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  • LJ. One pound above original goal. Should hit it tomorrow although cauliflower cheese tonight may slow things down.

    Thinatlast. It is counter intuitive but I find total fasting easier than low cal days and day two easier than day one. The village pub is dangerous. It is full of good local beer and home cooked food. Noon will be a boiled egg and a small piece of bread.

    House refurb finished. Garage sorting out today. I have just given to my neighbour a diver’s dry suit that has been in a box for 20 years. He wants it for recovering balls from a pond at his golf club. Next is my son’s caving kit which doesn’t get used anymore.

    Cali, I love Dubai. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been there, double digits. Yes I’ve been up the tallest building, the Burj Khalifa. Just amazing and the elevator is so fast it blows your mind. I’ve rented apartments several times and travelled around on the metro. Most times I’ve been on my own so it gets a bit lonely not having anyone to share it with but I always feel completely safe even walking around at night.

    This time I will have a friend with me and again I have rented an apartment and look forward to showing her another side of Dubai. We have been there together before but only in hotels and always closer to the city. We are also going to have high tea at the Burj Al Arab which is an experience in itself. They sprinkle your cappuccino with gold dust.

    CalifD, I read your link about the whoosh effect with great interest and OH and I had a discussion about it on our way home tonight. It seems to answer some questions about the “plateau” and I thought if people understood it they would not loose motivation and keep going.
    The food platters looked just wonderful. I love salmon, either cooked, sashimi or the finnish salted/dill raw salmon my cousin makes, I just dont seem to like smoked salmon though.
    I have purple carrots in my vegie patch as well as the normal orange ones. Carrots seem to take longer beore harvesting than the other vegies do.
    I made a platter on Sunday for lunch. It included almonds.dried apricots and other nibbles that I bought from Coles. Then camembert, colby, danish harvatti and swiss cheese with gluten free wafers, water crackers and hommus chips with a couple of gluten free dips to go with it. We also had cooked chicken pieces and a salad. All this on a large timber platter made in the Barossa by the disabled. It is a great platter and a good reason to buy one.
    That is me for today, good night all…….good morning for those just arising!!

    Julie, that platter sounds really good. I’ve used similar ingredients in some of my other platters. The timber platter sounds interesting. Do you have a picture of it or a link? It’s interesting that you, thin and I all do platters. I wish we had another place to share pictures of them. Looking at them does make you hungry. On a FD that could push someone over the top.

    Good morning all and welcome to the forum Arelkade. Well I’ve cracked the 63’s and this morning weighted in at 62.9kg – yay. My monthly waist measuring has also seen a decrease of 3cm from last month – another yay.

    A few months ago i came across a beautiful black mini skirt when sorting through a crate of old favourite clothes that I’d had stored in the shed. It was my favorite item of clothing in my late teens (30 years ago now) and I couldn’t bear to get rid of it. Tried it on yesterday and it fits like a glove…. woohoo. I was ecstatic to say the least. And it looked good on me too so another woohoo.

    This morning was looking at my weight loss chart on my fitbit app for the last 9 months. Very interesting to see the flow of weight loss, plateaus, small weight gains. The cycle was almost pattern like which I guess is the body getting used to a routine and then shaking up the routine a little to get through a plateau. I think it was ljoyce who commented once that we need to have some variation at times to trick the metabolism out of a plateau. Ljoyce please correct me if I havent relayed your past comment accurately.

    Well lots of yays and woohoo’s for me today. Its great that we can ‘toot our own horn’ on this forum without feeling like a total wally (Aussie speak for idiot).

    All else is going well in life. My new man is turning out to be more and more amazing each day….yeah yeah I know I’m all starry eyed and all that lovey dovey stuff but gee I’m so damn happy!! MissD has had a string of friends over all week for school holiday fun. Weather has been mid 30’s so water balloon fights have been the flavour of the week.

    Time to go and get stuck into some household chores. Cheers for now everyone

    GDay. Teenager’s black mini-skirt, new man , lots of yays – sounds like you are enjoying life. Go for it. That “I can get into it moment” is one to savour. I have a pair of uniform pants from 35 years ago. I will never wear them in public, but I keep them as a target. Very nearly there.

    Wally works in UK as well. We have just had the annual conferences of our political parties and I think we may have more than our share of them

    Good morning everyone.

    Welcome Arelkade! What brought you to 5:2? Very glad to have you here!

    That black skirt sounds gorgeous Gday!

    Cheers Penguin, you are getting close to wearing your vintage uniform pants! It must feel great to have the house sorted, good luck for the garage!

    Watch out Dubai! Intesha is coming!

    Love the salad platters!
    My mum made one with iceberg lettuce, wedges of tomato, slices of cucumber, sticks of celery, cubes of kraft cheddar and no dressing. Luncheon meat (processed), sometimes kabana. 1960’s.

    Thin I hope your fast day got you nicely back into your happy range. I am fasting today…. except I forgot I had organised to have lunch with a friend! After a bit of thought I’ll just make the most of it. She is making broccoli soup for lunch, and said it is a healthy version, so even though it won’t be a Fasty McFast Day, it should be okay for maintenance.

    Cali did you see that a baby echidna is called a puggle? I do love echidnas.

    JJulie I am glad you were able to have that lovely chicken curry. A fast day will balance it out!

    LJoyce, hoping you are right and that it wasn’t a bad reaction to your treatment this time.

    Joffy, so good to hear from you and, can you believe it, I guessed right for your fast day food!
    Glad you are feeling good and enjoying your new clothes. It must be what my Buddhist friend calls ‘the space between the breaths’ as you settle at 107 before the next step down.

    Lindsay you are right those little ones are so lovely, and they do love their grandparents! Is your colonoscopy tomorrow? I will send special good wishes that it goes well and is helpful for your health.
    If it is too hard to fit in another fast day on Friday, don’t worry, you are on the right track and you will get to your healthy weight anyway. Chocolate buttons were just a blip.

    I’ve also got a health thing coming up. I’m organised to have a lung biopsy on Tuesday to see what the ‘thing’ in my lung is. It is a mass but it doesn’t have the signs of a typical cancer so I am very much hoping it isn’t cancer at all. It hasn’t changed since they first noticed it in June (no xray before that), it is an odd shape and it wasn’t at all warm under the PET scan. They are going to check it out by a tube down my throat! I’ll be home the same day. Should it be something they need to remove it is operable, they have seen it early. Otherwise they will keep an eye on it for three years and if it does nothing in that time they will figure it is safe. Fingers crossed.
    I am a good candidate for surgery. Very glad I haven’t got those 30 extra kg any more! Thanks 5:2!

