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I like that idea, PVE! There’s a thread on the MSE site on the same subject, where people are making all sorts of excuses.
Our forced meal out last night was terrible. A pub with no white wine, then no pate, which three had ordered. To cap it all, I discovered that the ‘chef’ was probably the worst girl I have ever had in my class.
We’re struggling for tonight, as the plumber manage ref to break our kitchen tap. I’ve ordered a new one, which eill be fitted tomorrow. I think a take-away between is will have to do tonight.
Agreed,P. Up to a point. The question is, is it nature or nurture? I would say a bit of each, although nurture probably accounts for a very large proportion. I felt huge sympathy for the wee Spanish girl at the next table, as one who had also been grossly overfed by obese parents. I wasn’t fed junk, but what could be called healthy home cooking. The problem lay in the humungous portions.
With fatty and skinny living together, it would depend whether skinny was a former fatty who,like so many of us on here, had relearned how to eat healthily, or one of those fortunate so-and-sos (we have several in our family) who are whippet thin and could eat for England, or indeed for Australia. 😉
I just get frustrated when I eat out with a group of people and watch their choices. The fatter ones often bemoan that they put on weight by just “looking at food”, as they order a bowl of chips “on the side” 😐
Fat does “run in families”, but why are both husband and wife, and all the kids fat? 90% is life choices.
I know I now eat much more as I did when I was skinny (all my younger days).
As a tiny little thing, like you Herm, every extra pound is harder to hide, isn’t it? Extra height hides a lot!
P
I think people’s perception of an appropriate portion is way out of whack. Even mine. Ive never counted calories and since getting to my self imposed “correct” weight Ive been thinking I really don’t eat a lot. In my own mind Ive been thinking I don’t even eat up to my TDEE of 2000 Cal. So I added up the calories I had eaten today and 2000 Cal is NOT A LOT of food. Breakfast was two table spoons of high fat yogurt, handful of almonds and berries. Lunch, 100g tuna + salad. Packet of roasted beans for a snack. Two coffees with milk. Dinner was 300g (small bowl) of veggie curry (NO RICE). Two handfuls of almonds for a snack. Guess what? It was 2000 Cal.
If I placed everything I had on one large plate I doubt it would have occupied as much space as one generous pub meal serving. Which makes me suspect people are having their TDEE just in one meal every time they go out.
PVE, I think the concept of “I just have to look at food and I put on weight” comes about because people have no idea about portion size anymore. If you throw in things like cakes, ice cream, chocolate bars as in between snacks I can easily see how people are eating 4000 Cal, not realising it and thinking to themselves, but I hardly eat anything.
I am another little one, 5’3″ on a stand-up tall. My TDEE is just under 1500 and I struggled to eat up to it even in the early days of 5:2. We have found that dispensing with breakfast has been the best thing ever. I eat bran flakes or porridge with fruit at about 1pm.
We went out again last night, no water in the kitchen. I had a Greek salad with hummus and OH had small fish and chips. Neither of us finished it.
A dear friend is visiting today and it’s our last chance to get together before her very big birthday, so I shall take her out for lunch. I sound like a spoiled princess, moaning about eating out! The sooner we have a functioning kitchen the better.
Pol
A more truthful interpretation of “I only have to look at food” might be “I can’t overdo it without piling on pounds”. In other words, totally miscalculating – or ignoring – your TDEE.
Time was when a weekend with the m-i-l meant returning home half a stone (just over 3 kilos) heavier and feeling distinctly unwell. Refusal of yet another helping was seen as unkindness and ingratitude. M-i-l (lucky woman) seemed to remain fairly slim. Maybe she saved the gargantuan feasts for her baby boy and his stroppy other half and ate modestly when on her own. Thankfully, for a variety of reasons I no longer have to deal with this situation. Those post-visit pounds would simply stick, or at best take about six months to lose.
You are right, P, about the extra pound showing on a little body. For our taller sisters, a bit of extra weight makes them “Junoesque”, goddesslike, whereas for us wee ones it just makes us fat. I have to say it is a pleasure to catch myself in the mirror and see a nearly-slim little person and no longer a small pile of blubber.
