what is it about ME?

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  • I am a 27 year old physiotherapist. (admittedly not active but not sedentary)i have spent the past 10 years dieting.

    I have been on this plan for 5 weeks now. I have done everything i can see to do.
    i was doing some 12 hr fasts but for 3/5 weeks i have soldiered on the full 36 hrs.

    I have calculated my TDEE 1842 (thats accounting for me being sedentary to be careful)

    and in all these weeks i have lost NOTHING!!!!! (hustband doing the same has lost nearly a stone!)

    on this happy friday i really could throw my computer against the wall. Ahain i am just left thinking why ME, whats wrong with ME?

    what i am asking really is:

    1.why should some poeple have to exercise more than others? the plan should work without an increase in exercise. yes but slower but it should still do SOMETHING!

    2.is there any less effect for serial dieters? have i done something long term to my metabolism.

    3. should your fasrt days REALLY be adjusted for your TDEE. ie 25% of that.

    I have taken measurements and have a body fat calculator. (adding to the depression as it says 41% (10% over obease for a woman and im a size 12!!)

    please someone help me. i dont want to give up. but i need to see something changing! or else what is the point? the fast days are bloody hard to be getting nothing(evident)back!

    Laureyjo, in your previous posting you stated that you were doing 24 hour fasts, now it is only 12 hours?
    To make it clear: 12 hours is the time from dinner to breakfast next morning, basically a good night’s sleep. It is not a fast.

    Do you log all your food? Do you weigh and measure, on fast days definitely but also on other days? Do you have an overview what and how much you are eating? In your other thread you mention going out for dinner and treats. Could it be that you have no idea how much you are actually eating? It is very easy to underestimate the amounts of food on a plate or forget to take the bottles of wine into consideration.

    All I can suggest at present is that you log all food for a while so you get an idea what and how much you eat. Don’t forget drinks, they count as well. Once you’ve done that you might be able to spot the problem.

    No I was doing some 24hr fasts as in the 2pm-2pm model in the book and consuming 500kcals within that time. I am now doing 36hrs again with a total of 500cals. So morning to morning.

    I may have previously been eating too much and thinking I could get away with more on my non fast days than is true but I have how been following my TDEE and 36 hr fasts (500cals) and still no success!

    Laureyjo: “No I was doing some 24hr fasts as in the 2pm-2pm model in the book and consuming 500kcals within that time.”
    Simcoeluv explained some of the problems with eating 500 kcal in 24 hours and “normal” amounts before and after in your other thread. You might want to read his answers. Morning to morning is only 24 hours, by the way, not 36.
    It is also not what you wrote in your first post in this thread. Your said “i was doing some 12 hr fasts…”

    In both threads you have been asked about food logging but you avoid clear answers. Overall, you come across as pretty muddled about your diet and fasting.

    My impression is more and more that you are doing something else but not 5:2.
    Of course you can continue with that and then blame the diet, but unless you start to be honest with yourself you will not achieve the weight loss regardless of the method you try.
    Until you come clear and give us some hard information nobody here can point you in the right direction. So why not be honest with yourself and us; keep a food diary for a week, weigh and measure everything. Tell us about the time you eat on the day before the fast, the day after and during the fast day, how much you eat for each meal or snack; that way we finally know what you are doing and might be able to help you.

    Laureyjo, the sad truth may be that the TDEE calculator has given you a number that is actually too high for you personally, if you’re sticking to less than 1840 calories on non-fast days and not losing; it’s only an average, everyone is an individual, and different TDEE calculators come up with different numbers. I’m sure that the one on this site comes up with a number that’s too high for me, so I use the number for one activity level lower than what I think I qualify for.

    12 hrs was a mistype.

    I don’t eat overnight so my fast starts after dinner one night and I only consume 500kcals between then (say 8pm on a Monday evening until 8am on the Wednesday morning).

    What I was trying to say is I am not stupid, I am not new to calorie counting. Since I did my TDEE I am not exceeding that on non fast days. And I am eating 500 cals on a fast day. (Loosely 36hrs)

    I am doing the 5:2!