    It is warm and grey in Melbourne, best wishes everyone for a good day.

    Cinque, you have thoughtfully summarised and responded to everyone’s posts leaving me to just say ‘ditto that’. It was an upbeat morning for post reading and I’m up early to take OH into hospital for some orthopaedic surgery. Nothing too major. His primary concern is not the anaesthetic but how much food he could get in before the fasting deadline of 6am. I am just savouring a lovely frothy coffee with beans from Melbourne. Yes, thanks I am back to the lower end of my short weight range – just in time for the drive out to the winery at the weekend where I may well unravel.

    Cinque, although you are characteristically upbeat about your condition, I felt concern for you while reading it. I wish you all the best with the diagnostic testing on Tuesday. When will the results be revealed? How did you know there was cause for an x-ray? I hope there is someone taking good care of you. Sending big hugs your way.

    Good morning everyone,

    Well this morning I woke up feeling lighter but the scales said I was still the same. Must be all that water filling up my fat cells!!! Anyhow decided to make minestrone soup for today’s fast and OH told me it smelt good. (he loves minestrone) I put in the beans and used a vegetable base stock with a can of crushed tomatoes (checking they were not high in calories due to sugar) celery, leek and diced carrot and two snake beans which were the first picked from my garden. I dont want to put pasta in it so thought of konyaku and wished they made it in macaroni shapes. We decided to use the block konyaku and dice it so we will see how that goes. I have to go to the shop to get a zucchini to add to it and am thinking of what else?

    Does anyone know much about the gluten free pastas? I am wondering if they are better to use for this type of soup.

    CalifD, I will take a photo of my platter and post the link to it. The only way I know to do this is by facebook link. I did try to find a photo of it on the website for the place that makes them but they dont seem to advertise them. This was a gift from my cousin who lives in the Barossa Valley, South Australia. (great wine growing region made up of lovely country towns. My grandmother was born in one of these towns called Mt Pleasant and my cousin lives in a town not far called Tanunda) This is a nice link to the area http://www.barossa.com/

    Gday, congratulations, I totally understand how happy you are with breaking through the 63’s. And also fitting into your beloved black skirt and a mini skirt at that!! Gives you a great feeling inside. Not to mention that you are also on top of the moon with your new wonderful man. Woohoo to you!!!

    Penguin, I am waiting for you to tell us you have done the same as Gday and are into your old uniform pants. Another day to celebrate is coming soon.

    LJoyce, I hope you are feeling better. I thought I saw a post that said you were not well.

    Intesha, I have never been to Dubai, but my friend has been twice and the pictures she posted showed amazing buildings and her hotel was incredible!! Have fun and stay safe in your travels.

    Cinque, hope all goes well with your lung biopsy. I recently had a CT scan on my lungs as I had a persistant cough for more than 6 months. They found a shadow in both lungs that they said did not look like cancer as cancer seems to have a defining edge to it. They thought it was infections. I went on a course of strong antibiotics for 10 days then another scan. They said it is now all clear. My cough is not as it was but still seems to be there every now and then, so my doctor also changed my blood pressure medication as he said a cough could be a side effect of the one I was on and I had been on them for quite a few years.
    Fingers crossed for you and will be thinking of you on Tuesday.

    You said Melbourne is warm and grey, well so is Cairns. We seem to be hazy today and muggy.

    Work is being done on our roof as I am typing. We decided to get solar, as I said before, but had the roof checked out before we went ahead with it and decided to rescrew and recoat with solar reflectant paint. (our roof is colourbond not tiles due to the risk of loosing tiles in cyclones) They should be finished today, then we can book the solar in to be done. I am so looking forward to saving money on electricity!!

    That is it for now so will catch up soon

    Hi everyone
    So many posts and I haven’t time to respond to all of them as I have my grandchildren again today. In school holidays we have them for a sleepover but today is my daughters regular work day.
    Cinque, I will pray that there is nothing sinister on your lungs ~hugs.
    Julie, I couldn’t see the photos you posted but it did take me to your fb page?
    Hope all goes well with OHs surgery, thin.
    We went to dinner at friends last night so wasn’t a fast day. They made lasagne and a chocolate pudding – lots of carbs.
    Today is a fast day and although it might rain I’m hoping OH will join me in a walk when the girls leave.
    Have a great day everyone xx

    Stayin, Yes the link should take you straight to an album on my FB page. One album is of the Botanical Gardens and the other of the Cairns Aquarium.

    Gday, so exciting to hear that you can now fit into your old favorite black mini skirt. I love going back to old clothes that I wore when I was younger to find that they fit again. I don’t have many things that I’ve kept that long, but the ones I do have remind me of happy times. Of course I’m happy now too but not as many new things and ‘firsts’ as there were back then. Maybe that’s the secret to staying young, finding more new things to experience.

    Cinque, I’m sending hugs your way and hoping you can manage not to worry too much between now and Tuesday. I have read that the majority of ‘lung thingies’ turn out to be nothing, but that doesn’t help when you have to look forward to it for a week. It’s a good thing it’s located where they can go down your throat to get to it, so not too invasive. The fact that it didn’t light up on the PET scan is a good thing. You know we will be worrying about you and praying for good news. How soon will you find out the results?

    Good morning SHs, late start for me today I couldn’t seem to drag myself out of bed this morning. Feeling a bit seedy this morning and in need of lots of water – my body always seems to get dehydrated as it tried to metabolise the treatment drug.

    Cinque – I really hope they find nothing serious in the lung biopsy. I have everything crossed for you.

    GDSA – well done on the under 63s and the mini skirt. If you start wearing clothes like that again, your daughter will start raiding your wardrobe.

    JJ – the only gluten free pasta I’ve used was “L’Abruzzese lentil & rice spirals”. I didn’t put it in soup but I can’t see why it wouldn’t work. When I make minestrone for a FD I usually leave the pasta out completely and add a few more beans as I find them more filling.

    Thin – given other things you’ve mentioned about your hubby’s reaction to food, I’m not surprised by the “last supper”. Hope the surgery goes well.

    Penguin – I think “wally” applies to pollies everywhere. Hopefully the extra activity cleaning out the garage will shift that last pound.

    Intesh – I’m not a coffee drinker but for gold dusk even I might order one.

