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  • Hi, everyone! I am considering starting this program. I wouldn’t be able to fully start until next week as my schedule won’t allow two days of fasting this week, only one. I’m a 24yo female, and right now i’m about 260 lbs (about 118kg) and about 5’5″ (165 cm). I know, I have a lot to loose. The big problems i’ve had with other diets and lifestyle changes is that they’re extremely difficult for me to stick with constantly, which is something that I like about 5:2, that at least at first I only really have to use my willpower on two days (i know that you can’t go crazy on NFDs, but i really don’t eat that poorly, at least compared to other people I know). I also have digestion problems, so most diets want you to eat a ton of food which I like, like kale, broccoli etc, but eating a lot (or really any) of these foods tends to upset my stomach and I don’t live a life when I can just go to the bathroom whenever I want, because of my job (it upsets my stomach already and they get really mad at me if I use the bathroom a lot, even though I’m never just going for fun :/). I’m not sedentary, although I’m planning on upping my exercise soon. I’m a cashier at a grocery store, which means that I stand for 4 hours or more (it’s usually over 5 hours, sometimes up to 7 and a half) and during that time I’m almost always moving, either by ringing up groceries (involves a lot of arm movement and moving back and forth to bag) or by pacing while I’m not working (i have foot problems so it hurts more to stand in one place, and it’s very boring). I almost always meet my step goals when I work. The job is very stressful (people are not nice) and with the physicality, I end up very much looking forward to my break and a nice little meal (usually a sandwich, yogurt, sparkling water or chocolate milk, sometimes a treat), plus I get more irritable when I’m hungry and that’s not good for a customer service job. So I can’t do what most people seem to do, which is fast on work days. It’s likely i’d pass out. So that leaves me with just the days where I’m not working, which is usually 3-4 days of the week. I guess because of my stomach problems I should stick to lean protein like chicken, and broths (along with tea) for fasting days? Maybe I’d eat some veggies for breakfast so the effect doesn’t bleed over into the next day? When I’m home i’m not too concerned with bathroom use although it’s still annoying.

    I’m probably going to take half doses of my supplements on fast days as they have caloric amounts (probably because they are gummies but i can’t take them any other way) but the thing I’m stuck on the most right now is that I’ve been eating two servings of yogurt a day for probiotics, and while it’s been significantly helping my digestion issues (yay!), I wouldn’t be able to eat it on fast days. I’m considering getting a supplement, but I also just found that my job sells a 6 pack of my favorite yogurt in 100 calorie cups, and since it’s whole fat and low sugar with an okay amount of protein, it might be satiating enough to use as a portion of my fasting days. I’ll have to see. I am happy with the fact that I only have to do in-depth meal planning and grocery shopping for two days in the week, as I live with my mom and don’t make much money so I don’t control the food in the house.

    Anyways, sorry for the long post. If you actually read it all, thanks! If you have any advice or great recipe links for fasting days, let me know! My current fasting day allowance is 671 calories, based on the calculator provided. I might buy the official book next week when I have a bit more money. I’m cautiously hopeful 🙂 Maybe I will join September’s challenge!

    Hi,

    Take a look at this

    https://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/the-basics-for-newbies-your-questions-answered/

    If I were you I would aim to eat a more balanced diet and quit the supplements. If you wish to continue to take them, do so on non FDs only.
    As for the probiotic yoghurt it would be better to continue with it every day rather than switch to capsules which I don’t believe are as effective as the real thing.
    You should also be aiming for 500 calories on FDs as it is something you can stick to throughout your weight loss without having to cut it down as you lose weight.

    Don’t worry about how much or little exercise you do as exercise has much less of an effect on weight loss than we would like to think.

    Good luck and let us know how you get on.

    Hello and welcome,
    Think of this as a way of life rather than a diet. You can’t out run your fork, so look at what you eat and see what positive swaps you can make. If you consume fizzy drinks(soda) then that is the first thing to give up. I gave up sugar in my tea after 40+ years and although I moaned for a week, I don’t think about it now and it has really helped me to avoid sugary food. Avoid processed food. Perhaps you can sit down with your mum and menu plan together.
    It might help to keep a food diary for a week of all that you eat and drink so that you can see where you could make a healthier swap. Avoid anything ‘diet’ or ‘low fat’ as they are often full of sugar. Have a look at your overall sugar consumption both hidden and in plain sight, then see what you can do to reduce it.

