Started today with a 3.5 day fast

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  • Hello,
    I am well into my first day of my 3.5 day fast, only black coffee and water so far.

    14.5 stones and 5ft9, I aim for 12 stones and think it will take a month.

    Fingers crossed!

    Hi david:

    Do I understand you hope to lose 35 pounds in one month?

    Hi, yes, you understood that correctly. I have lost such weight in similar time before. This time I am doing the 5:2 and hope it’s more doable than my previous methods.

    Have you had good results yourself?

    Thanks.

    davidfitness, I just lost 40 pounds in 40 weeks with 5:2 + walking more; I thought a pound a week was terrific weight loss, although in fact it is average for 5:2; I do not think anyone has managed a pound a day weight loss with it. Since a pound of fat represents ~ 3500 calories, and most of us need less than that to fuel our bodies for an entire day, it would mean eating little or nothing plus engaging in quite a bit of vigorous physical activity. Every. Single. Day. If you’ve done it before, my hat’s off to you, but I don’t think you can expect 5:2 to get you there. I don’t think it’s a particularly healthy goal for most people, to tell you the truth. Maybe for someone who’s morbidly obese, under close medical supervision.

    Hi Franfit,
    Thanks for your input. Last year I did intermittent fasting, and lost 15 kilos in two months, by walking a lot and almost living off fresh Italian espresso/americano black.
    40/40 is really impressive, my hat off to you sir!

    I think the diet is very helpful but only with exercise will it work, this is my opinion. The hormones Irisin is increased with moderate exercise(walking) and for me that’s the key.

    But every person has different metabolisms, and mine gets really high when i move around all day.

    Diet and walking..that’s the secret.

    whats the hurry? this can lead to other medical problems now or in later years? 1-2 pounds is sustainable and safer. Think long term

    No proof of long-term side-effects. In fact it’s very good to lose a lot of weight fast. There is strong evidence of that.

    I want to lose my belly, improve my liver and reduce visceral fat…asap.

    David:

    The longest documented fast is a little over a year, and the man lost 23 pounds a month on average.

    A way to estimate how much you can lose would be to take your TDEE, multiply by 30 and divide by 3500. That will give you how much fat you might expect to lose in a month if you do not eat anything at all. Now you might lose a bit more if you add water weight loss, but you would gain that right back after the fast when you drink a few glasses of water.

    So you would have to get your TDEE up to somewhere over 4000 when you start, and keep it above 3500 for the entire month to have a chance – if you ate no food at all. If you are going to do 5:2, then you will be eating food 7 days a week, so your TDEE will really have to be in the 5000-6000 range. Few athletes training for the Olympics have TDEEs that high.

    You say you have done it before, but obviously you did not keep the weight off. So I guess whatever you did wasn’t helpful in the long run.

    I think you are pursuing a course of action that will be unhelpful for your long term weight loss goals, and perhaps unhealthy, too.

    I don’t bother with TDEE’s that’s far too stressful. stress raises cortisol,and causes weight gain.
    Well I have lost 20 kilos very fast and somehow my body adapts very fast to diets, and after 2 weeks I always notice fast drop in weight, my belly disappears fast.

    Weight-loss is a passion of mine and I always say..Horses for courses.

    Don’t forget the role of Irisin in burning fat.

    What evidence is there that rapid weight loss is healthy?

    Studies seem to show that rapid weight loss (i.e. a crash diet) leads to subsequent weight gain, and up-yo dieting, and does not in fact lead to long term maintenance of a lower weight.

    If you are indeed interested in the health benefits of intermittent fasting (as you suggest) then you must realise that this is a ‘long game’ and not something you do for two months only.

    Your statement “weight loss is a passion of mine”, together with your aim of rapid weight loss, appears to suggest that you enjoy the ongoing challenge of losing as much weight as quickly as possible? And keeping the weight off is perhaps not a priority? If you truly embrace 5:2, then I’m afraid you will need to find another hobby! Perhaps “maintaining a healthy weight is a passion of mine” might be more appropriate?

