What else can i do?

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  • Hi Michael,

    I have been on 5:2 fast diet almost 7 weeks now but I am not losing any weight, I don’t know to give up or not. I need to lose 10 pound but seems like I cant do it even I did fast Mon-wed- fri past 3 weeks.I do eat about 400 calories on my fast day so no breakfast no lunch plenty black tea until 6pm then 400 calories until next morning around 9 am.I am not big eater on nonfast days either.So I really don’t know what to do any suggestion? My week looks like this,
    Sunday 6:00 pm last meal until
    Monday 6:00 pm 400 calories dinner nothing else until
    Tuesday 7:00am coffee with milk then normal day 6:00 pm last meal
    Wednesday 6″00 pm 400 calories dinner nothing else until
    Thursday 7:00am coffee with milk then normal day 6:00 pm last meal
    Friday 7:00am coffee with milk then normal day 6:00 pm last meal
    Saturday and Sunday normal meals
    I am not having lattes or fruit juice I only use fat free milk for my coffee without sugar
    Am I doing anything wrong, because I am not losing any weight.Iam 5″2 tall, 130 pounds and age 45.I have no medical cond.

    As others have suggested in various posts, did you try adding exercise – like walking 10,000 steps or running?

    All the best.

    Hi Sivasankar,
    Thank you for reply .I am very active person , but still I am not losing not even 1 pound.
    I hope Dr Michael will reply to my post because I need help with this..

    My take on this is that anyone on the Fast Diet should lose weight **compared to what they would have been**. That means that if my weight is steady, I’ll lose weight, and if I’m actively putting on weight, then I’ll put on less (which may appear as staying the same).

    So my question would be, how much are you eating on normal days? You can work out your rough Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) eg at http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html – are you eating more than that on normal days? Good to be clear, and if you are, you can either reduce that, or add exercise (always easier to eat less?…). Or stop fasting, and weigh yourself for a week or two, see if you are going up?

    Hi Iceskater,

    My TDEE around 1420 calories and believe me I do not eat that much calories on normal days.I did not put on weight past 7 weeks. I really don’t know what to do any more.

    How much plain simple water are you drinking? I’ve found whatever diet I’ve tried it’s much more effective if I’m not dehydrated and drink plenty (1.5 litres) of water in addition to anything else I drink.

    Hello, owen888 – From the statistics you’ve given, it looks to me like you might be starving yourself, causing your metabolism to slow right down, as your body tries to survive the famine it’s experiencing by hanging on to every fat reserve it can manage to keep. So, maybe you’re not eating enough!
    I would check your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) figure, which seems very low to me. I’ve just put your figures into one online calculator at random (http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html) and, assuming you are male and only on their lowest activity level – i.e. ‘Little or no exercise (ex: desk job)’ – the figure they give is 1628cals. So, that would represent your appropriate intake for a non-fast day, with 25%, for a fast day, being 407cals. However, if your activity is more like ‘Light exercise (ex: exercising 1-3 days/week)’ then their figure goes up to 1866cals, with 25% being 466cals. (If, in fact, you are female, their figures still never go below 1553cals, even at the lowest activity level.)
    As these online TDEE calculators do vary, it can be a good idea to average out the results from maybe three different websites to get a more reasonable figure. (Don’t forget, too, that you need to input your current weight rather than any goal weight, because the calculator doesn’t understand that you are already planning to do the 2 or 3 fast days and it can’t make those adjustments itself.)
    I do wonder, also, whether you came to the 5:2 Diet having already used another weight-loss system recently? As you say, you don’t have a huge amount of weight to lose. If you have already been restricting your calories then: a) that’s another reason why your metabolism would be very slow; and b) the last few pounds is always slower to move than the first losses were, whatever system you use.
    To be honest, my thoughts are ‘Take a break. Relax the dieting for a short while, to let your body settle into a more reasonable, healthy intake, and, then, when you feel ready, perhaps try the fasting scheme again, starting with the gentler 5:2 programme rather than 4:3 or anything more intense and see how it goes. This might not be what you want to hear, I know, and, of course, you’re free to choose whatever you feel is right for you. I wish you well in achieving your aims.

    Hi SueWR,
    I do drink plenty water ,thanks for your reply..

