Hi LJoyce, your post about T2 and its reversal confirms the research that has been going on for some time now. Dr Roy Taylor at Newcastle University on Tyneside, Northumbria (40 mins drive from my home) has researched the effects of diet on T2 for some years. The press call it “The Newcastle Diet”. He confirms that our diet and the foods we eat impact on our health and in some cases T2 can be reversed by diet alone.
I believe the food supplements used in the programme can only be obtained on medical prescription for patients undergoing the treatment. Michael Mosley produced his “Blood Sugar Diet” books based on Dr Taylors research, again confirming the impact food has on our health.
Can I draw your attention to recently published research carried out in Scandanavia which has proposed classifying 5 types of the disease rather than 2 types.
The Lancet, Diabetes and Endocrinologyl published the research. It can be found on the following site. http://www.livescience.com/61917-diabetes-five-types.
The research suggests classifying both types of diabetes into 5 clusters within the diagnosis to aid drug treatment.
An interesting study, for information only at this stage for sufferers of T1 and T2.
Good luck out there.

Treatment of type two with diet has been around for quite a while. Here’s a TED talk from 2015 on reversal from a medical doctor in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ

Mom was usually right, even about broccoli, but I still don’t like it.

I have just received an email from “Healthspan” an organisation from which we have occasionally bought vitamin supplements. Apparently breakfast is the most important meal of the day, and I should buy vitamin, mineral and glucosamine enhanced yoghurts and vitality protein coffee! I can get my mind round enhanced yoghurt, but what is vitality protein coffee? Rhetorical question, don’t bother answering, I’m not buying either.

Very interesting, Cinque! Thank you for posting that.

Ccco, if you come across some info on that, lease post the links here. I frequently have trouble sleeping on FD. I wonder if this could be the cause.

Hello
Michael Mosley made A TV programme for the BBC about sleep.
One of the tips for better sleep was to take a prebiotic before bed time.
I was initially horrified by the cost, but then found a well reviewed more affordable product.
I don’t remember to take a capsule every night, but every time I do take one, I either sleep longer, or I can get back to sleep very easily – net result is that end of sleep is hours later than usual.
Must remember to forget to take one tonight – 5:30am train trip tomorrow 🙂

Re the article “when we lose weight where does it go?”
I’m not sure I buy into this one. Firstly it talks about conservation of matter, which I have never heard of – conservation of energy I would have thought, as in ‘energy can neither be created or destroyed, it can only change form’. And secondly it doesn’t mention how the body uses the energy released from the conversion to co2 and h2o. It seems unlikely that 10kg of fat would equate to exactly 10kg of co2 and h20 even allowing for the different energy levels stored in the fat compared to the water and co2. Any thoughts?

Hi Cinque
I agree with everything you say. My issue with the article is that it might have been better named “what happens to the waste products resulting from fat metabolisation when we lose weight”. And I still have difficulty believing that the waste from 10kg of metabolised fat is 10kg of co2 and water. I would have expected a mass less than 10kg when you deduct the energy extracted by the body. But granted I am no expert and will happily bow to superior knowledge.

Hi Notascoobie (I enjoyed your choice of moniker)

In response to your expectation that the weight of the end products should be less than the weight of the inputs – because of the energy released:

My (rudimentary) understanding is that any weight loss of the atoms associated with energy release cannot be practically measured by us. Why? It is way, way, way, way too small. The short explanation is that WW2 Hiroshima indicates the amount of energy releasable from the weight of an atom.

See Einstein’s equation E=MC². That is E (energy) is equal to M (mass) times C (the speed of light) squared.

So the relatively miniscule amounts of energy released in any chemical (as compared to nuclear) reactions have even more insignificant (i.e. unmeasurable) effects on the weight of chemical products from input to output – and conservation of weight of matter would hold.

Cinque: This is all very fascinating! I never thought about where the fat went after we exercised and lost the weight. I just thought of fat being energy and if I used it up, I would lose weight. Never gave it any further thought! Now I know that getting out there and sweating is good on more than one level! Thanks! 🙂

The energy we are discussing here is related to the chemical bonds *between* the atoms in your fat molecules (or sugar or whatever). As stated above no mass is ever gained or lost in these processes. Typical bonds in sugar and fat molecules are weak (low energy), but all atoms want to form stronger bonds (high energy) like in water or CO2 molecules, and it is this difference in bond energy that is released when fat is ‘burned’.

This is different to your good old e=mc2 energy/mass which is related to the interactions between protons and neutrons *inside* the atom’s nucleus. The reason that mass changes in nuclear reactions is that the atom’s nucleus actually weighs less than the sum of all the masses of the protons and neutrons in it. The missing ‘mass defect’ is equivalent to a certain amount of energy (because of e=mc2) which is called the ‘nuclear binding energy’, which was used to stick all the protons and neutrons together. It is part of this nuclear binding energy that is released as energy during a fission or fusion reaction, which is a million times more energetic than a chemical reaction.

The initial question was – “when we lose Wright, where does it go”
Apologies for not reading all the pseudo science gullible faddy nonsense, but if you lose weight, you can body analyse and if your weight is down and your muscle mass is not impacted too much – then carry on my dears!
You are allowed to be discerning in what you post 🙂

I always did believe it was magic. I don’t really care where it goes, as long as it’s no longer on my hips or butt! 😁

More research coming in on the benefits of intermittent fasting.
This one claims you get some health benefits even if you don’t get the weight loss, but you should avoid taking Vitamin Cs and Es while fasting.

I can’t imagine why the study asked the participants to eat so much on the non-fast days – maybe so they could tell the difference between the benefits of weight loss v the benefits of intermittent fasting, even without weight loss.

https://www.sciencealert.com/doing-the-5-2-diet-avoid-antioxidants-new-research-suggests

Interesting. Longo in the longevity diet suggests substantial doses of vitamin C at quite wide intervals in the period between fasts.

Hi there,

New to the community, so forgive me if the information is a repeat.

There was an interesting article in popular science:
https://www.popsci.com/intermittent-fasting-science#page-4

and linked to it an article that as it claims it is not a meta-review as studies cannot be combined but is an overview of what is out there and even the fastdiet book is mentioned.

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-nutr-071816-064634

The study was done by the Univerity of California in San Diego.

Apparently studies are not conclusive.

FastLeo

@onlyhermes – I’m impressed with Dr. Harcombe’s blog. Thanks for posting the link.

Cinque. I am giving the dark chocolate idea a serious try. The study on fitness apps matches similar studies here. The free app that came with my iphone can describe my afternoon walk as anything between 2 and 5 miles.

I agree that most apps are nothing but an effort in marketing but I LOVE my Lifesum app to help me track what I eat and my Happy Scale app to help me track my weight. It’s just anecdotal but those 2 apps are definitely helping me reach my goal.

Now about dark chocolate… that’s great news!! 😀