    There is also contradicting evidence that say fast weight loss is dangerous, it’s all old myths. It is better to lsoe fast than to take forever, as you are putting tremendous strain on joints and organs by being very overweight.

    Keep the new weight for 6 months and it stays off long term.

    I didn’t say two months only. But i have a goal and one needs a goal. I have done it a few times before without having a long term plan.

    @davidfitness46

    “There is also contradicting evidence that say fast weight loss is dangerous, it’s all old myths.”

    I tend to agree with you from my own personal experience in my teens.

    While in collegiate wrestling, I would weigh about 165 lb off season, and reduce to 133lb to 138lb for my weight class. I remember the first week of training, I could lose 10lb. The rest took longer for a month or so, in time for the inter school competitions.

    It was strenuous training, for a couple of hours each day (with one day off), and some fasting involved with a strict lo cal diet. It’s doable.

    That was then, in my youth.

    I have maintained my health, and now have a weight of 190lb.

    If I were to have the same training experience today, as I did then, I would settle for 170lb or so. I’ve just started doing 36 hour fasts twice a week to fit into my schedule without compromising my lifestyle.

    I believe that it would be healthy and safe to do what you intend to do from your past experience.

    Keep us informed on your progress.

    Hi Mr Balboa!

    Thanks for your reply. Not often do I come across someone with such an open mind as you, normally people jump on me…ouch!

    Yes,the reason must be that the body has it’s own set-point, and everyone is different….physiologically especially. So what worked for you won’t with someone else here that disagrees with me.

    I see the wrestling as the cataylst for your weight loss, and like I mentioned earlier..Irisin caused your brown fat to melt the white fat away.

    So your ideal weight is about 165, are you about 5ft7? I am 5ft 9 and weight now about 210 pounds and aim for 170 and a bodyfat% of 9.

    How do u find the 36 hour fasts?

    Thanks.

    @davidfitness46

    “How do u find the 36 hour fasts?”

    I’ve just started my dual 36 hour fasts. I have been inconsistent with 5:2 for about 8 months, by fasting on weekends. That was a challenge for me.

    I then fasted for four consecutive days during a work week and proved to myself that it was doable with not much effort and some considerations.

    I did dual 48 hour fasts and that collided with my social life. So now, I’m finding that fasting Mo-Tu and Th-F may be the sweet spot, so to speak.

    At 5’11”, I’m targeting 180lb and then maybe 170lb to find a balance that fits for me.

    It’s a journey.

    I found the 3 day/72 hour fast great, and my belly disappeared as if by magic!
    I will do it again very soon.

    David, just one point, you are saying you did it before a couple of times, which means you gained the weight back? As you rightly say, horses for courses, if it works for you then good luck.
    I would just be worried that the moment you stop this drastic approach all the weight will come back, and that can not be healthy either?
    Let us know how you get on. I will follow it with interest!
    Stef.

    Stef,

    Thanks for writing. I of course lost weight doing the 3 day fast, it was a method devised to reduce IGF-1 levels and to increase glucose sensitivity. I did not follow it up with the 5:2 fast diet, but instead tried different diets out.

    A drastic weight loss if followed up by a weight maintenance program, is advised, sadly the only method that helped me was walking a lot more and following an intermittent fasting diet.

    My weight came back due to depression in the winter actually, where I lack energy to exercise and this is mental issue of mine (ASD)

    There is no doubt that intermittent fasting is the way to go, but it takes discipline, not unlike any other method, but it has science backing it up.

    You are interested? Normally nobody is interested in what I do, but thanks 🙂
    David.

    Yes David, as you can see I come back to your thread and I am always interested in different approaches!

    As said though, sustainability is a huge factor when it comes to maintenance! So anything drastic might be tricky to keep up. I find even 5:2 tricky to keep up for life.

    Best of luck
    Stef.

    Stef,
    you only need to fast one day a week for maintenance, I will follow both methods..4:3 and 5:2. But you haven’t followed it for life, so how do you know?

    BTW i study nutrition and diets and read countless factual books, so i am well aware of the difficult side of dieting, but sadly there is no one diet.Yet Intermittent fasting has studies performed on it’s usefulness and it’s definitely long term.

    David

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