Cancer, Cholesterol & IGF-1

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  • My wife has high cholesterol and I have lung cancer which has recently spread to my ribs, spine, sternum and most lymph nodes so I now have nothing to lose by trying the 5:2 diet.

    My wife had had her cholesterol problem for many years she was just above the maximum recommended level. She had followed a strict diet with exercise, we are both vegetarians, she had also been prescribed statins but these made her very ill and she had to stop. We saw the program and have looked at many websites about the 5:2 diet. My wife started first about six weeks ago. The first thing she had done was a test of her cholesterol level and her IGF-1. After five weeks of the diet these tests were repeated and the results were amazing, on the scales used here her cholesterol had dropped by 0.9 which brought her down to a very acceptable level, just in the lower half of the recommended level.

    I was not able to go onto the 5:2 diet right away, my weight was far too low and I was concerned about catching cancer cachexia. About a year ago I had a serious lung infection which resulted in me losing a bit over 10 kgs in about three weeks, it has taken me a year of force feeding myself with food supplements to get my weight back to a safe level. My understanding is that with a high IGF-1 level replication of cells takes place including reproducing the defective ones with all their faults, when the IGF-1 level is reduced to the lower part of the range replication of cells is replaced with repair of existing cells, hopefully this process might get reduce the number of cancer promoting cells that I have.

    My next CT Scan is in about three weeks, on the same day I will have a blood test of my IGF-1. I will also join my wife on the 5:2 diet. The five days will be Monday to Friday and the weekends will be the reduced calorie days. About 9-10 weeks later I’ll be due for another CT Scan and again on the same day I’ll have a test of my IGF-1. Between the start and finish reference points there should be a good indication of how effective the 5:2 diet is for me. Hopefully on the 5 part of the diet I’ll be able to maintain my weight.

    It seems that the term IGF-1 for Insulin Like Growth Factor was coined in the 1930s or maybe earlier, I wonder if with today’s knowledge they might have given it another name. When some people read or hear Insulin Like they lose interest unless they are diabetics. None diabetics tend to miss the fact that this diet could be useful to them.

    I hope that in about ten weeks I’ll be reporting on the beneficial effects of the 5:2 diet in my fight against lung cancer.

    Hi NigelWaring, sorry to read about your Cancer but pleased about your wifes lower cholesterol. I hope you do not mind me making a couple of comments about your situation. First, as a vegetarian please ensure on your fast days your protein intake is sufficient. Secondly, given your illness would you consider informing your doctor that you are going to do this “Fast”?.
    The reason I say this is that you may become a bit of a test case that may help the medical profession understand another facet of the “Fast Diet”. Any improvements to your health may be a pointer to the benefits of fasting.
    In any case I wish you the very best of luck.

    Thanks for your comments Couscous. I was diagnosed three and a half years ago with NSCLC and 13 years ago with Myelodysplasia and have been a vegetarian for more than 30 years. One specialist described me as being mildly obsessive about my protein intake, I am not. Her comments were made because on just two average days I’d listed my protein intake just to check that my intake was adequate. This specialist was generally very rude and seems to have been trained in the days when the patient was kept in the dark, I no longer have any contact with her and now use another. IGF-1 seems to be linked to the amount of protein that you take so on the fast days the idea is to reduce the protein and calories so that the IGF-1 will be lowered. I will be ensuring that my average protein for the seven days is adequate though,I do have the advice of a dietician on this. There is medication available to reduce IGF-1 but the side effects are terrible so I’ll stick to the 5:2 diet and hope that I’m one of those who have the right genes to benefit, have had an analysis of my genes and seem to be in with a good chance. Naturally I have informed my doctor about this, his is particularly interested because he had the cholesterol problem which is far worse than the one that my wife has or hopefully had.

    A friend of mine down in Florida is into weight training, and she’s interested in the diet, but worried that she will not get enough protein when she’s lifting weights, or a loss of energy on her off-days. What knowledge exists in the way of protein intake for muscle building vs. protein affecting IGF-1 production and the IF or CR diets? +Nothing wrong with being obsessive about protein, given the important roles played by those essential amino acids in our health. Hope you’re genes work to your benefit & glad you got your doctor interested – if he has success with his cholesterol problems, as well as your wife, that’s miraculous! Either way, this diet makes sense on so many levels, one can’t go wrong with it.

    I really don’t know much about muscle building but I think it might be related to IGF-1 and Protein, its been studied since about 1930 but the useful stuff has only appeared since about 1990. I find it best to use Google Scholar for searches like this, can’t give you the URL as I try to type it in, it goes to the Australian one but you could try scholar.google.com, you get much better quality searches on things like this.

    We discussed this diet at the cancer support group yesterday and several people mentioned knowing of others who have had cholesterol reducing success with it but none quite as much as my wife.