    Lindsay – I think you said you have prep for the the colonoscopy today – hope that’s not too traumatic a process. My memories are of it being very unpleasant. There is always a silver lining though – with a completely empty digestive system you’ll weigh less.

    If I can summon up the energy I’m thinking I’ll turn some frozen chilli con carne into a spicy shepherd’s pie. I have carrots, celeriac and potatoes that I’m hoping will create an interesting mash for the top.

    Have a good day everyone.

    I did end up making the chilli con carne pie – just had a serve for dinner. I think I like it better than normal shepherds pie. I have 3 serves left that can’t be frozen (the chilli came out of the freezer), so ask again in a few nights if I’m of the same opinion.
    The mash is unusual – the celeriac definitely dominates, and when I tasted the mash by itself I wasn’t sure it would work. However when teamed with the spicy chilli I barely noticed the celery flavour.
    Quite a well balanced meal really – 8 different veg, borlotti beans, beef and a little parmesan sprinkled on top of the mash.
    I feel pleasantly full now and am rather happy that I don’t have to think about cooking for a few nights. (Living on my own sometimes has it’s benefits.)

    Thank you JustJulie & Lindsay L. I’m looking for to learning lots from everyone else’s experiences. The Fast Diet book was very informative and I instantly felt ‘ I can do this’ so, fingers crossed, I will make the best of it! Past attempts at getting healthier and losing weight have been difficult for the long term for me. I’m sure 2 FD will be more manageable. Love reading everyone’s posts – thank you all

    Lindsay. I am currently averaging a colonoscopy every 12 months. Not fun but the preparation for the procedure is great for weight loss! Also quite educational looking at your inside on the screen. Of course it flushes out your gut bacteria so they will need building up again. That is what got me into making kefir.

    Cinque. I have lumps in parts of my body that are just lumps. I know they are not cancerous because I’ve had cancer and the medics check me every 6 months. Because of it’s history, Cancer is a word that worries everyone more than it should. To the older generation (and my older generation was older than your’s) it was a major disaster. To me, and to my daughter who had aggressive breast cancer, it was just a damned nuisance. Everyone else’s reaction to the word did not help. If the medics seriously thought you had it they would be moving faster.

    In my youth I was briefly a hospital theatre porter. The person who has to physically move you if you need surgery will also be very glad you are 30 kg lighter!

    LJoyce, your chilli con carne pie sounds nice. I put chilli in a lot of recipes as I like the bite it gives. I recently made a butternut pumpkin soup with chipolte and cannelini beans which you then blend. OH love this one too.

    I ended up not putting pasta in the minestrone soup and just did as you suggested and added extra beans. OH has just had a bowl of this soup and said it was great.

    Arelkade, I just recently found a 5:2 Veggie & Vegan book which has some great recipes in it too. I particularly like the soups in this book. I am not really a vegetarian but I thought I could do this and it works well especially on a FD.

    Julie and LJoyce, I just started eating more beans again. I had gotten away from them for a while, no particular reason, was just eating other things. I had a bowl of pinto beans last night, cooked in the Instant Pot (pressure cooker) with chopped onions, a little chili powder, cumin and salt. I added hot sauce before I ate them. Even after eating at least 6 slices of sourdough toast with butter yesterday, apples and some not so healthy breakfast cereal, I was down just a little in weight. Legumes seem to have some magic powers with all their fiber. That’s happened to me before, that I lost on days where I would have expected to gain because of the high carb load, but the addition of beans seemed to help. Maybe it was the fiber that made me feel fuller than I was.

    Penguin, good post! All of the people that are closest to me are cancer survivors: 8 years, 17 years and 20+ years. All of them have been clear since the episodes. And the 20+ year survivor just turned 88. It’s still scary, but not as much as it once was.

    It has been a beautiful autumn day here. This morning I made the basics of a fish stew – I won’t give it a French name because I doubt if they use a combination of leeks, celery, fennel, tomatoes, garlic, star anise, aniseeds, Vietnamese fish sauce, cayenne and ouzo. This afternoon I shot some clays. A mate on another 5:2 site lives just outside Las Vegas and today was giving blood, so for once we didn’t complain about our gun control laws. I have just harvested my kefir. Before doing so I took off 500 grm of grains. Whilst I was out OH baked the case for a curd cheese cake, which she will make for me tomorrow. I am currently enjoying a glass of the ouzo, the first alcohol for a week, and will shortly add hake and prawns to the soup, which will be followed with stewed apples and kefir. Some days are better than others.

    I hope those medical issues we discussed earlier have been resolved.

    CalifDreamer. Just re-read your posting about beans. I have recently seen some papers which argue that beans, lentils, chickpeas, pulses in general convert white fat into beige fat, which is less harmful and contributes to weight loss. The gut flora also like pulses. Because pulses/legumes are the basis of so many tasty and otherwise healthy meals I am more than happy to go with that argument.

    Good morning all,

    Penguin, your last post about the legumes was interesting, so I decided to do a little research and see if I could find the papers you had recently seen about legumes/pulses and weight loss. The reason I was so interested was that yesterday I made a minestrone soup and added extra pulses instead of putting in the macaroni as per a normal recipe, as LJoyce suggested.
    This morning’s weigh in saw me down to 80.8 which was a loss of 1.6kg. I know that I probably did not really loose that much in one day and I was also probably loosing the alcohol gain from the last weekend, but this loss came after a day of eating soup with beans in it.
    My research found this article https://www.rd.com/health/diet-weight-loss/eat-beans-lose-weight/
    The article talks about a few different tests involving the eating of beans, chick peas, lentils etc with case studies from different countries. All with the result that those who ate the beans/chickpeas/lentils in their diet all lost more weight than those who did not. Plus there is the health benefits of blood sugar and insulin levels being healthy, belly fat reduction, improvements in cholesterol and blood pressure, plus help with inflammation, premature aging, diabetes and obesity.
    And yes as CalifD also said they make you feel full for longer.
    The new 5:2 Veggie & Vegan book I bought gives a lot of recipes for beans in it so looks like I will continue to add more beans to my diet.

    So I am quite happy this morning as I am nearly back to the 80.0kg mark I was before the long weekend and it is proving I can get back on track with my weight loss. I think I am beginning to get my head around it all and see that I can have a splurge every now and then as long as I “get back on the horse” so the weight does not creep up again.
    All this information about beans/pulses/legumes plus the explanation of the water filling up fat cells, then suddenly releasing that fluid just seems to all make some sense to me.
    Thanks everyone for supplying the information you read!!

