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Day 9|FD| Toronto
@fuvvie: thank you for your great leadership and time commitment.
@reid: you are not alone, Hang in there
@Dykack: I appreciate all your comments over time but especially like the focus on BF and building Lean Body Mass. I would be happy to get my BF below 20% at this point, 12-15% would be amazing
@ Mears: Welcome and best wishes
@at: Re tracking; keeping a food diary is what saved me a few years ago, I went from 92 kg to 80 kg at that time. I stopped and my weight has crept up to 84-87 over last year.
For anyone like me who is trying to build or rebuild new habits the following link may be of interest on how little changes can create momentum. https://qz.com/877795/how-to-create-new-good-habits-according-to-stanford-psychologist-b-j-fogg/
Best regards
Day 9: NFD Az USA. Burrito Monday at work so I am going to only eat half. after my 1st weigh in I’m down to 158, 2lbs this first week. I’m good with that considering I was a little bad on my feast days.
Everyone keeps posting about cold weather and I feel a little guilty having the heater on in my office since it’s going to be 75 degrees today. But I am a desert rat and I like my heat.
Day 9 uk FD
Hi I wonder if anyone could help me with the answer to a question. Since I started this WOL in September I have been weighing once a week. For those used to weighing daliy could you tell me how much fluctuation you generally experince through the week?
For the first time I weighed this morning, when I am likely to be at my heaviest point, after 3 NFDs and after a weekend. I was 1.5 pounds up from last Friday morning directly following the second of two FDs. Just interested in the fluctuation level now I have plucked up the courage to weigh at a point when I am not likely to be at my lightest. Thank you, stay strong fasters!
Day 8, Sweden, FD
Felt extremely disappointed this morning when I stepped onto the scales and saw that the weight was up again. Started to plan a new super strict plan, but halfway into my fasting day I feel better. Most of the weight is probably water due to eating a lot more, and a lot more carbs during the weekend compared to the week. I’m pretty sure I didn’t eat much more than 2000 calories a day during the weekend however, and I worked out every day. My guess is that the high number on the scales reflect the big change from 500 calories to 2000 calories, and that if I don’t give up the weight will go down again. However I will try to eat better this weekend.
Non-fasting days are really much harder than fasting days, especially week-end ones!
At least you learn from your mistakes. On my non-fasting days I really need to work on not mindlessly nibbling away between meals. I don’t want a life without tasty food or regular little indulges but indulging in moderation is hard!
On the bright side the fasting days are going excellent. It’s soon dinner time, I’ve only had a 100 calories and I feel fine. I am planning to save most of my calories for a tasty evening meal.
I hope everyone else is having a great monday, FD or NFD!
@anaide – the whoosh effect piece was fascinating and compelling – thanks for posting
Day 9 SW WA USA FD
Usually do my FDs on a workday but school was just closed due to weather. Will plan to continue with FD anyway. Will get the rest of the Christmas decorations put away.
Roughmatch – welcome. We usually post with the Day (matching the day of the month; not the day we personally started though Fuvvie will note that on the spreadsheet), geographic location & then FD or NFD.
Reading the book is so helpful and it’s in paperback so not too spendy. I found the BBC Youtube video by Dr. Michael Mosley – about 50+ minutes long, very helpful as well.
Wishing everyone well on the journey!
Coda and others
I did notice your well wishes on the December challenge thread and thanks, they were most welcome!
Many posters here have faced or are facing physical challenges (over and above weight loss) and this time it’s my turn to join the ranks. So I won’t be posting much for awhile but I wanted to wish you all Godspeed.
@moth54, all good wishes for a speedy recovery.
@lisa.Alma “Non-fasting days are really much harder than fasting days, especially week-end ones!
At least you learn from your mistakes. On my non-fasting days I really need to work on not mindlessly nibbling away between meals. I don’t want a life without tasty food or regular little indulges but indulging in moderation is hard”
all of that rings SO true for me also
@emilymeg It helps knowing that I’m not the only one! Thanks 🙂
Day 9. Sussex, U.K.
FD. At last, although the day is not over yet. Out of the house all day. Boiled egg and small pat of butter for lunch. Plenty of chewing gum. Flavoured coffee with dash of almond milk and tablespoon of flaxseed at 5.30pm. Well under the 500. So must make it, maybe early bed. Lol
Spent time at library today and thinking about dopamine and serotonin and what foods will help me boost them so I hopefully will lessen the out of control cravings that usually hit as soon as I eat.