I’m waiting for the plumber now, PVE. I’ve loaded the new cupboards with the stuff which had been stashed in both spare rooms, put loads of out of date stuff in the bin! And we could still withstand a siege!
Herm, I feel the same about catching sight of myself in the mirror, thinking ‘Is that really me?’ The strange thing is that I’ve lost most from my legs and stomach. I wish I’d measured my thighs before starting.
Just having a mug of green tea while waiting now. It’s Fortnum & Masons, dead posh, that someone passed on to me.
Hermaj, take heart: the ‘apron’ remains, even if you end up proper skinny – just made of loose skin instead of fat, and without shoulders or boobs to admire – just bony clavicles and spaniel ears. No harm in hanging onto a bit of plumpth if you have gorgeous shoulders and cleavage, as long as you’re healthy.
Having been skinny most of my life (my extra 4stone went on in my 40s and 50s) my thrill, now that it’s gone, is catching sight, not of a ‘new me’ but the ‘real me’ restored. But I still find myself wondering who that old dear is…..
I do, I do, P ! Just trying to find the silver lining for our friend herm! When it comes right down to it, the improved quality of life which comes with being a healthy weight is so much more important than clavicles, covered, bony or whatever…(And actually I quite like my bony clavicles, though less sure about the spaniel ears…)
Just had supper with friends, one of whom has had T2D for as long as I’ve known her – injects insulin at the meal table. Her GP has suggested – and promised support for – 6 weeks of ultra low-cal diet to reverse T2D. Not quite 5:2, but going in the right direction – he has warned her that it will be hard, but assured her it is possible. Just that acknowledgement is progress!
I’ll keep them all, as long as I can stay slim!
Fast day tomorrow, so time to mount my broomstick and get to bed – always easier if I’m not tired, I find. Think I shall succumb to Calendar and temperature (suddenly dropped 10deg) and spend part of the day wardrobe sorting – t shirts, sandals and cropped jeans away, proper jeans, jumpers, boots and duffel coat to the fore.. The busyness should keep me warm, and
take my mind off fasting, till I’m allowed my low-cal version of fish pie (made two today – one version for fast day, one for feast day. Must make sure I don’t get them muddled….)
Fast,
I hope you wake rested and ready for your fast.
My weight is fairly stable at the moment but I fasted yesterday anyway, in advance of a weekend of socialising.
Loved the atoms! I think they probably can take the blame for everything, in a way!
And as for chokes…it’s certainly what my OH offers to do to our cockerel on a regular basis!
Oh, I wish this forum had a thanks button and a quote button: it would make it so easy to respond to each other, especially when I’ve slept the night away while you lot down under have been chatting! 😀😀
I agree that the flabby gut won’t disappear. And my damn bingo wings were bad enough before, now they’re flappy like mad.
I was pleased to find that my week of eating out, OK and drinking wine, has resulted in just 1 & 1/2 pounds on. As long as I stay within my 3lb window I’m happy. Great lunch yesterday, early bird so smaller portions and that’s all I ate all day.
Happynow, that’s excellent news that you’ve maintained for 2.5 years. That’s where I went wrong before, 20 years ago now. Couldn’t stop losing, then gradually put it back on. The F Plan didn’t change attitudes.
No i don’t have chokes Fast but do have plenty of atoms😊!
Ok down here thanks Purple but it’s been diabolical. No power yesterday for 8 hours for us and we’re all electric so bit of a nuisance.
Not half as bad as the poor devils trying to get home from work though, no trains, trams, traffic lights, petrol. People stuck in lifts, shopping centres, car parks – crazy stuff! Still really windy and wet, seems no end is nigh!
Oh well, not being able to cook helps with fasting 😄
I’m enjoying everyone’s typos. The beautiful Spanish city in which we have just spent several happy and informative days goes by the name of Merida. How easy it is for hopeless typists like me to interpret it as Mierda which as all you Hispanophiles know means “s**t”.