    Have a great day!!

    Good morning everyone,

    I had a good fastlike day yesterday…. the broccoli soup did have cream in it, but it was delicious, and we had some English muffin with it. I think I was still under 800 calories for the day, so that is fine. I’ll do Fasty McFast on Sunday.

    Thankyou so much for your kind words and information about my lung biopsy. I was given the choice to have an operation to remove the mass and then test it, but I felt ok to have the biopsy and see what it says, and hope I can avoid losing part of my lungs. So while I have my fingers crossed, I am not too scared. (And glad I’ll go easy on the porters!). I’ll get the results the following week.

    Thinking of you today Lindsay. Best wishes.

    JJulie, I think we have to be fb friends with you to be able to see the photos in your albums. It says: “The link you followed may have expired, or the Page may only be visible to an audience that you aren’t in.”

    Arelkade, I do think 5:2 is just the best when it comes to a long term strategy for a healthy weight and a healthy life. I do so hope you can make it suit you.
    We all seem to do it faithfully, but with variations that suit our lives and our personalities. We will love to see how you make it fit your life.

    Well now it is not a fast day I can enjoy all the talk of chili shepherd’s pie and other foods! I have just about eaten my freezer out so it is time for me to think about cooking (ooh lovely fun).
    I just love legumes so I will make one big bean or lentil based thing. I bought some white maize grits and am experimenting with them, so I think I will try samp and beans (I’m on an African food discovery tour in my head) using the last of the red beans. And then I think I will make a chicken casserole and a savoury pumpkin pie. That should last me for the next couple of weeks!
    All I’ll need is salads and other veggie sides to go with everything.

    But I’m feeling like breaking my dietary law, as well as laws of physics, and just nip over to Penguin’s for a slice of curd cheesecake!

    COLD, grey and wet this morning. I might stop at JJulie’s on the way over!

    Cinque, I am sorry you can not see the photos and yes I am sure you are right that you have to be FB friends with me to see them as I remember now that I have some security on my FB page. There must be some other way to share photos on here?
    If you have FB please feel free to ask to be friends if you want.
    Cairns is overcast and hazy again today, but not at all cold. In fact we slept with just a sheet over us last night as it is starting to get muggy. Drop in if your passing!!

    Hi, I’m still around and fitting in FDs when I can. This week is turning out to be another 6/1 and the scales show it. I wish I could be one of those who maintains on a 6/1 configuration long term, though my way is different. I’m glad I’m able to fit in at least one FD, so am thankful for that and today is the day.

    I sure miss following all the posts. I feel a bit selfish for writing and not reading, though there is still so much going on, this is all I can manage.

    I did happen to read your wonderful post at top of page, Intesha about Dubai! I’ve only been to the airport and an overnight in Abu Dhabi which was fun, but didn’t go anywhere but to and from airport/hotel. Would love to return and how lucky your friend is to have you as a guide!

    I appreciate the stability of this thread and of those who contribute, even if I’m not able to fully participate at this time.

    Hello Minka, Cinque, Penguine, Cali, Arelkade, Stay, Thin, Lindasy, GDSA and anyone else who’s reading.

    Cali, Penguin & JJ – You won’t get any argument from me on the subject of pulses & legumes. I love them. At any one time I have up to 10 varieties in my pantry and I aim to include them in several meals each week. In winter I mainly use them in soups, stews and baked savoury dishes. In summer I always have a tub of home made hommus in the fridge and I use them in patties/rissoles and loaf bakes (a vegetarian meatloaf). I use them in curries all year round.

    If you haven’t eaten them for a while your digestive system can react dramatically, but if you continue to eat them this will change. I found it took 3 weeks for the bloating and gas to stop. I suspect this is the time it took for my gut flora to change so it could deal with the quantity of legumes I was consuming.

    I posted this link a couple of weeks ago, but I think it’s a great starting point for legume & pulse recipes so I’m including it again: http://pulses.org/component/tags/tag/world-s-greatest-pulse-dishes?limitstart=0 There are many recipes here – although some ingredients can be tricky to find – I just substitute if I can’t find something. There is also a separate recipe thread on this forum that Cinque started that’s full of legume recipes.

    Something to bear in mind with using legumes is that it doesn’t have to be meat or legumes – although you certainly can replace all the meat in a recipie with legumes. You can also do a partial replacement – this maintains the protein level of the dish but adds a lot more fibre and a wider range of nutrients.

    You can buy legumes & pulses ground into flour – the main ones available are soy flour, lentil flour and chickpea flour (this is also called besan four).
    When I bake normal bread I always include soy flour in with the spelt and rye fours. When making flat bread I use some lentil or chickpea flour with the atta flour (Indian wholemeal). You can also cook some pappadams in the microwave (they take 60 seconds) – the only ingredients in a pappadam are lentil four, water and salt. They work as an accompaniment to meals or dips, and also as a snack. In an Indian restaurant these will be deep fried but they don’t have to be – the microwave work very well.

    You can buy some legumes & pulses in tins and many people find them convenient. However some recipes require legumes that are soaked but not cooked (eg felafel), so you cannot always replace dry legumes with tinned in recipes. I normally use the dry beans/peas/lentils – you just need to know what you are cooking the next day so you can soak the legumes in time.

    There are a lot of different pulses & legumes and over time you’ll probably find you prefer some more than others – my number one is absolutely chick peas.

    Well that’s my legume pep talk for the day.

    Hi all, thank you all for you posts. Up to day 5 & still ‘finding my way’. Feel better just knowing that I’m finally trying to be a much healthier me. I can feel a little difference in energy already – though if I eat carbs feel a bit sluggish! Early days with many more to come. My buy the Fast Diet Recipe book – sounds interesting.
    Hubby & I are having a weekend in Forster NSW Australia – so a challenge to try to be good!!!
    Have a great weekend everyone.

    Julie, that’s 2 of us who had unexpected weight loss the day after eating beans. Maybe there really is some magic.

    Arelkade, glad the5:2 is working well for you so far. Once you find a few things that you like for FDs it will feel a lot more routine. And as you see results, you’ll feel even better. There do seem to be more plateaus with this way of eating, but that Whoosh article seems to be a plausible explanation. And after the plateaus it seems like there is usually a good drop.

    Julie, we can’t request to be friends on FB without knowing your name to look you up.