Ciren – look back and see how far you have come. Be a bit kinder to yourself, as you are with everyone else. The willpower is going to return. Keep strong. You are worth it. X
Day 9 |FD | Bucks UK
It was my first day back in work since 23rd Dec… even though I woke with that dreaded Monday morning feeling it was good to get back to some kind if routine.
Seems like the whole office is coughing and spluttering like me 😕
I started to feel very strange around lunchtime so ate some fruit which helped to get me through the day.
Hope today’s FD gets rid of the rest of the xmas gain.
@ciren2 sending you some virtual positive vibes. From past experience I know that if my mind wasn’t mentally ready to fast then it just wasn’t happening! The more I forced it, the more I caved and became more disheartened…
Our UK all-day-grey weather doesn’t help our moods and maybe when we get into our spring months it may help? But you will know when you’re ready to start again.. as an experienced faster, please don’t disappear… best wishes x
Day 9, NFD, New Zealand. Still thinking I’m in holiday mode re eating so no way did I eat below my TDEE. Was totally unmindful. And after my holiday gain, my office clothes are definitely feeling a little snug. Which is all the motivation I need.
Day 10, FD, New Zealand. This will be my first FD of 2017. Have started with coffee for breakfast, will drink plenty of water and jasmine tea throughout day to keep hydrated and keep on top of those FD tummy rumbles. (I find it really helps to write down my plans here to keep me accountable) and then eat a 500 cal dinner about 7pm. I’ve got all the ingredients ready in the fridge so no need to get waylaid at the supermarket unnecessarily on the way home tonight.
Here is New York state it is VERY cold (it was close to zero all night — fahrenheit — ) but it is getting sunny which lifts spirits, even in the cold. And it is gorgeous snow cover — sparkly, like crystals lying on the ground.
Day 9, FD.
Ciren2, I’m going to update and respond to other people but wanted to respond to your post first because it is so recent and because I am hearing your desperation so clearly…
First, hang in there. Be as kind to yourself as you can be. You’re trying to do something pretty difficult (change eating habits). you’re doing better than you realize, because you’re in the challenge zone, and it’s hard to challenge ourselves with something new. But you’re doing it! Which tells me you’re brave. Have courage. The root of courage is the word “coeur” meaning “heart.” so take heart: and as Miranda Lambert knows, you need nerve, sure, but you also need heart. You need to have the nerve to keep going. have faith in the LONGER journey, not the short journey of what the scale says today.
Also… I’d say, maybe stop weighing yourself every day. For some people, it’s a help. If it’s really a hindrance, can you give the scale to someone for ten days and let them have it (literally keep it) in their house? Or ask someone who lives with you to hide it? And just let yourself off that hook for a while. maybe later, after you’ve built up some confidence, the scale can be your friend again. But for now, let yourself feel the success of smaller success? Don’t despair. keep going.
@anaide – thanks for the “whoosh effect” link. Interesting. Ciren2, — it may explain a little of what’s going on with your weight/experience.
@bigbooty — thanks for the OH decipher. Another thing that makes me think I’m getting adjusted (in addition to the adjustment my liver has to make) is that this morning (FD), instead of feeling that intense wave of hunger at 10 am (which is the timing on EVERY other FD I’ve experienced), the hunger held off until noon. (and then boy howdy did it come back!!)
But I’m thinking that the two hour delay is in part from two changes I’ve made: one, I delay breakfast until no earlier than 10 am even on NFD. And on FD, obviously, the delay is even longer — I don’t have any real calories until, typically, 7 pm, when I start with a small snack (say, 10 toasted almonds) and then have a small serving of a normal dinner. So, in general, my body should be (and now is, maybe?) much more accustomed to waiting until much later than 7:30 or 8 to have breakfast. Hopefully the intense hunger on FD will get better —
Do people find that their hunger is less intense after repeatedly doing this, or are we all getting some pretty intense hunger pangs at some point during the fast?
2nd post
@ciren2 – sounds like you need to stay with us now more than ever – we are here for each other in good and in hard times. I am holding on to your hand firmly and sending you all the encouragement I can across the web x
@pamelav suggested that you leave the scale alone for a week or two – I would second that and if FDs are a real struggle atm then don’t fast for now but concentrate on mindful eating instead and try to eat to your TDEE daily for a week then revisit how you are feeling.
Here’s one of my motivational quotes just for you:- “When you feel like quitting – Think about why you started”
Day 9 Ireland FD
Weigh inThis morning revealed no change… bleugh… was hopeful for some downward movement as I’m definitely eating less.
