundled into a container and are hidden at the back of a fridge crisper drawer that I don’t use. Sometimes I resort to putting a bowl of berries on the kitchen bench – I can usually be satisfied with grabbing a handful and leaving the kitchen again. Like all ways I try to fool my mind into believing that it doesn’t really want treats, it only works about 90% of the time. There are days I’ll pull the kitchen apart looking for hidden treats. It’s as if my brain says “Sorry, you’ve pulled that trick once too often and today I’m not falling for it.”
I have finally resorted to turning on the air-con. It’s doing its job nicely. It’s probably even cooled me down enough to contemplate a cup of tea.
Simcoeluv, thanks for posting the info about current studies on fasting. I take studies on any type of diet other than those in a clinical setting with some skepticism because I always wonder how accurate they are, relying on participants memories, record keeping skills and honesty about what they actually ate. But I agree that it would be nice to know.
I rely on the experience of people here on these forums that Iāve come to know for guidance on how well the 5:2 works. Everyone who sticks with it seems to have positive results for weight loss. Any other benefits are harder to know. Everyone has lost the weight in the past few years and I would think it would take longer than that to see a lot of results. We do know that a lot of people get off or cut down on blood pressure meds and weāve seen some peopleās blood work improve on prediabetes. Just losing weight is a big benefit for body organs and joints that donāt have to work as hard.
One thing that you mentioned and that Iāve read other places, about the 5:2 is about eating 25% of your TDEE on FD and staying under it on NFD. Iāve always eaten 500 calories on FD which is above 1/4 of my TDEE. Most of the time 1/4 would have been around 350. Even 12+ kg ago it was above. I donāt count calories on NFD, but Iām about 95% certain that I always eat quite a bit above my TDEE on most NFD. But I still lost weight. I have my thyroid checked yearly and I know thatās normal so it isnāt that. I donāt get much exercise and sit behind a desk a good part of the day, Donāt most of you eat 500 calories or so on FD?
Cinque, you are beautiful! And thin! Your granddaughters are so cute and they look like theyāre loving the pool. Thank you for posting the picture.
Merry, Iām exactly the same as LJoyce as far as leaving sweets and high calorie foods out in the kitchen. If itās in the freezer or even sort of hidden in the pantry, itās out of site, out of mind. But if itās out on the kitchen counter I will take a piece every time I walk past it.
Hello CalifD, I aim to eat about 350cals on my FDs. I keep an egg (80 cals), frozen banana (110 cals) or 50gms cottage cheese (40 cals) in reserve because, whilst hunger doesn’t bother me particularly, I can’t deal with it when trying to sleep. As I’m in maintenance (or was until this morning!), I feel it’s OK if I go to 450 cals. This is based on a weight of 60kgs. What you’re doing is working perfectly for you, so carry on! You did as well as anyone I know over Christmas, better than most.
On NFDs, I never count calories which is probably why I landed myself over my trigger weight today. This WOL was touted as being able to ‘have what you want most of the time’ and that’s how I live it. However, what I want, and how much of it, has changed a lot since fasting became a part of my life. After a walk and then a shower, I was back below but I really want to get well below 61kg because I’m not going anywhere near that slippery slope again.
Merry, that naked dance was already happening when you and I got here – I think the poster was NickyF. Does that name ring a bell? But I definitely did the NHD for years while losing weight. It ain’t pretty but it beats the alternative. CalifD and I did try to re-start dancing on FDs (I assume she was clothed, as was I). It didn’t seem to catch on. BTW, can I annoy everyone by saying that I might know what Merry’s secret is (if it’s an ongoing thing)! But, Merry, don’t you worry, your secret is safe with me.
Cinque, when I opened that link, I was expecting a naked you. I think it would be hilarious to have all of us posting a before and after 5:2 naked picture, no head shot. There must be a website where one can post a photo completely anonymously. And then everyone else would have to try and guess who’s who! But we’d never tell. OK, a slight disadvantage for Penguin and Joffy, if he ever returns. There you are, I told you it wouldn’t be long before I offended you.
LJ, yeah you’re right ‘Sumo salad’ doesn’t really sound like weight watchers, does it? I’ve made it past 2pm and not particularly hungry, or actually I am a bit but I’m punishing myself for getting in a mess.