    LJoyce, my favorite beans are kidney beans, the dark red ones. I even like the smell of them cooking. Chick peas are my second favorite.

    Cinque, I’m glad you’re feeling reasonably calm about next week’s procedure. It sounds like you’re going to be busy cooking up more dishes.

    Cali – funny how we all have different preferences. Red kidney beans are one of my least favourites and when a recipe includes them I always use borlotti instead. I like the flavour, but I find the skins on kidney beans tougher than most other beans.

    Hi Everyone
    I’m very interested in all the discussion about legumes and pulses. We don’t eat a lot but do put them into soups etc but to be honest I haven’t cooked them very much over the last few years. I will work them into the menu again soon. Thanks Julie for the recipe link and I will look up Cinques on the recipe thread too. My son hates them, calls them “mental lentils” yes he’s nearly 24 – so immature at times.
    After yesterday’s fast day of just under 700 cals, I too am under my weekend weight ( just in time for another weekend 😩) but I am happy to say our plans for tonight have been cancelled and we have no plans for the weekend. I may sneak in another FD.
    I visited my mum for lunch today and she made a nice meatball and veggie soup. Tonight is chicken and Greek salad so a good day today.
    The weather has improved a bit late this afternoon so I’ll head off for a walk- 3rd one for the week – big improvement.
    Have a great evening all! Xx

    CalifD, So sorry of course. My name is Julie Skarstrom. Just message me that we met on this forum and I will accept.

    I love red kidney beans too especially in Chilli Con Carne.

    OH has finished all the bought hommus so I am going to make my own again. I bought sesame seed oil today to add to it.

    Dinner tonight is Miso Salmon with stir fry vegies.

    I also made broccoli soup today and thought about adding beans to it. Is that going overboard? Anyhow I didn’t in the end and it was still filling for lunch.

    Cinque, sincere apologies if my note of concern caused undue alarm. I’m sure you have the situation well under control and that all will be well.

    Thanks Stay for your good wishes for my OH’s surgery. All went well except that he had to wait until 4pm to be taken to surgery (lucky that he got up at 5am to prepare that breakfast!) and, unbeknown to me, my phone was giving an outgoing message of being out of service so the ward couldn’t contact me. It took four hours for the mobile provider to fix up the glitch with apparently no apology warranted for the inconvenience; rather I got the sense that I should feel grateful that the gent in the Philippines call centre was able to correct it. Sigh!

    Cauliflower was at a low $1.20 yesterday so I bought one to make a batch of FD soups for freezing and one for an old-fashioned cauliflower cheese which I haven’t made in years. I blame Penguin for mentioning that at the top of this page – but it was delicious.

    JJulie, I’m not your FB friend but I was able to view those photographs. Love legumes of all types.

    Have a lovely weekend everyone. Here’s to mindful eating and drinking!

    I just had another serve of the chilli con carne shepherds pie – just as yummy on night 2.

    Stay – I suspect your son needs to met a few pulses in different forms.
    – Pureed into dips – they just make it thick and hommus is only the start. I make a white bean dip that just requires plenty of garlic & lemon and whatever herb you fancy, it purees up to a lovely creamy dip.
    – Legume flours added to flatbread – he’ll never know they are there, although the bread will have more flavour than just grain flour.
    – chickpea flour made into a pakora batter – dip pieces of vegetable, paneer, chicken, prawns etc into it and either fry or bake.
    – Dense little burgers and croquettes like felafel. Because these are made from legumes that have been soaked, drained and minced (but not boiled) they have a really different texture to things made with cooked legumes/pulses. Every country across the middle east has its own version of this type of croquette and I suspect I’d like every single one! Traditionally they would be deep fried but I pan fry or bake.

    Thin – glad your hubby finally got into surgery. I suspect he was bemoaning the long gap between his last food at 5am and 4pm surgery.

    Another fine day, before what is scheduled to be a wet weekend. It appears I was wrong when I said the house refurb was completed. The morning was spent organising new covers for all of the cushions on our cane furniture. I am not convinced of the need, but I long since learned that OH and I have different priorities and sometimes it is easier to go with the flow.

    The afternoon I spent moving heavy stones from one end of the garden to the other. I put them there 15 years ago because one day they will be useful. That may be next year. They each weigh about 40 kg and have grown mossy, so I am aware that I have worked. I was supervised by the resident robin, who knew that moving stones after 15 years would reveal a large number of tasty robin sized morsels. He is a friendly little bird. On my return from a weekend away he came to the window and when I went out he sang to me for half an hour.

    After our legume/lentil discussion, lamb curry tonight and a lentil dhal, both from a batch in the freezer that I made a couple of weeks ago. To be followed by prunes and kefir. Not that I believe all the super food hype, but there is some research that suggests prunes are good for bone density (if you are prepared to eat a handful every day). I don’t watch much television, but my favourite programme is on tonight : “Only Connect” , a half hour quiz programme which regularly defeats me.

    Thin, I’m glad your husband’s surgery went well other than the delay? It was yesterday, right? (She asks thin, while realizing it’s already tomorrow there…Oh, never mind. 😁)
    Does he have to remain there or can he come home right away? Hope he isn’t in any pain.

    LJoyce, that shepard’s pie is making me hungry. It sounds like a good winter dish. The weather here is trying to make up its mind whether to be summer or winter. It’s been sunny every day lately but cold at night.

    Penguin, it sounds like you don’t need to go to a gym after all that exercise moving the stones. It sounds like hard work, but I bet your friend the Robin won’t have to go looking for dinner tonight.

    Stay, like LJ mentioned, bean dips are the easiest way to add beans to your diet Lemon juice garlic and basil is one of my favorite.

    Julie, miso salmon sounds good. How do you make it? My broccoli soup is just steamed broccoli, unsweetened soy or nut milk and salt and pepper, all puréed. Maybe a little nutmeg sprinkled on top. Super easy and good.

    FD was good yesterday and I lost .5 kg. Down to 60.1 this morning. My goal is 59, but would like to get to 58 so I have a cushion. The last kg’s are definitely the hardest to get off. More beans!

    Happy Saturday morning and well wishes to all.

    Have been busy cooking the last few days to restock thw freezer – curry, cauliflower soup and 25 large pasty slices. I make my own pastry using the Hairy Bikers Cornish pasty recipie which is lovely pastry. Was going to make some with spelt flour instead of white but then became distracted and automatically used white for the second batch. Next time.