However, there have been lots of helpful ideas in everyone’s posts… I especially am holding onto the advice to trust in the fast diet process and to stick with it… and Not to attach too much importance to the scales because weight fluctuations are normal.
So today I had coffee and tea in the morning and then was really hungry at about 2 pm. I had work to do and simply couldn’t concentrate… so what to eat? As I hadn’t planned to eat till dinner time. Everything I thought of would put me over the limit if i also wanted a normal dinner :/ … in the end I chopped up half a cucumber, 2 tomatoes and a small finger of cheese into a bowl. I think that made about 160 cal. Amazingly that was enough and I wasn’t hungry again till dinner… which was dhal with rice. Haven’t accurately worked out the calories, but I think they would be in region of 3-400 calories. So peppermint tea next, and that is it.
Ciren2… do hang on in there, don’t go away! perhaps throw the scales away instead (!)… they are so annoying and can sabotage many a good diet… I know that it takes me ages to lose any weight so I don’t find it helpful to weigh myself too soon when I am trying.
Sarah57 I find my weight can fluctuate by 3-4 lbs in a day ( morning to night time)
About ” nibbling between meals” … doing the FD has revealed to me how often I normally wander into the kitchen for a nibble of something. In fact that is the hardest thing for me to remember is actually NO I can’t just have a biscuit, or piece of chocolate , or cracker or my big weakness.. toast and butter. Yum.
So it’s a NFD tomorrow, so could have a slice of toast and butter for breakfast … but probably won’t want it then!
Bye for now
Jan8: NFD
Jan9: FD
Just checking in as I didn’t yesterday. I had my NFD yesterday and am back to my FD today. I just had my dinner and it came to 519 cal. @fuvvie, I noticed you had taken the effort of adding my steps too. During the weekdays I always do around 14000 steps but on the weekends as I don’t go to work I don’t walk as much but do 20-30 min jog on my treadmill. I didn’t have the chance to do it this weekend just gone as the treadmill was blocked by all the mess the hubby had made in the utility room but will make sure I do it next weekend.
Not sure who it was but I agree with the “whooosh” effect.
Will check back tomorrow, it will be another FD for me.
Keep up the good work everyone! 😊
Day 9 : Cheshire, UK : NFD
@ciren2 please don’t leave us. It’s just a blip. As others have said forget about the scales and be kind to yourself, don’t judge yourself. It helped me to keep posting NFD each day, for almost a month, until something shifted.
Sending a big warm hug xoxo
Day 10 NFD, Melb Australia. 86.6 kg after FD yesterday and hoping most of it stays off!
Have learnt one thing yesterday on my fast day. I don’t drink anywhere near enough water during the day in NFD, so this weeks goal is to keep up the same level of water and other fluids (not coffee/wine) as a FD. Also being back at work will help with the nibbling so I am hoping to see that kg & a bit mostly stay off! Will weigh in again later in the week to see how I’m progressing. When do those who like to weigh themselves weekly weigh in? After a NFD or a FD?
NFD I am allowing myself one or 2 home baked treats (a cookie/ small slice of cake etc ) & still eating a lower cal lunch and dinner. I don’t generally eat breakfast during the week I’ve tried to change that but I just don’t get hungry. At the most I have some fruit around 10-11am. Does anyone else find themselves not really wanting breakfasts?
Day 9 Kent, Uk FD
I weighed myself today (plan to do that every Monday) and had lost a pound so slow going for me but I don’t have much to lose. Know what you mean about it being frustrating and my weight fluctuates from day to day too. When I weighed myself sfter 2 days fasting I had lost 5lbs but its clearly just water. I am trying to focus more on how I feel – and how tight my jeans are!
Managed to get through today ok, with just a miso soup at 2pm, even with a slight hangover but found dinner time and cooking for the family pretty tough and nibbled on salad vegetables. Ate a COOK 290 calorie dinner. Have a few calories left for berries and yogurt. Early bed time to avoid any further consumption!
D7 Auckland NZ
Great to read everybody’s posts and it really is encouraging. I decided that I really wanted to give this a good kick start as I really want to drop a few kg as fast as I can before mid February so decided to do 16:8 for 6 days of the week and relax on the other one. I am also trying to eat healthy and low carbs. I have always eaten breakfast but that is the meal I am now skipping and that seems to work for me as I can keep my motivation up in the morning knowing I have a delicious meal to look forward to at lunchtime. As long as I have planned it I am able to keep on track.