    Saw the Oncologist yesterday and when we counted the number of days I’m too soon for another CT Scan following this appointment so it will be delayed for three weeks which means sometime around the 20th August which will then be when I start the 5:2 diet. If necessary I’ll increase my protein on the non-fasting days to maintain my weight.

    Just watched this link to a 6 mins 19 secs video on the Fast Diet. I do have the book but this is a very good summary.

    http://thefastdiet.co.uk/the-fast-diet-quickly/

    I have been on the diet for about 4 months now. i find it very easy to manage and have lost several kilos however, was very disappointed when i re-tested my cholesterol and discovered it had remained exactly the same. The main motivation for doing the diet was for health reasons. Any reasons for why this has occurred – given that Michael’s went from 7.2 to 5 in a similar period of time

    Saw Oncologist today, studied all the tests and I’m OK to start the 5:2 diet tomorrow, normally we’ll both do Saturday and Sunday together because it is rare for us to go out at weekend but this one we are traveling. I now have starting benchmarks and hope to reduce my IGF-1 enough to give my C tumor reduction a bit of a nudge, don’t expect any miracles. My wife received her second blood tests this week after another five weeks, the first five weeks her cholesterol dropped by 0.9 but this time it went up by 0.1 she’s still within the safety area though.

    I don’t think we can post pictures here so instead here is a link to photos of my first 5:2 calorie restriction day. I feel that it went well.

    http://nkwaring.blogspot.com.au/p/progress-report-other-events.html

    Hi Nigel, good luck with the diet and your health.

    My IGF-1 was measured a couple of weeks ago but due to a short holiday I’ve only just picked up the results today. In the metric scale they are 24 which is very high equivalent to 180 in the old scale. It seems that I might benefit quite a lot from the 5:2 diet but to be safe I’ll be looking at a few things.

    My weight has been around 75 kg for a few decades. Last year I was in hospital with a lung infection and my weight dropped to 60.2, since then I’ve been on a high protein diet and have managed to increase it back to about 73 kg. Problem is that if I let my weight get too low I could end up with cancer cachexia which is a killer. I now have the quandary, one end of the scale is good for a low IGF-1 readings but bad for cachexia, the other end of the scale is bad for IGF-1 but may avoid cachexia. Do I jump in the frying pan or the fire? All that I can do is wait till my next CT Scan in seven weeks when I’ll have a comprehensive blood test including IGF-1.

    Hi NigelWaring, I’m so sorry that you are dealing with this health crises. I would think that if you keep your calories up on the non-fast days, and keep protein up, you should be able to get the benefits without too much risk of cachexia. glad you are doing your research though. just wanted to wish you good luck in your healing journey. please keep in touch and let us know how you are doing.

    congratulations to your wife on her cholesterol improvement. wouldn’t worry too much about the slight increase. cholesterol values can vary depending on what you ate the day before. I think I’m going to have mine checked always the day after a fast day. LOL.

    blessings and good wishes to you both.

    Thanks MountainMyst, its not really a crisis, it’s under control and finding out about my high IGF-1 explains why I have this slight problem, I think the 5:2 diet is probably the best treatment but will have to wait and see. I take a protein supplement and now over the five days I take the full seven days dose, this seems to be maintaining my weight, it drops with the two day reduced calories but seems to bounce back after the first three days of normal eating. We’ve both come to the same conclusion as you, we have our blood test first thing on Monday morning which is after our two days, I also have my CT Scans at the same time, the two buildings are only a block apart, when its all over we have the luxury of eating breakfast out, sometimes we can see workers rushing for their trains, it’s lovely being retired.

    Hi NigelWaring, so glad it’s under control, and I love your attitude! I think that you are right about this lifestyle being a really good treatment. I’m anxious to see how you get on. keep enjoying not having to rush for a train.

    NigelWaring, I wish you the best of luck with this and I agree with MountainMyst about your attitude and outlook.

    My mother has cancer at the moment. Looks like early stage compared to yours but still not a good prognosis and the surgery is a horrible option without much improvement in outlook. She is older and looking for other ways to hold the cancer back with minimum impact to her quality of life (she is fine apart from knowing she has the disease!). She is doing the 5:2 fast at the moment (and was before she was well before finally diagnosed) and her tumour seems to have grown very slowly compared to others of her cancer type. We can’t determine cause and effect here, but this is positive.

    She is now cutting out sugar totally during her normal (not suggesting you do this!) days from now on and employing as much of the ketogenic diet as she can. The ketogenic diet is also undergoing trials and there may be some crossover with this and fasting. I’ll try to post with updates as things develop here, and look forward to hear your updates. All the best.