    Miss D is spending the day at her friends house so I am having a day out with the OH…..yay I can say OH now !!

    The suns just risen so time to check outside for damage. Fierce winds all last…..I hope the trampoline hasnt grown wings again.

    Good morning everyone,

    Thin, I loved your concern. Thankyou. And I am sorry I wasn’t sending good wishes along for your OH’s op. Maybe my neglect caused the long wait and the mob ph glitch! (Yes I am that powerful! 😉 ). I am making up for it now sending lots of good wishes for today. I hope he is recovering well.

    Minka, so glad to see your post. I do hope your life settles down a bit so that you can read and write here more, and to manage two fast days a week! But in the meantime I am so glad you manage to pop in and tell us how you are. (Chances you read this? 7% 😉 )

    Wow Penguin, you get a lot done! Say hello to your robin from me! I hope ‘Only Connect’ turns up on the ABC here. It took ‘Pointless’ about a decade to get here, so I won’t hold my breath.

    Stay, I wonder if your son is affected by the bad rap lentils got when they were connected with boring old hippies (Neil from The Young Ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYHEACE-v0k ). And legumes are connected with farts and belly-ache since (as LJoyce said) you need to build up the gut bacteria to cope with them. Maybe small amounts in things will win him over.

    I’ve been thinking of which are my favourite. I use so many types I often have to make myself use up a jar before I buy a different one or I can have a dozen jars of beans in the pantry! At the moment I have chickpeas, split red lentils, whole mung beans, and split fava beans. The ones I am using up is what I thought were small red kidney beans but are different, much softer. I have discovered they are called Red Beans or Mexican beans.

    I had thought I didn’t like red kidney beans so much, just too big and maybe tougher skins, I often replaced them with black beans (which I love). But these smaller, softer red beans have made me miss big red kidney beans and I am hanging out to have them again!

    JJulie I am glad you discovered the Bean thread, I just had a new look through it and there are recipes there I am so keen to make!

    GDay, best wishes for your fun day with OH!
    Arelkade, best wishes for your lovely weekend with yours!

    Cali, Congrats for that 60.1!

    Day before fast day for me, and I am staying at home (first time for a week). Bliss.

    Cheers all

    Good morning all,

    CalifD, the miso salmon is very easy to make. I just used two pieces of salmon fillet without the skin. Then in a bowl put the following ingredients….
    2 tbsp white miso paste
    1 tbsp sake
    1 tbsp mirin
    1 tbsp soy (I used tamari)
    1/4 tsp sesame oil
    Whisk until they are all blended together then place the salmon fillets into the bowl and coat the marinade over the top. Cover and refridgerate for at least one hour.
    Used baking powder to over the bottom of a baking tray and place the fillet on the tray. Scrape the excess miso marinade off the top of the fish as this may burn. Bake in the oven for approximately 20 minutes depending on the thickness of the fish or broil for 10 – 12 minutes. Be careful the miso does not burn in this process.
    I served with stir fried vegies using just onion, zucchini, julienne carrot, sliced celery and bok choy with a tablespoon of macadamia nut oil and Lee Kum Kee Vegetarian stir fry sauce.

    My broccoli soup consists of….
    Broccoli florets
    1 onion or leek
    1 litre of water (depending on how many florets)
    2 tbsp Vegeta vegetable stock powder

    cook until vegetables are tender then blend with a stick mixer.

    Really low in calories but lots of flavour.

    I have also done the same but using half and half cauliflower and broccoli.

    Pengiun, I think your moss covered stones would look great as a garden feature. What a workout you had moving them! I would love to have a robin hanging around my house. What a joy to hear one sing, we dont get robins here. We get willy wagtails, doves, Torres Strait pideons who sound like owls, and the terrible myna birds. We also have curlews and ibis.

    Thin, how is your OH feeling today? Hope he is feeling better.

    Gday, Love that you make your own pastry. I try to do the same but dont always have the time. And you reminded me about Hairy Bikers!! Hope you have a lovely day out with your new wonderful OH!!

    Just been for a walk and it is soooo muggy I really worked up a sweat this time. Takes us about an hour to walk the circuit near my house. My friend said she wants to walk this afternoon too so will be doing that with her as well. Two walks in one day would be a first for me.

    So my big news is that I have broken the 80’s and this morning I touched 79.7 on the scales. That is a total loss of 7.2kg for me so far. I feel good in myself and glad that I have gone back to loosing after last weekend of food and wine.

    It has taken me so long to write this I bet there are other posts I can not see yet!!

    I am going to sit and have my green tea now. catch you all later.

    Just a quick note to let people know that I am still in the plan and haven’t fallen by the wayside. I lead a quiet lifestyle. To the newbies I lost 35kgs over 18months, reaching my goal weight a little over 2 years ago and have been fairly constant. Family celebrations blows the eating plans out the window, but with this program I go back to normal and it comes off. I still have some family members still trying to sabotage my diet, others that are quite supportive. Just ignore the negatives.

    I have had quite a busy time in my yard. Taking 3 and a half weeks to remove weedmat that was not allowing the soil the breathe and killing the plants. Weeks to erect shed shelves and painting the MDF. Trying to catch up on the weeds and getting the spring vegetables in.

    I have been trying to get qoutes to get things done here. The quotes were excessive and another still hasn’t sent it 2 months later. Plumbers wont even get back to you. I got a quote from another type of business out of town. Email enquiry 10 minutes reply, up the next week ordered yesterday delvery within a month. Very professional in their customer service.

    Good Morning SHs – hope you are all having a lovely Saturday.

    GL502 – it’s always good to meet others who have lost weight and kept it off with 5:2 I find it very reassuring.

    JJ – well done on getting under 80, another milestone achieved.

    Cinque – where did you find split fava beans? – I’ve looked everywhere here and can’t get them (just the whole brown ones which I don’t like). I wanted to make the Egyptian version of felafel which uses split fava instead of chickpeas. I was thinking of using frozen broad beans and peeling the skins off first.

    GDSA – well done on the freezer restock – always handy to have some ready meals once you get back to work. Enjoy your afternoon with your OH.

    Cali – sounds like you are getting awfully close to that goal, well done.
    I always find when the weather changes that it excites my interest in cooking things that I haven’t for a while because it’s been too hot or too cold.
    The chili con carne pie actually reminds me of a favourite recipe from one of my Mollie Katzen vegetarian cookbooks. It is a Frijoles con Queso cobbler. Basically it’s a vegetarian chilli mixed with montery jack and cream cheeses and topped with a cornbread cobbler mix. I found her cornbread topping dry so I substitute my cornmeal muffin recipe that stays moist. I also use white leicester instead of the montery jack because it’s easier to find here, but crumbles the way the recipe describes. It’s a really hearty vegetarian meal although definitely a winter dish.

