Cholesterol – The Medical Industry may have it all wrong.

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NigelWaring

11:18 pm
26 Oct 13
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I’ve read a few articles on this theme but a recent Australian TV program explains it all very well. Cholesterol may not be the killer, it could be something else.

Here’s a couple of links to the program, I hope they will work outside of Australia.

KimG

12:35 am
27 Oct 13
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Have you read David Gillespie’s book Big Fat Lies? I’m pretty sure it is in that book that he says the same thing. Very thought provoking reading.

wiltldnrUSA

12:56 am
27 Oct 13
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NigelWaring

welcome back!

i can’t wait 4 that show 2 come 2 the usa

or mayb u can get a link 🙂

however,

this talks exactly on what ur topic titled

would luv ur opinion

it really explains what diets/foods have caused such diseases as well as what will keep us away from those diseases

The Aetiology of Obesity Part 6 of 6: Dietary Villains – Fat Phobia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y

i’m still watching all others not done yet

http://www.youtube.com/user/drjasonfung?feature=watch

happy 6/1 & the fdl (fastday lifestyle) 😀

u still r a 6/1?

lizard4mi

3:34 am
27 Oct 13
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The program is available on YouTube –
“Heart of the Matter Part 1 – Dietary Villains”
http://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrDVf-00w5gk%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&h=VAQGQrX6k&s=1

The Australian Heart Foundation has gone into meltdown due to criticism of their dietary recommendations and heart healthy product “tick” program following airing of this program. A recent program titled “Toxic Sugar” is also on You Tube and next week’s episode will focus on statins – both required viewing!

MarkNZ

3:51 am
27 Oct 13
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Program also available via @ABCTV_Australia:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/heartofthematter/#
Thanks for sharing.

Tomorrow

7:16 am
27 Oct 13
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MarkNZ, thanks for the ABC link, which worked for me, when the youtube link didn’t. Fascinating. It would be great to have access to the future programmes in this series.

From a personal perspective, all sorts of thoughts occur to me. My mum was a fan of Prof Yudkin in the 1950s, yet here we are nearly 60 years later, apparently lost in a toxic smog of confusion and vested interests. I studied/worked in medicine from the 1960s to 90s. I currently take medication for high blood pressure, and I’m on a statin. AAAARGH. I was writing a few weeks ago on this forum about medical & especially nutritional dogma being so powerful, so insistent, and so liable to change, i.e. to appear to have been misleading us after all.

I wish we all had access to IGF-1 data, if that is as it seems a really valuable measure. A detail for me personally is that when I had my lipids checked a few days after a 4 day fast in February there didn’t seem to be any change. Just now, I’m early in what may turn out to be a longish (water only) fast, maybe 48 hours or so.

As I’ve said before on the forum, I don’t feel that at 63 I have the luxury of time to try to recoup damage that I might be doing by following what turns out to be flawed advice. I don’t follow a low fat diet, in part because of my understanding that fat in diet is important for satiety. Let’s hope that people of clear thinking and good will like Michael Mosley can help us all find our way out of the ‘smog.’ Thanks everyone for your efforts and your sharing, R

wiltldnrUSA

6:49 pm
27 Oct 13
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MarkNZ

thanks

NigelWaring

11:01 am
28 Oct 13
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I might have forgotten to include the links to that show, here they are:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3876219.htm

Below the above there’s also a full transcript of the program

If you cannot view that you can download the program as an MP4 below

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/vodcast/default.htm

MarkNZ

5:21 pm
31 Oct 13
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Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

nanski

8:52 pm
31 Oct 13
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New here. Because of high BP even though my cholesterol was good, was put on statins…gained 12kgs in no time at all while trying (no chance) to lose weight. Not good for an overweight constant dieter. Terrible muscle and joint pain. Made the decision to stop taking the drugs…have lost 6 kgs but still struggling…seesm so counter-productive to me when we are constantly warned about overweight & heart disease…I am not the only one with this fatty result from statins…pain went almost immediately. Have done one fast day & feel wonderful. Wish I had heard about this sooner.

wiltldnrUSA

11:32 pm
31 Oct 13
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nanski

hi& welcome

statins i no longer will use

due 2

refused statins
because my dr who prescribed them
asked me a terrifying question after taking them