    What is also worth reading for those who don’t understand what I’m saying is that there is a school of thought for fasting for 24hrs (2pm one day until 2pm the next day) this is in the official book.

    Afterall there are 7 24hr units in a week so to eat 500 cals on two 24hrs periods would reflect a true 5:2 pattern.

    So the fact is: I’m doing it properly. Even since doing the 36hrs as Michael himself does….. And it’s STILL not working!

    Thanks franfit. That already is my calculation for the lowest activity level and I’m definitely not totally sedentary. The only thing left to do is increase activity a lot but it’s very disappointing to find that it’s not even working slowly for me without doing that.

    I now still feel like I’m calorie counting all the time. I didn’t intend to binge on non fast days but it does still feel like calorie counting 7:7 not 2:7 which was the reason I changed from slimming world.

    I can’t help but feel if I give up I’m turning my back on lots of potential health benefits. Are there other ways to see quantifiable improvements in health. (Keeping in mind that my body fat percentage (of 41%) has gone up!!! And my measurements are not changing either) it’s only human to need quantifiable changes to continue.

    I do realise how stupid this sounds! If it was as simple as I’m eating too much I wouldn’t be asking for help.i could see that myself using a food diary. Im following the plan and it’s not working for me.

    Wow Dummerchen, don’t be so mean! The woman knows what she’s doing!

    I would say keep at it Laureyjo and try and eat healthy on your non-fast days and if it still isn’t working in a month, try something else! The truth is everyone’s body is different and responds in different ways so maybe this just isn’t for you. Good luck! x

    Thank you for the support. X

    Sorry for jumping in so late, but could we have some more details please? How much do you want to lose? Instead of going entirely by the scale, did you take tape measurements?

    I know you might lose patience, but sometimes it takes a bit more time to show on the scale! Also if you haven’t got to lose much, it takes longer.

    You might want to stir things up by perhaps doing ADF for a week or by perhaps introducing some exercise? I hit a plateau at some point and nothing happened and the above helped.

    I know logging food is a pain, but it did help me. Myfitnesspal is a great app that even includes a scanner! It was easy for me to underestimate the calories from quite a few items, such as innocent looking cookies! Also do you log the calories from drinks?

    I hope it changes for you as I understand your frustration.

    Best wishes
    Stef.

    amzta, I’m not mean. But pussy footing around does not help, and if someone is now in their second thread crying for help, they need to come clean. No information, no help.

    I’m out.

    Hi yes I took measurements. Only the other day though to attempt to give me something to go on as scales not showing.

    I am 12st 3lb in the mornings and want to be 11st as my BMI is high. I am only a size 12/14 and I’m 5ft8″ but considering by bodyfat is 41% (which is 10% over obese levels) I would assume I have lots to lose. I’m a bit depressed about where that is though as I would consider myself distinctly average sized.

    I will write things down as discussed. I am confident in my knowlege to tally things up from years of practice but you re right, the odd thing can be missed.

    I have considered ADF, it’s just you can imagin my reluctance when the misery of 2 is already hard enough. I have also considered doing my 2 fast days and following the slimming world plan the other 5. This seems a dodgy plan though.

    I just want it to work as it does for normal people. Hence the title why me?! It’s very frustrating being someone the normal rules don’t seem to work for.especially with a just and a stone lighter by my side! X

    A husband a stone lighter that was supposed to read. X

    Good! I’m glad your out. Maybe consider there are people doing it right and asking for help because the norm isn’t working. They don’t need people being cheeky!

    On fast days I eat nothing from 8pm the night before until lunch when I have porridge (120cal sachet when made up) or 3 krispbread crackers with a cheese spread triangle (100cals total) I have lots of sugar free jelly and some carrot sticks.(100cals total for carrot sticks which I nibble throughout the day) and 10cald a for the jelly.