Cali – the problem with writing about the treats I have hidden is it reminded me that are there. I’ve just eaten 2 chocolates – a turkish delight and a peanut cluster. They are now back in the bottom of the fridge where I can hopefully forget about them again for a while. Although I can still taste the rosewater in the turkish delight!
Like you 1/4 of my TDEE is around 350cals but while I was losing weight I ate up to 500 on FDs. Oddly, since maintenance I find I eat less on FDs, usually 350-400. I think it’s because I never look for lunch on a FD now and I often don’t have a mid afternoon snack either, I just eat dinner. I do remember reading something from MM about FD calories where he said it was fine to stay with 500 even if your TDEE was less that 2000. I think it comes down to what’s sustainable and how much will it slow down weight loss. Everyone will find the balance between those things that suits them.
Hi everyone
Just here to say hello – waiting for visitors to arrive any minute – staying overnight. Still 79.9kg today, must finally be doing something right š – still feels good – thank you Cinque for your link, enjoyed it & thank you to all the other well wishes.
Enjoy whatever you are doing & bye for now!
Simcoeluv, thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response! Interesting to discover that Dr. M didn’t invtent 5:2! I somehow had thought he did! …Like lots of good things out there, they aren’t of much worth to many unless they become educated about them! Purple carrots are a case in point! They are so much healthier than orange carrots, though the public hasn’t been educated about them enough to choose them over orange carrots, so the various attempts to stock them in the supermarkets have failed! Good on Dr. M. for bringing 5:2 to the masses! …I still chuckle when I think of what you wrote about Dr. Longo not finding anyone to trial his fasting program over a number of years and only attracted participants by calling it a ‘Diet in a Box’ program! …Also appreciate the perspective about there not being so much difference between 300 and 500 calories. I see there’s now a dedicated 800 calorie thread which I’ve yet to peak into! I guess Dr. M now thinks there isn’t so much difference between 500 and 800 calories either?
Calif, while in weight loss mode I mostly ate 1/4 of my TDEE. Now that I’m in maintenance I usually consume the full 500 calories on FDs and that works for me. I agree with Thin and the others in supporting you to keep doing what you are doing since it is working so well!
Cinque, you look gorgeous there in the bathers at the side of the pool! I love the haircut and you look svelte and toned! Was good to read of Yam Daisy dreams and possibilities too!
I have recently only resorted to count calories so to let my brain know that I won’t starve if I don’t eat the copious amounts of food I morphed into consuming over the past few months. For example, if I went to the refrigerator for a teaspoon of roasted macadamia butter as a favorite snack to eat off the spoon, I would end up seeing 3-4 dirty teaspoons and sometimes a couple of Tablespoons as well by the time I was finished there! I also seemed to crave to snack after meals (especially after lunch even though we always eat lunch at a table with no distractions except the birds singing in the garden!).
Somehow visibly seeing the number of calories I need to eat spelled out by myfitnesspal in food portions of raw ingredients and recipes I’ve entered into the system and even treats I purchase, has really helped my brain get the message that I won’t starve if I don’t eat those extra spoons of macadamia butter. My brain is starting to get the message about what healthy portion sizes look like and diarizing has helped me be more conscious about food choices and knowing I have enough calories in the bank on a NFD for a treat, is comforting and takes ‘treats’ out of the ‘naughty’ zone. The kid in me will often rebel and eat foods I subconscious categorize in the ‘naughty’ zone when I’m not coping with my emotions. So seeing that a treat isn’t necessarily ‘naughty’ has also been healthy and a relief! In fact it has also removed any guilt I had been feeling about consuming the treat.
Here’s to me being able to keep up the tracking once I start my busier work schedule next week. At this point my brain still needs the extra visible feedback to fortify the new neural pathways that I feel I’m building! It has been easy during these days of little or no work and nights of quality sleep! We’ll see how I go when challenged! …That will be the challenge!
Minka, you might find that when you are time poor from next week you eat less – not just because there’s less time to focus on food but the extra task of having to enter the food into a food diary as well as into your mouth might make me you think twice about whether to bother! That’s how it would work for me anyway. My FDs are very simple with few ingredients for that very reason. NFDs another story!