    Penguin – that sounds like something a personal trainer would make you do – carry a load of stones about the yard. I’m glad you had company while doing it – of the feathered variety.

    I thought of one more way I use legumes – to thicken sauces that are too thin. If I have a soup, stew or pie filling that a bit watery it can be thickened by adding dry red lentils (hulled not whole). These are really quick cooking – just 15 minutes of simmering. A handful will thicken a sauce. The red lentils will dissolve completely into the liquid and just leave it thicker. Although I have not tried this, you could probably achieve the same thing with one of the legume flours – just like thickening a sauce with grain flour.

    Hello,
    What a treat to hear from you GL502! Congratulations on your weight maintenance, your weed mat removal, your shelves, and a plumber with good customer service: a promising sign!
    I hope it is not too dry in the Wimmera! Good luck with your Spring planting!

    Congratulations JJulie! Into the 70’s! You did it!
    And what lovely cooking too!
    I love pastry and make sure I make my own: nicer, and it does mean I don’t have it often, which is best.

    I do love the Hairy Bikers. I have a pastry recipe of theirs that has mashed potato in it, but I think it is best for pot pies, where the pastry is just on top.

    LJoyce I am so lucky here, I am in one of the most multicultural areas of Melbourne and it is easy to get all the dozens of beans and lentils. Would it work to post you a packet of the dried split fava? It will be perfect for felafel.
    The shop I buy them from has frozen felafel mixture that is so delicious and cheap I don’t think of making my own. When I moved here twenty years ago the ingredients on the packets said “beans, herbs, spices”.
    I mainly use the fava for a soup with Middle Eastern spicing that I just love, but I keep meaning to make a dip with it too.

    Hmm, well I have done a bit today but I had better go and tackle some more. Bye.

    PS There are gorgeous native robins in Victoria, when I lived in East Gippsland I got to know them well. The yellow robin was the friendliest, http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/canberrabirds/2011-06/jpgfpWSsxfyWb.jpg
    but my favourite was the pink robin https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12230409.8439/flat,1000×1000,075,f.jpg .

    Hi everyone
    Well we are all so busy in the garden, cooking, freezing.
    GL502 Thanks for popping in. It’s always good to hear how people have been doing this WOL successfully.
    Thanks Julie for posting more recipes. Atm my hubby is doing his diet and that doesn’t leave much room for trying new things. It’s limiting but works for him as he doesn’t have to calorie count. He’s lost 5 kgs since we got home.
    Hubby is building a new front fence but keeps getting neighbors walking or driving past who stop and chat. I tell him it serves him right for being such a nice guy haha
    I’m doing housework, which I try not to do on weekends but the later part of my week was too busy with grandkids. I’m hoping it stays dry so I can mow in an hour or so.
    I’m fitting in an extra FD today but it will be closer to 700 cals but I’m happy with that
    Have a great weekend everyone xx

    Hi GL502. You weren’t here when I started hanging around back in May or June, so happy to meet you! 35 kg in 18 months is impressive. The fact that you’ve kept it off for 2 years is impressive too. This seems like the best plan for keeping it off because it allows for some “regular” eating and celebrating. I have a little over a kg to go to get to my goal weight, but I can see already that I’ll probably be fasting 2 days most weeks in order to maintain, because that allows for a day or 2 of splurging. Do you still fast for 2 days or can you get by with one?

    Cinque, your robins look quite a bit different than the ones in North America. http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/connecticut-state-bird-P.jpeg The ones here appear to be quite a bit bigger. Their eggs are blue. Some of them are somewhat friendly although most would not get close enough to let you touch them.
    Those small red beans that you were talking about yesterday, the ones you thought were like small kidney beans, I bought some of those a couple weeks ago, but haven’t cooked them yet. I was thinking they would be like kidney beans too. Thanks for the heads up. I bet these are the same as yours, more of a Mexican type of bean. The only kidney beans I could find in our store were lighter, more like pink. I haven’t seen the dark red ones for a while, only in a can. I’ll have to check another store. We have a wide variety of beans here too, at some of the stores, the more specialty type.

    Julie, thank you for the Miso salmon recipe. I have red and brown miso paste here. I’ll have to find some white. Time for a trip over to Whole Foods which was recently bought out by Amazon. I haven’t been there since they bought it. It’s a wonderful store but everyone calls it “Whole Paycheck”. We’re hoping that Amazon lowers the prices.

    LJoyce, I just looked up that Frijoles con quests, etc. Casserole recipe in The Enchanted Broccoli Forest cookbook by Molly Katzen, page 217. Mine may be an earlier copy 1982, because it shows the cheese as a “grated mild white cheese” but doesn’t mention Monterey Jack. But that description fits the Monterey Jack. Although you mentioned crumbling it but it doesn’t really crumble because it’s usually softer than that. It has to be grated. It’s a really common cheese here that melts well, so it gets put on everything from pizza to casseroles and sandwiches.

    I don’t remember ever trying that recipe, but I will now. The challenge will be not to eat half of it in one sitting! I love her cookbooks, but they are often a little heavy handed on the cheeses and sour cream.

    Julie, congrats on breaking into the 70’s! 👏👍🏻 It’s always great to hit new milestones.

    Stay, the weather must be nice there since you’re busy out in the garden and your OH is painting (or tying to paint) the fence. Hope he gets it done!

    Snap CalifD, I also woke to 60.1kg this morning which put me in a good frame of mind for visiting the winery. The high was 17C today so we rugged up warmly and headed out to the Swan Valley. The wine tasting was on the stingey side but plenty for us (me being the driver and OH taking occasional pain meds – recovering well thank you all who enquired).

    OH and I managed to keep a straight face during all that wine gobbledygook, lingering blackcurrant depth, gasoline notes on the nose and the like but we both started giggling when one wine was described as “approachable”. So, do we just leave all the others alone as deemed too hostile to drink? I was very happy with a bottle of 2Euro red in the Seville supermarkets and find it all a bit pretentious. Anyway, apologies to the connoisseurs. The food however was delicious, a large platter of assorted goodies to share. I left feeling as if I could have eaten more but very content which was lovely for a meal out. We went on to a brewery that we know well for coffee. No pretence there.