    I then half a chicken breast and a stirfry vegetable pack with my husband (200cals approximately) or a large salad with half a can if drained brine tuna and lime juice. (Same)

    I have a 38cal hot choc before bed and lots of fruit tea and water throughout the day.

    On my non fast days I eat what and when I want but keep the total below by TDEE of 1842 cals.

    Laureyjo,

    If it’s any consolation, I too have asked the same question. The sad answer is some of us are born weird! We do everything right, as you appear to be doing, but seem to get nowhere fast. Maybe it’s a design fault. Maybe we came off the production line late on Friday afternoon when everyone was just dying to get away for the weekend. 🙂

    HOWEVER, after taking 6 months to lose 12 lbs and then getting stuck on a plateau for 5, I have in 15 months lost around 30 lbs, not counting 4-5 lbs lost without even trying when I was finally taken off the beastly steroids I was prescribed to treat polymyalgia. That was before I started 5:2. I’m a hell of a lot older and am, or at least was, a hell of a lot fatter than you. I’m now within 20lbs of home, which is a miracle.

    All I can say is hang on in there. You haven’t a huge amount to lose compared with some of us, which suggests to me that you were already eating healthily. I think it’s fair to say that results are far less spectacular for those who were already eating the right things, rather than those who were previously putting away lots of sugary, fatty stuff.

    So don’t despair. You will get there in the end. It may just take a wee bit longer than you would have liked. And don’t let judgemental smart-arses get to you.

    Ha! Thanks you for your lovely supportive post. I was looking for reassurance that people in the same boat did get results in the end.

    Happy Friday! X

    You’re welcome. BTW I recognise the 3 crispbreads + cheese triangle = 100 cal routine.

    It also reminds me that when I was working in Paris in my misspent youth I had a boyfriend who was part of the Vache Qui Rit sales team and we used to drive around the city in a van with a great grinning cow on the side. Happy days!

    Laureyjo, it is still possible that the TDEE calculator is giving you too high a TDEE number, because it’s only an average and everyone is different. I’ve lost 38 pounds, have 9-14 more to lose, and those are starting to seem a bit harder to shift, I have to push my walking and have added an 800 calorie “half-fasting day” to my week because I’m eager to get to my goal. But I’m pretty sure that I eat significantly under the number that the TDEE calculator gives me on most of my non-fasting days. I just know from experience that I would gain weight on the number it gives me.

    Laureyjo, as for seeing other quantifiable benefits for health, I think the main way to to get your blood work done. Are you sure your body fat percent is really 41%? Somehow that sounds like a lot to me at your height and weight. Was it an actual measurement or just a calculation? On another thread recently someone posted an interesting equation for calculating body fat, I’ll look for it if you want it and haven’t seen it, although I’m sure it underestimated mine because I’m (at this point) relatively low BMI but not fit (medical problems get in my way there). I’m sorry you’re finding the fast days to be such a misery. With time, most of us find them reasonably comfortable most of the time. Some people even enjoy and look forward to them. Although I had a super hungry one on Wednesday, today’s is going fine. I think you might have success with this in the long run if you can figure out what adjustments you need to make to make it work for you. I think a lot of us have to make some adjustments to it from time to time, for varying reasons.

    Sounds like you are doing everything right, the only things I would suggest are:

    – maybe try and get more of your calories from unprocessed foods, eg. switch the crackers and cheese for a big bowl of homemade veggie soup

    – make sure you’re taking a good multi vitamin, at least for a while to ensure your body is getting what it needs nutritionally

    – try and raise your exercise slightly, even a short walk every day, or every second day

    – make sure you’re getting lots of water

    – make sure you’re getting enough sleep

    – if you’re stressed this could be preventing weight loss

    – if your TDEE is around 1800 then 500cals on fast days is a little too high, it should be 1/4 of your TDEE

    – give your body time to reset, if you’ve been dieting for years it could take a while to see changes

    Good luck 🙂

    I wouldn’t give up. For more than a week ! I mean to say rather than stress out, do as you have done here and seek support. Thyroid issues can sometimes cause frustration with dieting too. I’m not qualified to give any professional or clinical advice. Just out of curiosity may I ask how much leafy greens you eat, and specifically if you’re eating spinach?