I lasted until 6pm when DD came home from work to have my first food today (notwithstanding my two A&C coffees, 20cals, as everyone knows so it goes without saying by now). So, it was almost a 24 hour water fast, I presume? Dinner tonight was 195 cals and I am full. Just before that, my dear neighbour arrived with some amazing looking raspberry brownie treat (I tried not to look at it too hard) as she had no way to know that I’d switched FDs again this week. DD said it was divine and still warm. I shall enjoy mine immensely tomorrow provided that I’m back in the correct weight zone.
Hello,
I hope that you don’t mind me popping in. I am in the SW of the UK in a small city called Bath. I can only attempt a 24 hour fast if it is the weekend or I am on holiday-I work term time at a school. I usually do the skip breakfast and then try and make a good choice at lunchtime(meals are provided free) and then something light for dinner. It isn’t always 500 cals, sometime it is nearer 800 but I hope that the fasting itself is helping my body.
I tried the 24 hour fast after reading Fung ‘The Obesity Myth’. I was inspired and found it far easier just to keep going on water and tea, than eating food. I count the 24 hours from dinner the evening before, then sleep, skip breakfast and lunch, then look forward to something like lamb chops and salad or vegetables or a fillet of salmon. I tried it several times and it certainly reduced my waistline, so I know that it works.
Hi Annette, you are not the only northern hemispherite on this thread. I am from a little north of you – The Forest of Dean. Lovely place Bath: about thirty years ago when in the RAF I was at Rudloe Manor, just out of town on the Chippenham Road. Just to confuse us, one of our Aussies lives in Gloucester, but not ours!
I started on a thread called “Are there many guys on this diet?”, then early last year I visited the related science articles thread and followed a couple of names onto this one. They are a friendly lot – you’ll be OK here.
The wild boar are a pain. There isn’t a piece of open ground or a road side verge in the forest they haven’t ploughed and if they get into your garden they wreck it.. They have attacked cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians and have killed a few dogs that were being walked in the woods. A couple of years ago one had to be shot in the playground of our village primary school because it was aggressive towards anyone entering the school grounds. Ours are not true wild boars; they look the part but before being released into the woods they were crossed with domestic pigs so they are bigger and have more young. The tourists feed the young, which are pretty little things, so they grow up with no fear of man. Because they have no natural enemies the original dozen or so released into the forest now number about 2,000. They are expanding out of the forest – there is CCTV of one that managed to get across or round the Severn and was filmed in the town centre of Gloucester. The people who instal cattle grids are doing quite well as they are increasingly being installed across house entrances. There is an answer – when I lived in Germany we used to eat them, but every time that is suggested people who don’t have to live with them form a boar protection society.
Good morning everyone,
Ha LJoyce, you are so right re the little ones looking forward to the water. All the one year old wanted to do was plunge straight in.
Thanks for the nice things people said, I look skinnier in photos than I do in the mirror. Why is that?
I’m so impressed by people who can hide things they don’t want to eat and forget about them (for a while at least). My brain doesn’t work like that at all. Once I threw some chocolates in my rubbish bin and then dug them out a couple of hours later (individually wrapped you’ll be relieved to hear). So now I know I need to unwrap them, squash them and put them completely out of reach (if I am stupid enough to bring them into the house in the first place).
On the other hand, 5:2 has worked well for me without me worrying about my TDEE at all. My TDEE must be low as I have a chronic illness (ME/CFS) that makes me very sedentary, but when I started 5:2 I made 800 cals a day my limit (after watching “What’s the right diet for you?” http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ddsd9) And then cut it down as I went, according to what felt manageable, until my usual fast day calories were around 350. And now, since maintenance and a recent operation, they are back up to 800.
Talking of fast days, I am having one today, but Oooh my usual pattern is messed up as I am out of shiitake mushrooms. My miso soup just won’t be the same! But I have faith that I can manage! š
I hope everyone is managing a good day, fast day or not. I hope no wild boars get into your garden Penguin! And that you are not having to contemplate a fast day today Thin! I’m glad the SA fires seem to be under control SAers. Cheers all.
Cinque, photos usually add the illusion of extra weight, not subtract it. I bet youāre more critical of yourself when you look in the mirror. (Most of us are, I think.)