Have lost 2.4kg after my first week so very happy. I know the weight loss will slow down now but looking forward to seeing what the result is next week.
Aussie day 10 Ciren 2 Stick with it I have been up and down and felt like giving up but I reread the posts and decided to keep going you are not alone I keep starting a FD then it turns into a NFD but i know once i get into the swing of this it gets easier.Down 2kilos after yesterdays FD probably a bit of fluid, getting some walking with a few short jogs in on the beach with my little dog.
@pamelav. Give it time, it gets easier. Took me a month before I stopped getting headaches and it took a full six months before it became truly easy (for me). The time may vary for individuals. I read somewhere (cant remember where) that hunger is a learnt response as much as a physiological response to hormone production. I water fast every Monday and have been doing so for about one and a half years. Come Monday morning I no longer wake up with the natural hunger response. My body knows its not getting food on a Monday so my appetite for food is almost non existent on Mondays now. Ghrelin (hunger hormone) I suspect is still being produced but my brain is not reacting to it. You could say Im ghrelin resistant. Don’t get me wrong the feeling is still there but its not overwhelming. Its a bit like having a sore thumb. You know the pains there but its something that’s in the background that is easily ignored.
Short story, it gets easier, just hang tough.
London | Day 9 | NFD (!)
It was meant to be an FD but only got as far as lunch! Quite disappointed with my self. I feel I’m slipping off 🙁 Feeling down and stressed (and eating to match). I need to take small steps – may be do 18:6 or something for couple of weeks until I can haul my backside back on the wagon. I CAN’T let January undo all the good work achieved over December!
Here’s the low-down for day 9:
Breakfast: black coffee
Lunch: Smoked haddock chowder, Kettle’s veg crisps, 3-4 dark chocolate truffles with a cup of tea
Dinner: ‘naked’ (minus the tortilla) burrito with salad (minus rice), grilled beef, black beans and guacamole. Cinnamon sugar pretzel (pretty much undid the goodness of the naked burrito!!!), salted pistachios to snack
With the stress, sugar cravings are playing havoc with my head. The sugar/processed carbs aren’t doing my gut much favours either – feeling bloated, rumbly and gassy etc, not comfortable :-s
Whenever I eat something sweet, I know I’m going to regret it (and sure enough I do), but I still eat it – hence the nature of addiction. Sometimes I’m able to fight it, but most of the times (specially when I’m stressed) I give in.
Rant over. Thank you for listening. Any tips and tricks to ‘break the addiction’ it will be graciously accepted.
I WILL TRY to make tomorrow a fast day – at least for 18 hours starting 9pm tonight.
Second post – @ciren2 – Only just saw your post. I’m holding your ‘virual’ hand here! Let’s give eachother strength… I’m much better at sharing other people’s pain/struggles than coping on my own. ‘Case against sugar’ is very much motivational reading – I’ve only just started on it (the tobacco story is fascinating!). I’m hoping it will help me grab the (sugary) bull by the horns and deal with it :-p
@bigbooty – thank you for your advise – always very sound – but I still haven’t quite got as far as completely cutting out sugar/ processed carbs/ grains etc. Maybe that’s the only way forward for me… Admire your strength.
Day 10 Sydney NFD
Pleased to report a 200 g weight loss on my weekly weigh in this morning. Happy with that as last week was still a holiday week and yesterday my first FD of the year. Feeling motivated to stick with this for a few weeks to lose the 6 – 7 kgs that have crept on in the past few months.
Does anyone else notice that they are not particularly hungry the morning after a fast day? I have my brekkie with me at work but not tempted to eat it yet.
Have a good day everyone.
NYC, Day 9, FD — just some nuts here and there so far.
Back from vacation (Homosassa Florida GREAT PLACE) — lots of fried food. Hard to find much of anything else where we were. Finally back in normal mode. Scale not kind.
And yes, Gary Taubes’ new book is what WE already know. Should be interesting to see how it is received.
Day 10 – Tokyo Japan – FD #4 – 78.8kg
I’m trying to double up this time as I’ll be travelling with family later this week. Not sure if I’ll make it through the day, but by supper time it will be a 48 hour fast if I make it.
At this point my glycogen reserves are very low and my body is forced into burning some fat, so these hours are probably more valuable than the first 24 hours. However I’m feeling a little edgy right now …
I loved the “Eating well is a form of self respect” statement!