    Thanks MrMan100, I use very little sugar, never really had a sweet tooth because I was brought up during WW2 when there wasn’t much sugar around. I only use a sweetener once a day on my rolled oats breakfast and then it is a small amount of Agarve Mixture which is very low G.I. and is supposed to be OK for cancer patients. When I was first diagnosed and put on chemo I was given lots of booklets, mainly from the Australian Cancer Council, they stressed that we should avoid sugar and alcohol along with a few other things, amazing how many people ignored these booklets. During chemo someone often comes around with snacks, most of the time they include sickly sweet cakes or sweets, I pointed out to them that cancer patients shouldn’t eat such things, the last time the lady said “don’t worry, I won’t tell anyone”. If I’d tried to say anything else I would have said all the wrong things so I just said no thanks, I’ll just have a plain black tea.

    I do use one complimentary medicine “Curcumin with Piperine” only because there have been a few small scale clinical trials and it seems to make a very marginal difference to some people. I use the brand Ageless Cures from the USA, its a reasonable price and delivery is about ten days. I go into more details on my blog at http://nkwaring.blogspot.com.au/p/comments-on-turmeric-and-curcumin.html

    Jano, I too have experienced a similar situation in terms of disappointing Cholesterol results, unfortunately I cannot educate you as I’m clueless!

    I have been on the Fast Diet now for approximately 10 weeks although I have had a holiday and a long weekend away in between whereby I didn’t fast.

    I have lost a little over a stone in weight and are only 2lbs off my overall target weight of 9St.

    I literally love the fast diet, I don’t see it as dieting, more of a way of life now that I’m finally in control of my weight. I love how it’s changed my eating habits both on my fast and feast days. I eat so much healthier now that I have a better understanding of the nutritional value of foods.

    At the risk of sounding in denial, I wouldn’t say I was particularly unhealthy or grossly overweight before I started the fast diet, in fact I never really planned on dieting at all it was just a coincidence I saw Michael Mosley on a Sarah Millican show and I was intrigued about who he was.

    Recently I broke my glasses so I had to visit my optician, I would have been due for an eye test within 6 months as my previous test had been done 18 months prior. On completion of the test my optician asked me if I had ever had a Cholesterol Test… I found this a very odd question since I was; 1, only 29 and never considered it to be an issue; 2, on a diet that was likely to reduce my Cholesterol; 3, this was my optician not my doctor!

    It turned out I had a White Line on my Cornea which apparently indicates Cholesterol problems. As she had recommended I visited my doctor who was more than happy to test me for all sorts since I’d never had a blood test before.

    My blood test was taken on Friday morning at 8.30am, I had fasted on Thursday having only eaten my Dinner at 7pm then I had to fast again in readiness for the blood test in the morning!

    The results I received back today have admittedly got me worried – my doctor says I have a greedy Liver! My Bad Cholesterol Level of 7.1 whereby it should be between 3.9 – 5.8 apparently this is considered high. I assured him that my diet was very good and therefore I’m on Medication known as Simvastatin 40mg!

    I’m really frustrated because I have no way of knowing what my Cholesterol level was before I started the fast diet. Also I’m struggling to understand how I got here in the first place. As mentioned I never had any intention of dieting so perhaps it was a little divine intervention that I saw Michael Mosley on the TV that day, otherwise my Cholesterol level would possibly be dangerously high now – who knows!

    I’m on the medication now for 6 months then I have to go back for another Cholesterol test so see if it has gone down. Now that I’m on medication I will never know whether initially bad diet was the cause of it or whether fasting had reduced it at all or in fact contributed…

    Can anybody educate me on LDL Cholesterol and why it would be so high since I’m on the fast diet? The internet is overwhelming… HELP…

    I also had a problem with my eyes, it was difficulties with peripheral vision and a specialist found that it was related to cholesterol in the small veins of my eyes. A course of low dose Lipitor soon fixed it and I now get good peripheral vision. I certainly didn’t need Lipitor because my cholesterol has been hovering between 3.8 and 4.0 for years.

    Josie, it appears that high cholesterol is linked to insulin resistance, along with lots of other things. It may mean you need to look at that more carefully. Dr Jason Fung has done a lot of work on this, and published lots of good videos, plus he has a blog. There is a thread on this board about ‘reversing type 2 diabetes and the fastest lifestyle’ which gives links to some of his stuff.
    Even though you are not diabetic I think it would be worth a read, to watch some of the videos and then maybe chatting to your doc about other tests.
    Medical thinking in this field is changing and so different doctors have differet ideas, but according to Dr Fung and others the conventional ‘healthy’ diet of low fat and high carbs is the culprit. You may just be exceptionally sensitive to it.

    Excuse any typos! Written on my phone!

    Hi there, have just come across this website. Also have cancer and on an estrogen blocker which is adding to my weight no matter what I do, so am wanting to try the 5:2 fasting and see how that affects me. How have you been doing on it?

    Hi alex:

    Dr. Longo is researching fasting’s effects on cancer. This will give you a basic introduction you can pursue if it is of interest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGafhm1cuSI

    https://news.usc.edu/29428/fasting-weakens-cancer-in-mice/

    Thanks for the info, will definitely read up on it.

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