I can usually hide things I donāt want to eat and forget about them unless itās something like ice cream. I can only bring that into the house in amounts that we plan to eat right away. (I donāt have any proble with getting it out of the trash. š)
We took down the Christmas trees today and all but a couple decorations which will be done tomorrow. Every year it seems like thereās more things to store! With all that activity I didnāt have a chance to eat until about 4 pm, so thatās a good thing. But last night I broke into a box of granola while I was sitting and reading Fire and Fury. I ended up with heartburn for half the night and 600 extra grams in the morning. It wasnāt just the granola, I ate quite a bit more healthy and not so healthy food during the day. Another case of self sabotaging a good number on the scale yesterday morning.
Do wild boars chase penguins?
No takers for the naked fasters’ website? What a boring lot!
Cinque, I got away with not requiring the Sunday fast thanks, but only just. I either need a third FD or some much better control over NFD eating this week. I don’t want to be bobbing up and down near the trigger weight but down there with you, Minka and CalifD in the low zone.
I don’t seem very good at practicing ‘controlled eating’ as I’m a very black & white person. But I can stick to rules. So I need to develop some rules for CDs. I just had my breakfast, clearly out of habit, as I was so full before I’d eaten half. I did manage to put the rest in the fridge. In the past, I’d have eaten it anyway.
The photos and what we see in the mirror are complicated aspects of our body image. My GP says that no-one has a totally accurate body image. I know that when I was overweight, I became accustomed to what I saw in the mirror and it became normal. But whenever I saw a photo of myself, I was horrified at how fat I looked.
Annette, of course we are delighted to have you here. I’m from the UK too. In the seventies, I did a 3 month hospital practice in Gloucester as part of my training. I had a van but often couldn’t afford the petrol so I did a lot of hitching especially at weekends to get back south to my family. Once I got in a bit of a pickle with an unsavoury character who drove me into some woods. But I got away (obviously). It wasn’t until many years later while living in the USA and watching a serial killer documentary, that I recognised the man I’d been with as Fred West, someone I’d never heard of until then.
P.S. Cinque, did you notice those food analogies creeping into my story? When we made that list before, did we remember having a ‘beef’ about something?
Good luck Thin,
Ah yes, food in language. I didn’t notice your analogies creeping in, but I’ll be looking out now. Adding a bit of spice to the conversation!
Fred West. eep!
Cali and Thin, you remind me that when I was fat (I ended up over 80 kg) photos horrified me with how fat I was, while the mirror wasn’t as bad. In the mirror my eyes must adjust me to some middling sense of myself in my own brain. Very interesting.
I hope you can finish your book without more granola Cali. The gobsmacking tweets are enough of an accompaniment š
Hi fellow SH’s
Visitors left at lunch time – enjoyed their company. Now 79.4kg – enjoying the downward trend – happy to jiggle, but not on a naked website: sorry thin.
Cinque: you obviously have a wonderful time with your grandchildren – enjoy each moment
CalifD: like you, I have ~ 500 cal most FD’s – most times more, but overall am happy that my eating habits have improved & better controlled since starting 5:2 in Oct 2017. The experience of others is always motivational for me. Enjoy your ‘Fast & Fury’ read
Thin: glad to now be sharing FD’s with you as well – thought lazy Sunday’s then yoga Wednesday’s would be easier to eat less, will see how it goes! What a very scary experience for you to realise that ‘unsavoury character’ from your past is a killer in the present – so glad you got away from him
LJ: your overall 50kg weight loss is totally amazing & inspirational – I look forward to the day when heat & humidity is more tolerable – it’s 44’C here today
Minka: thank you for your earlier post – Gloucester is a very lovely area, people are friendlier, pace is slower & more comfortable: I enjoy country living. Look forward to catching up with you one day. Best wishes for Tuesday’s body scan. Tracking is also working for me as well.
Penguin: my surrounding area was settled by English immigrants in 1826 – they named the towns Gloucester, Stroud & Stratford (which is also on the Avon River). I also grew up in Newcastle NSW. OH & I visited the UK in 2008 & found these areas to be very similar to where we live, though not weather conditions – currently 44’C today. Enjoy your travels to Madiera & have a wonderful, relaxing holiday
Merry: I’m looking forward to many more ‘private’ naked happy dancers – every kg is a big achievement for me! Keep enjoying your secret project & continue to keep us all guessing – a bit of mystery is good for the soul!