    JJulie, good job hitting the 70s. You’re on a roll. Do you have a goal weight? I used to cook salmon with tamarind paste but have virtually stopped buying all the jars and things that traditionally fill the fridge door. I’ve come to love salmon steaks with no sauces at all. Just seared with a sprinkling of sesame seeds on top. Served with lime wedges.

    I’d forgotten all about Monterey Jack. I used to buy it at Trader Joe’s with jalapeno peppers in it. Do you have TJ’s in your part of California CalifD?

    GL502, welcome back. It’s good to hear from someone who left us but who stayed with the WOL. Sadly, a long silence often seems to mean falling off the wagon. Congratulations on maintaining your significant loss. We have to ignore the saboteurs. That includes the messages inside our own heads sometimes.

    There seems to be a glitch with this thread again. Someone referred to Minka’s post which didn’t sound familiar. I scrolled up and found it along with several others that I hadn’t noticed before. I think I am caught up for the moment.

    And if there are any self-proclaimed wine connoisseurs out there, please tell us, what wine is being described here?

    “The ….. might be called liquefied Viagra. An incredibly sexy nose of smoke, black fruits, cappuccino, and toasty wood is followed by an expansive, terrifically concentrated wine with a sumptuous texture, no hard edges, beautifully integrated acidity and tannin, and a long, 35 second finish. This stunningly aromatic, multi-dimensional wine should drink well for 12-15 years. This is a spectacular wine that must be tasted to be believed.”

    Obviously another very approachable wine. See, I’ve learned something today. This one, not so approachable – beef blood? eeew!

    “….. is a real treat as this cuvee flirts with perfection. Already revealing some pink and amber at the edge, the colour is surprisingly evolved for a wine from this vintage. However, that’s deceptive as the aromatics offer incredible aromas of dried flowers, beef blood, spice, figs, sweet black currants and kirsch, smoked game, lavender, and sweaty but attractive saddle leather-like notes. Full-bodied and massively endowed, with abundant silky tannins, it possesses the balance to age for 30+ years.”

    Thin – glad you had a nice day out, despite the pretentious wine reviews. Sound like your OH found an enjoyable way to medicate for the post surgery pain.

    Cali – I may have been remembering it incorrectly because she mentions monterey jack a lot. I’ve made that casserole a lot, although I mostly just follow the spirit of the recpie and adapt it to a simpler lower cal version. Mollie’s original recipe has 3 layers and I usually just use two. My main layer is a cross between a bean-tomato-capsicum chilli and a ratatouille. I crumble 100g of white leicester or some haloumi into that, then top it with a cornmeal muffin batter (mine contains creamed corn so it stays moist). I usually end up with a huge baking dish full that provides many meals. The only time I used the cream cheese was the first time I made it – when I stuck closer to the recipe. If you want the cornmeal muffin recipe I’m happy to post it.

    Cinque – I suspect I could find the split fava bean online, and I might be able to hunt down a middle eastern grocer in the suburbs – I tried the central market but couldn’t find them. So far I’ve just substituted chickpeas in the Egyptian recipes and they taste great. I just always wondered what they’d be like with the fava beans.
    Have you used adzuki beans – I’m wondering if they were the small red beans you and Cali were discussing? I bought a few at the central market (when I couldn’t find the favas I didn’t want to leave empty handed), but I’m not sure what they’ll be good in. They are red and quite small – about the size of a black-eyed bean or navy bean. I think they are used in Japanese cuisine – one I know little about.

    I decided to do a FD today instead of tomorrow. It went fairly well, although I was hungrier than usual for a FD and I suspect I ended up somewhere in the 500-600 cal range.

    There seem to be robins everywhere that people speak English. Ours are about 5.5 inches/14 cm long, brown back and head, bright red waistcoat and very pale belly below it. It is often associated with Christmas, being on cards etc. In medieval times it was believed that it got the red breast by trying to remove the crown of thorns at Christ’s crucifixion and was splashed with blood, which may explain the Christmas association.

    In UK cars over three years old have to pass an annual mechanical examination, the MoT. This week I am going through my MoT. Thursday a routine visit to the dentist, Friday the opticians, this morning the autumn flu jab. This afternoon a haircut. For a 1944 model I seem to be in reasonable order.

    I am growing a little concerned about this thread. One of our number had concerns about fragging and now another describes something as “full bodied, massively endowed with abundant silky tannins…to age 30+ years.” Makes my lentil dhal sound very boring.

    😁 Penguin, our discussions here have certainly gone beyond the humble lentil. 😄 You mentioned that robins are often pictured on Christmas cards. Here they are associated more with Spring. Many Christmas cards picture the Cardinal, which we don’t have in CA but are common in the Midwest where I grew up. https://www.flickr.com/photos/93962598@N05/11698496335/in/photostream/ Do you have that bird in the UK? What about Cookoo birds? Like the ones on the German cookoo clocks? We don’t have them here, but when we were visiting Italy we could hear them in the garden.

    Thin, that wine with the aromatics of beef blood and sweaty saddle leather? Eww, yukkk! Dump it down the drain! Quick! 😆 We have a lot of wineries all around here and there are the same pretentious wine tastings and tours. Sometimes after a couple glasses of wine they sound more feasible. 😁 We import a lot of Australian wines here. One of the big wine stores Total Wines has pages of them. Besides the common ones like Yellow Tail I don’t know which ones to buy. http://www.totalwine.com/wine/australia/c/000263?storename=1101&page=1

    LJoyce, I’m starting to see more fava beans in the store. I’ll have to look for some recipes and try them. I’m definitely going to be adding more pulses to my meals. I’ve gotten away from them enough that I had the gas reaction to them yesterday. That seems to go away after eating them for a week or so.

    No Cardinals. Cuckoos yes. They summer with us and winter in Africa and to us they are the bird of spring. Most people have never seen one but everyone who lives in the country has heard one. “The first cuckoo in Spring” for us is the sign that the season has really changed and when people still wrote to newspapers they would report hearing it. We have a lot of winter or summer seasonal visitors, mostly regulars but occasionally we get something exotic that was aiming for Siberia and got blown off course. Very rarely we get something that belongs on the other side of the Atlantic.

    Sorry California and Australia, my glass of red this evening came from the Rhone valley. If my French is working it’s name, translated into English, would be “The Pope’s new castle”.

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