    Amazon- Thanks! I will probably just not take the supplements on FDs then. I would love to eat a more balanced diet but due to my digestion issues and how much a balanced diet costs to maintain i will probably keep taking them on NFDs. I also don’t get to control much of the food in my house. I’ll try and eat a portion of fish and veggies on FDs to try and get my omega-3 and nutrients in, since i’d be lacking otherwise. I think that I will definitely keep trying to eat the yogurt. I think if I keep eating 2 servings on NFDs, only eating one small 100 calorie serving on FDs will still give me the benefits i need. It’d probably have to be my breakfast (which I’ll try to hold off as long as possible as I’ve heard that’s easier). I’ll try to find a no-calorie tea in my collection to drink first thing in the morning as I usually drink coffee but am more likely to be able to drink a good tea with no additions. I will definitely aim for the 500 within a few weeks. I’ll try doing 600 for the first test day this week. I wonder if it would be easier to cut out a few more calories, like 25 less each fasting day until I reach 500, or to just cut the remaining 500 all at once?

    annette52- I occasionally drink soda, but mostly I drink still water, milk, or a sparkling water with no sugar or anything (how they make it taste good is a mystery but oh well). I now drink significantly less than I did originally, but since i still didn’t drink that much beforehand, I haven’t really seen any change. In fact I’ve still gained weight consistently since cutting soda. This is one of the frustrating things for me, that I don’t eat THAT poorly. I’m not eating fast food every meal. My sugar consumption is probably the worst part of my diet, I will admit that. I’m trying to do a few positive swaps, like buying a healthier snack for my breaks. I already avoid diet and low fat things (hence the whole fat yogurt). I’m hoping that 5:2 will help me actually start moving the scale, which maybe will make it easier for me to get into a mentality that will help me make better choices in order to keep making progress

    Welcome to the forum, quietrebellion. I agree with Amazon on dropping some of those supplements. Gummies are candy and if you take a lot of them, that could be a pretty heavy dose of sugar. Better to concentrate on getting your nutrients from food.

    The basic 5:2 diet is 500 calories on each of 2 fast days (FD) and controlled eating the other 5 days. You mention that you don’t eat poorly now, compared to the other people you know. Are the other people you know all thin people? We’re often attracted to other overweight people who share our food preferences (eating can be a social activity) so other people aren’t always a good gauge of healthy eating. And unless you are with them 24 hours a day, you don’t know what they are eating the rest of the time. I’m sure you’ve heard the saying, “If you keep doing what you’ve always done, you’ll keep getting the same results that you’ve always got.” This is very true in terms of eating. You will likely have to make changes to what you eat on a daily basis.

    You mention that it’s likely that you’d pass out by restricting your calories on a fast day. This is not normal! I would suggest going to your doctor before you start to make sure you don’t have a medical condition that needs to be addressed before you begin any diet.

    The 5:2 diet isn’t very difficult but it almost always requires changes to the way a person has been eating if they’re too heavy or obese. Being overweight isn’t healthy. I was able to cut down my blood pressure medication to about 1/4 of what I had been taking prior to the 5:2 in less than 2 months. I’m hoping I’ll be able to discontinue it altogether after a few more pound lost. I’m cranky on some fast days and also on some of the non-fast days. I learn to deal with it. I’m in a job that requires a lot of public contact as well and sometimes I just have to suck it up and pretend that I’m happier than I really am. Sometimes the crankiness has to do with factors other than eating that I have to deal with. Being fat and unhealthy is no longer an option for me. Being thin feels good! I’ve had to make changes but the results are so worth it. I hope you come to the same conclusion.

    CalifDreamer- If i could take supplements in any other form I would, but I tend to throw up pill form vitamins. I learned this the hard way, lol. I guess I should clarify that by “other people” i meant generally, like the Standard American Diet, and all the people you see on shows about weight loss. I don’t really actually have many friends, and the people I am around most are my mom, who has approximately the same habits as me, and my boyfriend, who is overweight but not obese but eats far more than I do. We are going to try and work out together. Other than them, the only other two people I’ve really hung out regularly with were actually very skinny, and definitely ate better than me, so they weren’t really in that generalization lol. I don’t even really see them anymore. As for passing out, that’s only if I tried to fast on days where I have work. I don’t anticipate it being a problem if I fast on a day where I don’t do much. It’s just that I don’t feel that not eating while standing for hours on end and moving constantly is a good combination. I am definitely planning to change as much as I can, within my limitations. I will be starting college/university again in the fall and the school I just transferred to has a nutritionist on staff. I’ll try to meet with them, and it should be a little easier to eat healthier on school days (which will probably be NFDs since i have issues focusing already, but it’ll depend on my work schedules).

    Quietrebellion, do you eat plain yougurt, without any fruit (and sugar) added to it? Most sweetened yogurts aren’t much different than eating ice cream. And most store bought yogurts have many of the helpful probiotics killed off by pasteurization, so they can package them. Have you considered making your own? Kefir is another dairy product with lots of helpful probiotics in it. It’s easier to ferment at home on your own because it’s a lot less temperature sensitive that yogurt during the fermenting stage. All you need is a couple of empty jars and some starter grains to get started. You can purchase kefir at many grocery stores to see if you like it.