Intesha: < 70kg – so you’re doing a happy dance as well, good on you
Annette: warm welcome – Bath is a lovely city – I’m the ‘Aussie from Gloucester’ that Penguin mentioned
Hope everyone is enjoying today, bye for now!
Thin, sounds like you are extremely lucky to be alive. As a teenager I’ve twice gotten away from people trying to drag me into a car, but I never got in willingly with a stranger. (I think my mother’s stranger danger lessons were too strong for me to risk it.)
I have the same dilemma regarding FDs vs CDs at the moment. I’ve settled for 3 FD this week as I also have a lunch at an Italian cafe to accommodate and I can’t rely on myself to be controlled on most of my NFDs – my performance has been a bit erratic of late. Consequently I’m fasting today (and probably also Tues & Sat).
I also agree about the photos.
Cinque, the worst bushfire in SA was in the south east in farm land. I don’t think any homes have been lost but lots of livestock has unfortunately been killed or so badly injured that the farmers will have to shoot them. I think the winds have died down a lot now which helps when trying to control grass fires. In addition to the many ground crews, they have had 9 water bombing aircraft down there trying to contain it.
Cali, I also had one of those days where I couldn’t stop grazing yesterday. Even when all the cupboards contain healthy choices, too much is still a problem.
Arelkade, glad you are still under 80 even after visitors. That’s usually something that bounces my weight back up.
Penguin, It isn’t just Gloucester that we stole. The Europeans who settled here were a pretty unimaginative lot when it came to naming places. In the towns settled by English and Scots they’re named after places they knew from home (eg Perth). The same happened in towns settled by German immigrants. In South Australia they actually renamed all towns with German names during WW1 – by an act of state parliament – this mostly affected the Barossa Valley and parts of the Adelaide Hills. http://graememoad.com/web/Place_names/German_place_names_in_South_Australia.html Some reverted back later – eg Hahndorf – their German heritage is a big part of the tourist attraction for them so having a German name was an advantage when war wasn’t involved. The irony was that it required another act of parliament to allow towns to revert back to their original names if they wanted to – this was finally passed in 1935! Thankfully they didn’t go through the same silliness again 4 years later.
Where I grew up road names were named after the first family that started farming there. Probably because the locals tended to name roads based on what it led to. If the Miller’s farm was at the end of a road then the dirt track that led there was Millers Rd to all the locals. Even as the population grew and the dirt tracks became proper roads the names stuck.
I went to the cherry farm again this morning with family. I still needed to get boxes of cherries as belated christmas presents for my niece and nephew who were both away from home over christmas. I bought a 2kg box for each of them (and their families who will make short work of the contents) and a 1kg for me. I only just finished the last of my pre-christmas cherries on Friday so it’s good timing.
As I mentioned I’m fasting, so I ignored all the goodies on offer at the coffee shop attached to the cherry farm and just had a pot tea. I went with other family and they all hopped into iced coffees, scones and cherry slice. I looked the other way and enjoyed my tea. I did try the fresh cherries though as they had two varieties on offer and I needed to choose which one I wanted to buy. It’s amazing how much variation in taste there is between varieties. The “Stella” that I bought before christmas were intensely sweet and rich – so much so that I couldn’t eat more than a handful at a time. Today they had “Simone” and “Lapins” and I chose the latter as I think they had a better flavour. Both varieties have more tartness to them than the “Stella” which is all sweet and no sour. I think the farm still has one more late season variety to ripen before they close up at the end of the summer. This is something we rarely think of when we buy fruit from a green grocer. Apples are one of the few fruits that are sold by variety rather than just “apples”. We usually don’t consider that the reason the apricots we bought this week don’t taste as nice as those we bought last month might be because it’s a different variety.
Hope you are all having a nice Sunday.
Penguin, if I remember correctly you are heading off to Madeira tomorrow. Have a lovely time, I hope you get some balmy weather.
Hello all,
I am still around but been so busy. I tried to keep the week between Christmas and New Year free so OH and I could spend some time together but alas it did not work out and he ended up flying out to Gove twice in that time and also a quick drive around to the other side of Trinity Inlet for another job that had been delayed so many times we just had to get it done when they asked. So here we are today, just returned home from having a relaxing massage each and ready to start a new healthy year tomorrow!!