    Hi Jeanius,

    Thank you very much for your reply,

    I think you might be right because I was thinking maybe I am not eating enough. I am female and when I calculate my TDEE IS 1420 TO 1536.like I said I am not big eater because I have gerd not all the food goes with my stomach well. Yes this week will be my last week like you said I need a break and then I will start again.Next week I will eat every 3 hours maybe it will help with my metabolism.

    Hello again, owen888 – Snap! I too am a GERD (or GORD**) sufferer, although this is my first time of identifying myself in that way (rather than just saying ‘I have acid-reflux’). Your most recent comment, combined with an upsurge of my symptoms, have prompted me to research the condition and take it more seriously, so many thanks for that.
    Since starting the 5:2 approach in late Jan ’13, I have lost 28lb (down to 11st 1lb/ 155lb/ 70.3kg) but only after some cost to my gullet and much experimentation around how best to balance symptoms and recommended 5:2 timings.
    I would like us to ‘compare notes’, so to speak, on our progress and best practice. (If you want more details of my situation click on my forum name, then ‘Replies Created’ and find my most biographical comment: 16 May at 9.52pm.)
    I wish you well in your efforts and I hope you stay in touch here.
    [**Gastro-oesophageal reflux disease]

    Hi owen888,

    You say, “I am 5″2 tall, 130 pounds and age 45,” and that you want to loose 10 lbs.

    I may be wrong, but I think the 5:2 and perhaps most diets, are aimed at tummy weight. (My extra weight is all around my mid-section, no place else.) Is that where your extra weight is?

    It’s a good idea to eat enough so that you avoid the starvation/famine effect, and very important that you come to a plan that is sustainable.

    According to the British Heart Foundation BMI calculator owen888, you have a BMI of 22 which is in the middle of the healthy weight band. Why do you want to lose 10lb?

    Hi annette52,
    Thanks for reply because I have a Gerd less weight less pain for me , that’s why I would like to lose.

    Hi Bull City,
    Thanks for reply,Yes my extra weight is all around my mid section as well.

    Hi Jeanius,
    I could control my Gerd very well because I have it past 10 years.I don’t know what you use but I rather not to use medicine very long time so I use natural medicine and it does works very well.
    Gerd with 5:2 sometimes I have pain because empty tummy but not very often. Like I said before this week will be my last since I haven’t lost not even a pound.
    All the best.

    Hello, owen888 – I would love to hear more about the natural medicines you use to control your symptoms. I am on high, long-term doses of a PPI (proton pump inhibitor) and an H2 receptor blocker – i.e. both sorts of stomach-acid reducers – but I really don’t want to continue on these drugs if there is a viable alternative.
    I know internal abdomen-fat is not good news for health but I do wonder how much extra pain relief you will get if you are already well within the healthy weight limits. Has any gastro-specialist recommended a still-lower weight for you than you are now? But, then, you perhaps already have no confidence in conventional medicine – understandably so. Of course, you know your situation better than anyone else. I trust you will do the right things for yourself. I would appreciate your advice.

    Hi Jeanius,
    I read your posts with interest – I too have GERD. It’s strange…I had symptoms on and off for the last 5 years, but not so bad that I had to take PPIs on a regular basis. Since starting the fast diet in March I’ve lost 15 pounds, but my acid reflux has become worse than ever! I would have expected the opposite, but I now have to take PPIs every day.
    I noticed it the third week in to the diet. My fast days were great – no acid, but I had bad symptoms on feed days.
    Have you talked to your doctor about it? Is your experience similar to mine? My gastroenterologist could not answer my question as to why it got worse after going on the diet – not much fasting done here in the states, so doctors don’t know the physiology behind it. I’m a 47 yo female, 5’4″, and weigh 140.