    Something I missed for years and years and years is how fruits and vegetables are mostly carbs. So I was over eating carbs by easily having 3-4 carb portions on every plate . Vegetables, plus a starch pasta, plus a fruity dessert , and a sugary drink. I just didn’t realize It was almost all carbs. Even though I was tryi g to be low fat, I was actually on high calorie diet! What’s worse was the poor nutrition value meant I would still crave foods. I started taking multi vitamin supplement, and taking notice of my carbs. Which were just starchy like potatoes , and replacing them with lower glycemic vegetables. Well not all the time, but I stopped buying the starchy stuff with every trip to the store and decided to skip the bread isle a buy something in the vegetable area instead.

    I’d agree about the carbs. For years now, I haven’t been able to eat breakfast. I’ve occasionally tried, especially on holiday, but ended up feeling so sick I’ve had to go back to bed for the rest of the day.

    All of a sudden a couple of months back, the same syndrome extended to lunch – salad or soup on fast days, and usually a sandwich, ciabatta roll or panini with a lean protein and salad filling on non fast days. I found sandwiches etc sick-making.

    Since then I just have the filling without the bread, which works well on fast or non-fast days. I roll the filling up in a large lettuce leaf instead to make a low-cal, low-carb wrap. This has meant a considerable drop in carb intake and the weight loss has continued slowly but surely. Worth considering.

    I think there are a few people for whom it just doesn’t work. It’s not fair to assume that you must be lying or doing it wrong.

    Do you drink diet sodas or use artificial sweeteners? There is some evidence that they can make our bodies resistant to losing weight.

    On the other hand, is it possible that your body is at what is a healthy weight for you? Your bmi is 26 by my calculations. It’s true that the charts consider that overweight, but they were revised several years ago, with some lobbying by the weight loss industry, and the normal range used to go up to 27.5, which you are well within. If you can’t lose weight without extreme measures, that may be a sign you are where you should be.

    And finally, how do you know your body fat percentage is 41%? Unless you’ve had it professionally measured it is likely not accurate at all. Those body fat scales are not accurate.

    Hi.
    Just a thought. I have been reasonably successful on 5:2 for the last 18 months but my wife struggled. However, as it turned out, she had a severely under-active thyroid. The doctor thought that she should have been putting a lot of weight on – considering just how bad it was. Once things are stable, she’ll have another go at 5:2 – although she is now loosing a bit of weight anyway.

    Don’t want to worry you or anything, but you might want to consider if you are getting any of the symptoms – it seems to be reasonably common and easily treatable.

    Just want to say Hi Laureyjo, thanks for posting this. I’m a newbie here but have tried the 5:2 before and struggled to lose weight on it. I’m about to start again (tomorrow is Day 1!) so I’ll see how I do. What I’ve wondered is whether I wasn’t eating enough on my non-fast days when I tried it before, and I wonder whether this might be the same for you? Good luck – I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you that it starts to come off!

    If you’re not losing weight, then you’re eating too much. So, you’ll have to find a way to eat less. I’ve gone to 4:3 when I’ve plateaued, or I’ve combined 5:2 with fasting until 5pm on non-fast days. I’ve also done a few 4 day in a row fast days. I don’t count calories on non-fast days because it’s just too hard to be accurate and I worry about slowing my metabolism. And I try to eat high fiber on non-fast days to help avoid gorging. I also only eat about 300 calories on fast days (only vegetables) to make sure I’m really fasting. I’ve lost more than 60 lbs. and now I’m just maintaining, but still doing everything, just a bit less assiduously than before. It’s not easy for me, but it’s doable.

    I’ve been doing 5-2 for 6 weeks and although I can now get into clothes that were tight before which feels good I’ve only lost 2lb and on the bits of me I measured not many inches. Are you still trying 5-2 and has it got any better for you??

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