Last time I weighed myself I was doing ok even after Christmas day but I have not weighed since and am a little frightened to do so. I will weigh myself tomorrow morning and start a new year with determination.
So I started reading the top of this page and found myself reading all about jiggly bits. What has everyone been up to????? OMG I think I have missed out on so much over the last couple of weeks it will take me ages to catch up with it all.
So now for a well earned Sunday afternoon rest and catch everyone tomorrow!!
OMG Thin! What a close call! How harrowing! I used to hitchhike when in my twenties and also got myself into an unpleasant situation, though I wasn’t driven to the woods! However, I never hitchhiked again! I’m so glad you got away!
Annette52, Welcome! I’m pretty sure we’ve conversed on other threads so I feel like we’re already acquainted!
…which reminds me, Penguin, I read your bio and see that you’ve been on this forum for 3 years. You’re one of our longest standing 5:2 forum members, even if newer to this thread! This may have already been discussed (as you gather I miss a lot due to work responsibilities), though you would be up there with Thin as a 5:2 wise elder! …Given that Thin is the longest member of this thread! By the way, I’m with you on the hunting and eating of those wild boar! Were they originally released for hunting purposes? …Wild deer were released for that reason in parts of Australia and are wreaking havoc too, however, it is the hunters and shooters who appear to be protecting the right of deer to remain in the various Australian forests.
…Here in Australia I regard the worst scourges are the Cane Toad and Indian Miners, which are both introduced species go about decimating native species.
Cinque, most mirrors bend over time due to their own weight, so if the mirror itself bulges even slightly in the middle, it can make us look fatter. I even encountered this in a Myer change room, in the old Myer store on Bourke Street Mall! I looked somewhat rotund and definitely realized the mirror wasn’t perfectly flat! It goes without saying that I didn’t buy clothes there! Maybe they need to review this given the Myer share price is sinking!
P.S. Thin, being busy may simply avert my attention from food as you suggest. I hope so!
I’m aware of a deep fear that my ‘insatiable hunger’ state might arise, which for me always seems to mean that there’s an emotional component underlying. That’s when I’m most vulnerable to simply ‘spit the dummy’ on mindful eating and return to impulse eating! I learned a technique which really helped with this the last time I found myself in that state, which was from that book I’ve mentioned previously! This will be a test to see if I can continue to practice that technique in future moments of weakness!
Cinque, I decided to shift this discussion from the legumes thread to avoid cluttering up a recipe thread with lots of talk.
I have put some adzuki beans aside to soak. I’ve decided to have a break from freezer meals and use some of the pantry stockpile. I’ve decided I’m making your Nigerian stew tomorrow. I have carrots and cauliflower and a couple of old potatoes so I think I might do a mixed root veg mash to go with it, although I do like your suggestion of having it on toast. I suspect some of the leftovers might end up being eaten that way as I know this will end up adding to my frozen meal collection.
Do you stick to the quantity of peanut butter? – I know I’m going to be tempted to add more because I love all nut pastes.
I think it was Minka who said she’s continually getting into the jar of macadamia butter as a snack. I’m the same, I do that to any nut butters that are in the pantry and some days have quite a collection of teaspoons piled up in the sink.
LJoyce, I was thinking of making that Nigerian stew tomorrow too after reading some of the posts in the legumes thread. And I was thinking about using the adzuki beans which I bought when we were all talking about them here a couple months ago. I cooked some at the time and then havenāt thought about them since. Funny that we both thought of making them in that recipe on the same day, isnāt it? Great minds…š
Minka, I never realized mirrors bend over time from the weight. Iāve seen distorted mirrors but always thought they were that way from the start. I definitely need to find one that keeps me looking thin.
I just bought the Kindle version of The Longevity Diet after seeing comments about it being released in another thread here. I think I will start reading that and set Fire and Fury aside for a while. Reading a few chapters last night had me ready to āspit the dummyā! (That expression made me laugh, Minka. I had never heard it before.) š
Just heard – Penrith. (Far west of Sydney – 47.3C today! Thatās 117.14F.