Fast, I’m happy to hang on to my beautiful shoulders – less bothered about cleavage – as the odd few pounds (OK a stone(ish), or 6 kilos) – I’m still in the rudest of health. Of course, whoever regulates these things could still have sinister plans for me.
Thank you for the “excellent combo” P. 🙂 Let me return the compliment. During our last meeting, as we left the Pump Room in Bath with you walking ahead of me, the view from behind was of a very young, very slim woman fresh out of uni. From the front,the view is of a lovely slender lady just a few years down the line.
Oh, what a day! New tap fitted – great. Water on, test washing machine – wouldn’t work. We tried everything in the booklet, including OH lying on the floor trying to adjust levels while shouting at me to hold spirit level steady.
We eventually called out a man, who quickly discovered a bung left in the pipe.
We were intending to have a home cooked meal tonight, ratatouille, but we’ve painted the kitchen and stripped part of a wall in the dining room, so shattered.
Herm I’ll be in Bath from the 10th to the 13th. Looking forward to another visit to the Pump Rooms.
They don’t have plumbing problems in the Pump Rooms, Polly! ☺ Thanks Herm…I don’t intend to do anything about the face. Aussie sun, time and Celtic skin all show! 😊😊
I hope you were still ok in the second storm last night, Carol. Lucky we know how to survive a famine. 🤔
Eating day and a long weekend away. Woohoo! P
Good pick up on the pun, there, PVE. Al well now and we did make a dead quick ratatouille! It was delicious. Just the ratatouille with a piece of bread to mop up, from Mimi’s recipe book. Previously we’d have had a big baked potato with it.
I am amazed to find that I seem to have lost 2.5 lbs overnight. Digestive tract and very strenuous work stripping that wallpaper yesterday, I suppose. That’s a pound under target, so I’ll allow myself some wine tomorrow, as I’ll still be stripping this morning and putting the lining paper on tomorrow.
I haven’t heard about these storms. Where are you, Carol?
Oh, heck! Poor things. We’ve just done a tour of the Deep South of the USA. There were loads of Aussies on the trip, including a lovely couple from SA. The woman had the same unusual name as me. They were all great company.
Oh, definitely weigh after a we and after shaving your legs, as a colleague used to say! 😜😃
Last week I lost another pound, so under target. I have relaxed a bit, so looks like a 3lb gain today.
Out with U3A yesterday, lunch included. My so-called lite-bite was very generous. I decided I was not going to eat again, but had a marmite and salad sandwich at 10pm. Whole meal, small loaf, but still felt a bit bloated.
We’ll be so glad when we can get back to normal, with a kitchen and routine. Bit worried about being somewhere on half board next week. It was easy on the American trip, as I like to skip breakfast anyway. I think that eating at 8am will have me hungry by 3pm.
How’s everyone doing?
Enjoy your summer, PVE! We’re just getting an autumnal feel here. Cold in the morning, but not bad the rest of the day. The house has been cold, though, with back door open most of the time for workmen. OH is just finishing off the painting in the dining room, after the plumber’s lads moved the radiator into the correct spot.
I’m going to fast today and Sunday, but no wine tomorrow either, in prep for next week. One of the friends on the same trip has been dieting, lost 3.5 stone, so hopefully we can support each other.
Unfortunately my brother-in-law is coming for the weekend. He drinks like a fish, when someone else is paying, so OH will be tempted to go along with him on the wine.
Seems I’ve been logged out for a while, don’t know how 😁
Looking for something to watch on the TV last night and stumbled across a fairly old doco of MM and 5:2. I find its always heartening to hear MM speak again on the benefits of 5:2. He’s such a natural down to earth sort of person and reinforces for me my reasons for fasting.
Congrats on reaching target weight Polly!
After a big loss immediately after getting home from OS for no apparent reason, I now find I’m consistently up a bit and not even getting my usual results after a FD. I recall you once saying to me Purple that sometimes the way our bodies behave can’t be explained. I just keep reminding myself of that lol.
I also weigh post wee and before anything by mouth. 😊
Good weekend everyone!
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