& after being checked 6 months later he asked if i was an alcoholic & i said i don’t drink @ all. he said my liver looks like u r one”
i said take me off this ugh
i now take 2 niacins @ night & 1 magnesium a day based on my research & now approved by dr
liver is great now!

since u r new u might like

everything a newbie might want 2 c, use & read
　　　　　　　　　
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/everything-a-newbie-might-want-2-c-use-read/

also on this forum we have one where u do not have 2 b a diabetic but we all have been struggling w/ weight high blood pressure etc

ur welcome 2 post ur story

reversing type 2 diabetes & the fastday lifestyle

http://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/reversing-type-2-diabetes-the-fastday-lifestyle/page/7/#post-15607

we now r in2 this dr who believes in fasting & really explains why we r overweight
it is not our fault

enjoy

The Aetiology of Obesity Part 1 of 6: A New Hope
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0&list=TLh_v240JSYBSM_dYl1QTbu5Ko9riryZ9s
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 2 of 6: The New Science of Diabesity
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dimP7IdM2Og&list=TLqRqUad1bekCjDL66Y6HWPbAhsyBoVeBt
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 3 of 6: Trial by Diet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnshVO4PRM&list=TLS3LD7vDk0J4oR-ATWOXKj1fldC8mWkKR
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 4 of 6: The Fast Solution
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG89j432w-Y&list=TLySn0eCWlFY9knr1KIEVevZPrt664X1c0
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 5 of 6: Diet and Disease
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yoOx_7MLn0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 6 of 6: Dietary Villains – Fat Phobia
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y&list=TLx-qDz6JW2_6LS81Z9-jCJEQGJZqQuv5A
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
Insulin Toxicity and How to Cure Diabetes
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZ4UqtbB_g
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
Dietary Villains – Part 2: Salt Scare
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGrUwE8zpY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoyL4iGArWn5Hu0V_sAhK2w

& worth repeating

part 1 The Real Cause of Heart Disease
October 25 16:24 in Failed low fat diets, Heart Disease, Saturated fat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDVf-00w5gk

have not watched this one below yet

Part 2 of ABC’s Heart of the Matter series – ‘Cholesterol Drug War’ is now online:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

wish u success

happy nonfastdays & fastdays & 5/2 & 4/3 & 6/1 & adf or 4/2/1 or 3/3/1 or 5/1/1 or adf w/1 & the fdl (fastday lifestyle) 😀
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　

alex10

1:25 am
1 Nov 13
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Hi NigelWaring,

Thank you for your informative posts.

I am not sure how to do a private message. Can you please let me know which GP allows the IGF-1 test in North Sydney as I am in that area too.

Thanks

nanski

10:49 pm
1 Nov 13
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Thank you so very much for the link to the ABC Catalyst programme, MarkNZ. We just watched both parts. After I began having severe side effects & stopped the drug, my husband (late 70’s) who was also on simvastatin,continued taking it. He began experiencing a really chronic inability to find words for simple everyday objects.I researched & found much anecdotal evidence to support our idea that this could be a side effect & not the onset of dementia..within a few days of stopping the drug the words returned. I have been pressured into “trying a different” statin but just refused. The programmes vindicated our decision. Thank you again. Wish we had the ABC here in NZ.

MarkNZ

7:24 pm
2 Nov 13
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glad to share the links nanski. it would be interesting to get a reaction to these from Michael or Mimi also … unfortunately they haven’t posted any comments on this site for 3 months. not only that, the latest ‘science in the news’ was on Feb 22…

nanski

12:02 am
3 Nov 13
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The 3 programmes on BBC Knowledge (The Men who Made Us Fat) last month seemed to agree with Catalyst reg. animal fats vs. sugar/high fructose corn syrup, so there must be a good correlation…mind you, there is always a new “fashion” in dietary advice..guess we should all heed our Victorian forebears…”moderation in everything” though I feel we have been sabotaged by the food industry over the years. Never too late to fix it I hope.

MarkNZ

8:52 am
6 Nov 13
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a reaction to the ABC Catalyst programmes (see above):

ABC report could cause death, says ABC health specialist
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-report-could-cause-death-says-abc-health-specialist-20131104-2wx3n.html