At our place weāve had the air con on low since early and done the usual things to keep the house cool – keeping fairly quiet.
My day:
65.1kg and working to keep it down for weekly weigh in and FD tomorrow.
Our expat went shopping this afternoon, for things to take back eg Flakes, various other treats not available over there.
Expat: āAnything I can get you while Iām at the supermarket?ā
OH: A packet of. Ch……. B……
Expat: OK Iāll get a kg.
OH and I: Nooooooo………..,
OH: just a packet.
Time passes…. …. …..
Expat arrives home.
Expat: OK who likes dark ch…, who likes milk ch….. Iāve got a packet for you, a packet for you, a packet for you etc
So Iāve had a few, and Ljoyce-like theyāre now sealed in a corner of the freezer hoping Iāll forget theyāre there. Lol, not much chance of that!
Iām like you Cinque, if itās in the house Iāll eat it. Oh, and if itās frozen itās even more attractiveš
Merry
Thin, how scarey to think you hitched a ride with a serial killer. š³ Youāre lucky you didnāt end up on some āvictimsā list on the 10:00 news! Glad to hear you got down below your trigger weight. Itās probably mostly water and you get it off this week, with the holidays behind us.
Julie, great to see you here! Hope some of hectic work days settle down. Is it this month that youāre going to Borneo?
Merry, I do find it easier to lose things like chocolate in the freezer – although unexpectedly finding it again tends to lead to an immediate binge. That happened to me a few weeks ago with a bag of bertie beetles that I’d hidden there in September.
Cali, what is also amazing is that we both consider the stew suitable fare in very different seasons. Most stews I only cook in cold weather, but for some reason legume based stews feel appropriate in summer too, especially those with chilli heat in them.
Hi LJoyce,
The peanut butter makes a creamy sauce that doesn’t taste very peanut buttery, Madhur Jaffrey says that people who don’t like peanut better still like it. I think it is perfect, and I remember one time I was more generous with the peanut better, but felt it made the sauce too thick and didn’t help the flavour. (I LOVE peanuts)so I wouldn’t encourage you to do it, but will be interested to hear how it turns out if you do.
I agree with you about bean stews in summer. I guess most of them come from hot countries.
Will respond to other posts tomorrow! Good evening all!
What is this that I am reading about Thin hitching a ride with a serial killer? I missed so much over the last few weeks.
CalifD, Yes we leave for Borneo on the 20th January. I will be taking heaps of photos. I have one photo in the finals for a Japan photography competition that does not finalise until late January and I just found out I won a prize for another photo in the competition before that.
I now have to settle back to what my goal is……and that is loosing this extra weight!!!
I would also like to say hello to some of the newbies that have arrived since I was here last.
Minka, is that successful technique that you learned something you could share here?
I don’t know how you all manage to read & contribute to so many threads. I was once invited over to the MC thread but couldn’t keep up with two so decided my loyalties would remain here where I’d been helped so much myself.
LJ, how terrifying to be bundled into a car and so lucky that you got out of those situations. I did have one other even more scary experience with someone who picked me up in NZ. When he told me we’d be taking a detour to bathe in some hot springs with a few of his Maori cousins, I knew I was in trouble. I eventually talked my way out of that one but later found them stalking me after I’d checked into the youth hostel. NZ had to be one of the safest countries in the world for hitching so that was just bad luck. I had techniques to avoid getting in a car (such as always asking where they were going before revealing my destination) but, on both those occasions, circumstances caused me to make a foolish judgment.
I spent years hitching in many countries with hundreds of lovely people and would never have considered it dangerous at the time. Once my girlfriend & I hitched from S. Spain to Dieppe without stopping (except to change lifts) and before that we’d spent weeks hitching from Nairobi to Cairo. But I hated it when DD told me she planned to hitch around NZ and we gave her the money for a bus pass!
Now I remember that we’ve had this discussion before because Cinque was also a hitcher. Cinque, I think we were hitching around Victoria when Ivan Milat was on the prowl. Eek!
JJulie, it’s lovely to have you back. Don’t worry about catching up with posts, just think of it as if you’ve just dropped into a cafe for a chat with some friends. (Unless you want to of course). This topic was just started today – you haven’t missed anything. Congratulations on winning the photo competition. Your photos are gorgeous. Are you going to Kuching?