    Hi Jeanius and juliesawitzke,

    I have had Gerd for the past 10 years. My gastroenterologist did warn me about PPI long time ago he said if I keep taking them end of the day it will make me cancer. So I wont take them every day only I did need them when I had bad ulcer. Natural medicine I am taking are DGL(JUST BEFORE BED), slippery elm bark(IF I NEED IT), probiotic(EVERY NIGHT AFTER DINNER).
    Fast diet did not go with my GERD either but Slippery Elm Bark helps great.
    Jeanius like I said before I gave up this diet for a while but I will be back soon

    I hope Dr Michael will reply to my post soon I am still waiting…

    Thanks for the info, owen888. What is DGL? I will try the slippery elm bark. I don’t like taking PPIs every day – I am trying to taper off now but I am worried about feeling the acid again. I am very very curious about why fasting makes acid reflux worse. I thought losing weight would help with gerd, but it’s gotten worse. But I only have the acid stomach on feast days, not fast days.

    Many thanks, owen888 – I really appreciate your information. Until I read your contributions here, it never occurred to me there was any alternative to acid-suppressants so I didn’t even look. Now I have been looking everywhere and am very busy, finding new solutions. Your advice will really help.
    It seems that deficiency in vitamin B12 is a serious, undiagnosed problem for many people, especially older people, vegetarians and those on long-term acid suppressants (i.e. me, on all three counts).
    I have just watched this American documentary about it on YouTube – ‘Diagnosing and Treating Vitamin B12 Deficiency’:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvEizypoyO0&feature=related

    I wish you great good health and well-being – and I look forward to hearing more news of you when you feel ready.

    Hello, Julie (juliesawitske) – DGL is a licorice herbal supplement – perhaps check it out online. This is a brief description from Wikipedia:
    ‘Deglycyrrhizinated licorice, also known as de-glycyrrhizinated licorice, or commonly referred to by the acronym DGL, is an herbal supplement typically used in the treatment of gastric and duodenal ulcers. It is made from licorice from which the glycyrrhizin has been removed. Glycyrrhizin is known to cause negative side effects, such as hypertension and edema; removing the glycyrrhizin is meant to avoid these symptoms.’
    My apologies for not responding fully to your comments so far – as I’ve just said to owen888, I’m engrossed at present, researching some new leads about my own health issues. I hope to get back to contributing more soon. Best wishes.

    Owen888 said: “I hope Dr Michael will reply to my post soon I am still waiting…”
    Hmm, good luck with your wait for a reply from DrM…I’m still waiting for a medical reply to my question about high blood pressure increasing which I posted days ago…I don’t think anyone bothers to check for posts that need medical input so it’s just luck if you get a reply!

    Caroline, my husband had borderline high blood pressure when he started the fast diet. For the first few weeks his BP would be even higher when taken on fast days, then back to borderline on feast days. But gradually over the next couple of months his BP has come down considerably, and he is consistently getting readings of 115/68 or lower. I don’t know why BP rises at the beginning of a fasting diet, and why it is higher on fast days – I read from one source that it rises temporarily while your body is cleaning out the junk out of your arteries, but don’t know how reliable that info is. It makes sense though….if your body is in a fasted state it will look to fat for fuel, and that stuff clogging your arteries is composed of fat (among other things), and why wouldn’t it use that for fuel?
    What was your question about BP to Dr.M?

    Here is the thread about hypertension: http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/hypertension-htn-or-high-blood-pressure-and-fastdiet/
    Two of us with unanswered queries!

    Hi owen888,

    The TDEE range you quoted is for a 5′ 2″ 130 pound 45 yo female who does “little or no” exercise. See http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm and put in your statistics, set exercise level to little/no exercise then click on the advanced button and look at the maintenance figures using the Mifflin-St Jeor formula – 1427 – and the Harris-Benedict formula – 1561. This is the range you gave.
    If you are very active, you need to factor in your exercise as well to get a more accurate figure. If you find eating difficult then perhaps this isn’t the right diet for you. After all, you said you are lucky to be able to eat 1420 cals per day – this intake, plus exercise, should see you shift those last 10 pounds. After all, this diet is touted as a “food-lovers” diet :).

    Hope this helps – good luck.

    I agree with those who say you are likely not getting enough energy from your diet, and that your metabolism has therefore slowed. It’s not at all clear that losing ten more pounds from an already-normal BMI–especially if your metabolism has slowed in order to defend this weight–is going to change your GERD symptoms.

    Have you measured your waist size? A waist size less than half your height, and a waist to hip ratio of less than .85 for women, is considered ideal. It’s not at all clear that losing weight below that has any health benefits.

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