    Keep in mind that milk, yogurt and kefir all contain natural sugars. Lactose is a milk sugar made up of galactose and glucose. A lot of the lactose is eaten up by the bacteria in fermented products, but not all of it. That’s why people who are lactose intolerant can often eat yogurt or kefir. I always feel a little hungry after drinking kefir for just this reason.

    Sugar makes you hungry, pure and simple. Restricting calories is MUCH easier when you’re not eating added sugar.

    No, because I find it unpalatable. I try and make sure that my yogurts are as low sugar as they can be. The brand I eat the most because it’s cheapest is about 15g, which while not ideal, is less than ice cream. My favorite brand, which is slightly more expensive but probably better for me, has less. The 100 calorie packs i found have 9g of sugar, which i think is very low for a non-plain yogurt. I don’t mind kefir, but I don’t buy it often because of price but I’ll look into making my own. I definitely would be cutting added sugar on fasting days, just by the nature of the restrictions. There’s lots of stuff I don’t think i could ever completely give up, at least not where I am now, for the fact that it is cheap, easy to prepare, doesn’t use up a lot of my limited mental energy stores, and tastes good. It’s hard to eat healthy when doing so would take up about half of your weekly paycheck, with bills to pay on top of that :/ which is why I say this would be good for me because it should only raise my grocery bills a little and expend only a little bit more energy. Hopefully I can lose a little weight or my energy levels will get better as I do this and I should feel more motivated to expend energy at least, if not money.

    In the end this has just been a reminder that i’m fat because i’m depressed and poor and i’m depressed and poor because i’m fat and it’s not a cycle i can break out of right now. I’ll try to do this but i won’t post on the forums until i’ve gotten some results. thanks for your replies, you’ve been helpful but it’s just not the place for me right now

    Are fresh vegetables really that expensive where you live? I tend to buy veggies from local markets. There are two that set up every Sunday, one in a local school and the other at a local sports ground. Is there anything like that near you? Give up one “bad choice” food and replace it with a healthy one. Up to you which one it is. Chocolate milk for real milk? No sugar in your coffee if you drink coffee. Drop one poor selection and replace it with something healthy. Good luck.

    Hi quietrebellion,

    I hope this way of eating helps you lose weight. I too have been obese and losing that weight was a long battle.

    While I wish you had a healthier diet I understand the pressure of a tight budget and the problems an uncertain bowel can cause. I have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)and I found that my bowel problems slowly improved as I lost weight, making it easier to make dietary changes. But making those changes slowly is wisest when you don’t know what impact it will have. I personally found that increasing my fibre content made the most difference, but the answer is different for everyone so it may take time to find solutions that help you. I agree with the earlier advice of making one good change at a time.

    If there are any vegetables and fruits that you can safely eat without upsetting your digestive system then then try to include them daily so that you have less reliance on supplements. It doesn’t matter if you can’t eat all veg and fruit just try to include some of those you can daily. I stick largely to things that are in season and local (if possible) as they have the best flavour and are the cheapest options. Sometimes I will use frozen veg as there are times of year when that is the cheapest option, especially with veg such as peas and beans.

    I too used to prefer sweetened fruit yoghurt but over time I slowly moved to plain greek yoghurt and now kefir (which is the cheapest option of all if you make it yourself). Initially I mixed plain yoghurt with either fresh or stewed fruit – it was definitely less sweet than the commercial yoghurts but I adapted and began to like it that way. Then I slowly reduced the fruit until I liked the plain yoghurt too. Basically it was a case of weaning myself off of the sugar slowly. Even if you just get to the point of always having a piece of fruit mixed with yoghurt or kefir, that would still be a healthy improvement and the fruit would give you vitamins and fibre as well.

    If you haven’t already done so, go to the “how it works” link at the top of the page and work out your TDEE. You need to stay under this on the days you aren’t fasting.

    On the fast days I recommend planning food for the times of day that you know you are hungriest. For me that is afternoon and evening – I don’t eat breakfast or lunch on fast days. This is a very personal choice, as I know others who really need some food in the morning. Your suggestion of broth is a good one. It can be filling and warming without adding many calories. You do need some protein on fast days and if possible include some vegetables. I usually make sure I have enough calories for a piece of fruit on fast days as well.

    I hope this goes well for you.

    Hi quietrebellion,

    I just remembered one more thing that might be helpful. You mentioned that you can’t keep supplements in tablet form down, and I wondered if you were trying to take them on an empty stomach.

    Certain supplements used to cause me to vomit if I took them on an empty stomach – any supplement containing iron, calcium or vitamin c caused this reaction.
    I found that the only way to avoid this and to take the supplements safely was to take them in the middle of a meal. The cushioning of food around the tablets while they break down made all the difference.

    If you can keep other tablets down but it’s just the multi-vitamin that is causing problems, then this might be an option worth trying. Tablet form is usually a much cheaper option than the gels, so if there’s a way to take them that may be useful.

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