LJ, you’re lucky your memory is so bad! I wouldn’t forget chocs in the freezer. I’m with Merry, that makes it all the more tempting – but only for chocolate. I’ll happily leave anything else there. I ate the brownie treat from my neighbour today. TBH, it looked more inviting yesterday than it tasted today but it was still very nice.
I seem to have abandoned my one post per day pledge. I asked a while back if anyone could identify the orange pot of something on http://www.myfitnesspal.com but there were no respondents. Minka, you’ve mentioned using it recently, although the app may be different to the website. Does anyone know please? It just looks like a sample pot of paint to me.
Thin, I think the orange disk looks like a coaster.
Frankly Thin I think the fact that you survived Fred West frightens me more than any of my own memories. The attempts to get me into a car failed more by good luck than good management and I had no self defence skills to speak of. Both happened when I was 17 and in my first year in Adelaide. The first time I got free and found that I really could run fast when I thought my life depended on it, luckily I was only 100m from home. The second time happened while I was waiting for a bus – the bus came along in time. (As I said good luck – if I’d been further from home or no bus arrived it might have been a different outcome.) I never told my parents, mum would never have slept soundly again and dad would have ordered me to leave uni and come home where I was safe. I find it telling that your attitude to hitchhiking changed when it was your daughter involved, mothers always worry.
JJulie, well done on the photo win. You’ll have plenty of more opportunity to take wonderful photos in Borneo. And yes the discussion can get away form you when you don’t read posts for a while – thanks to Thin we’ve gotten on to the topics of naked dancing and serial killers! Never a dull moment around here.
Just to change the subject as I think it needs lightening a bit.
I’m watching the tail end of Michael Moseley’s “The Truth About Sleep”. I missed the first half. He has been taking a prebiotic powder (like inulin) to improve his sleep as he apparently was waking at 3am and couldn’t get back to sleep. He is taking it before bed. I always take inulin powder in the middle of the day (usually in a smoothie). I might need to consider taking it later in the day, I usually have either chai or a hot almond milk drink at bedtime I could add it to. Minka you’ve been taking inulin for quite a while – had you heard that it can effect your sleep?
I need to correct something I said earlier, it’s not just mothers who worry it’s parents. I suppose I haven’t thought of it that way as my father never expressed it as worry. He expressed it as anger or as lots of rules designed to keep my sister and I confined in way that he could be sure we were safe. We didn’t appreciate it much at the time, but I know his heart was in the right place.
My mother was a professional worrier who worried about everything, especially the safety of her children. She put a fear of predators in us that kept me from ever considering hitching anywhere. My dad wasnāt as much of a worrier. LJoyce, my mom was probably like your dad in putting up a lot of rules designed to keep us safe. She would have loved cellphones as a way of keeping track of us.
Thin, my guess about the āorange potā is that itās actually a glass and that itās carrot juice. My first thought was that itās a hot chicken wing sauce that I like, with lots of vinegar and heat. But in the context of the photo, carrot juice seems more likely. BTW, Iām glad you abandoned your one post per day rule. š
Julie, congrats on winning the photo competition! Your photos on FB are gorgeous. I felt like I was traveling with you through Japan.
LJoyce, I think of soups and stews more often in the winter too, but bean stews seem to transcend the seasons. Most of the chili cook off competitions around here seem to be in the summer. Chili usually contains a lot of beans.
Good morning all, what a day yesterday was. Feeling very drained this morning but thankfully we had rain during the night and it has cooled everything down.
Monday morning weigh-in after 3 FDs 68.5. Really happy with that. Back on track hopefully. I have weighed and tracked everything I’ve eaten since last Tuesday and have even incorporated mince pies, and chocolate into my NFDs. So many leftovers still but I cannot throw food away especially when I’ve made it. Luckily most of it keeps soI can still have little indulgences.
Have a good week everyone.
Happy Monday all. Im on 2 weeks leave from today however will spend most of my time on my Diploma study. My next assignment is due in 12 days and i have been extremely slack the last 6 weeks and have done minimal study.
CalifDream Bali is a 5 hour direct flight from Adelaide. Adelaide is a 3.5 hour car journey from where i live.
Laughing at the naked dancing and jiggly bits conversations…..
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