@pissupoosa eating a healthy meal like your burrito and then shortly afterwards eating something sugary sounds like something I would do too. I usually cant keep stuff like that in the house at all! But on a fasting day, I dont even think about it because I know it’s off limits.. now I just need to change my thinking/behaviour on non fasting days.. stupid brain.
I really believe the ice cream treat I allowed myself after lunch in the past really prevented me from losing fat. It didn’t matter that the calories fit in the budget, my body didn’t care about my calorie budget. Most of my daily refined sugar was in the treat and when I gave it up I started losing fat. I kept losing fat after even eating more calories but even less added sugar after I made a bunch of small changes in my eating patterns.
In my case it seems I take added sugar and just pad my mid section with fat. That doesn’t seem to happen with whole fruit or even natural sugars in dairy. So while that part of my body doesn’t seem to care about calories it sure does care about where the sugar comes from. When I stuff my oatmeal with fruit to sweeten up I end up creating some gas, when I sweeten the oatmeal with brown sugar I end up packing on fat. So probably my gut bacteria are eating the fructose in the case of the fruit.
@pissupoosa. Don’t get me wrong, I still have the occasional treat but its very occasional. Im of Italian heritage, if I can give up bread and pasta anyone can do it. Whats your main downfall? Pick on one and just try and go cold turkey. Is it sugar in your coffee? A biscuit with your tea? Just pick on one and go cold turkey. Once you’ve nailed that one, pick on the next one to work on. Sugar in my coffee, went from 3 down to 2 to zero. Now if someone puts sugar in my coffee I cant actually drink it, I have to throw it down the sink.
Ciren 2…… Aww, my love, it will get better!
I’ve been there. Here’s some tips that helped me maybe they’ll work in your favor too!
I broke it down into segments….. 1st, decided when to start my fast. 7pm was the magic time…. it took me three days to not eat after 7.
Once I had that down, I worked on when to beak it, noon was my goal. It took me two weeks to make it until noon.
For a whole week, I only did 16:8 fasting, nothing more. Once I felt adjusted, I added another. 100 calories for lunch….
then when I felt good about that I added another thing…. Until I finally did a whole FD without thinking.
Sometimes many of us, jump and expect our first try to be the winner but what we fail to realize is that for every step we take, actually is the winner.
As long as you are attempting, you are winning! We can’t jump to reach our destination, we must walk it step by step!
One more thing…… you already took the hardest step! Admitting you need help, support and love! And no matter what, whether your doing 5:2 or not, we still want you right next to us!
Day 9…. Florida….. FD
Good day! That’s all I can say! It’s been a good day!
Mamacat…… I hate being cold…. once the temp dips down to 75, I’m wearing my winter garments. Yes, In Florida
PamelaV….. Ive been doing this for a while now and honestly, I’m more hungry on NFD then I am FD. I’m not sure if it goes away or if it just becomes the norm and I’m used to it. But I prefer a FD over an NFD, any day of the week!
Pissaupoosa……. here is my trick maybe it will work for you. If I’m craving it, I put a note on it with my name, the date and time. No matter what I want, the note with the date and time tells me when I can have it. Not a day before not even a minute before.
Last night, I put a note on two chocolate chip cookies….. 1/13/2017 @ 6:30 pm.
That when I can have them…..
you see I’m not denying myself just postponing when I can eat them.
Okay, well time to make dinner!
Cheers!
Hello
@sarah57 I think the most important thing if weighing, is to do it at the same time of the day in same clothes (or not) and don’t get too hung up on them, they are an indication only, not the be all!
Any of our newbies take a photo of themselves when starting this WOL? They are for your eyes only but useful to see the changes taking place. You may be sorry you didn’t.
@moth I wish you well and hope the stressful event resolves. Please drop in and say hello or if you ever feel like talking you know where we are.
@fuvvie you have such a job managing that spread sheet – super job and well done.
@Ciren my friend what am I going to do with you lol? I ditto all that has been said by our other friends and something I have said to you before – you are too hard on yourself. The story I told about the mountain that I climbed? You have just climbed your own mountain. You enjoyed the view so much you never wanted to leave. But you worried and fretted that you slipped and yes you did slip a bit back down the mountain but not that far. when you stand up you can see how far you have come. So what do you do. You start a make the short journey back to the top. But befote you do look around, rest a while, get yourself together. stop trying fast days and beating yourself up. Have a few days at you TDEE then when the time is right hold our hands to help and make your way to the top. You are NOT to leave this thread. I would have to borrow my big stick from Fuvvie and come after you. Look at what you started here? The pocketeers – all for one and one for all! lol. Hugs x
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